Topic: Ballon d'Or discussion and odds - page 13. (Read 3824 times)

Talking about eras, I know that there was a year when Messi didn't deserve to win the Ballon D'or. I myself have said that in the era of rivalry between the two players, what the world was highlighting at that time was the two of them. Sorry if you think I'm a Messi fan.


Although if we talk about FIFA then I think Messi will be nominated and even win the award again. I think you know what I mean. But for me Haaland is more deserving of the Ballon D'Or this year. His performance with City was very impressive. And he's still young too. So as you have said, this will certainly motivate other young players.

I agree with this discussion and indeed players like Messi, Ronaldo or Lewandowski are star players who can bring popularity to the world of football so far but to be able to have someone who deserves to win the most prestigious individual title Ballon d'Or then they have to step down and FIFA should start now this gives young players the opportunity to win this title.
With young players succeeding in winning the Ballon d'Or more and more other young players will flock to continue to improve their playing skills so they can also have the same opportunity.

A little feedback if only Haaland and Mbappe were the strongest candidates to win the Ballon d'Or then I would fully support Haaland as the winner of this title because even though Haaland has never participated in winning the World Cup at least he played very well and even managed to surpass other top senior players.

I don't think Messi will win the Ballon d'Or because he won the World Cup. If he wins this time, I will question what is behind it. I think too it's definitely time for players like Halaand, Osimhen and Lewandowski. Ronaldo and Messi are already old and playing in non-competitive leagues. It is necessary to choose from highly successful players from European leagues. I'm not a fan of anyone, but I think Haaland deserves this award last season.

The fact that Messi stole from Lewandowski is normal - after all, he is a competitor in every sense, there is nothing to be ashamed of (except for the fact of theft itself). What makes me laugh more is the piquancy of the situation where Messi robbed his teammates - Xavi and Iniesta, and the fanboys easily justify this 

Hahahaha!!!!. We might later discover that Sepp Blatter received kickballs from Lionel Messi. The Swiss was so corrupt that he was disgraced out of FIFA. However, it seems that there is still some corruption ongoing within the organizer of the Ballon d’Or. The 2021 award that was won by the Argentine was fraudulent. A German newspaper called a scandal and the organizers received widespread criticism. Even a child knows that Messi didn't deserve the award because Robert Lewandowski's performance was far better. But the German striker was robbed of a golden opportunity to be the world's best and I doubt if he would have such privilege again.

Messi won the World Cup and so what? He doesn't deserve to win the Ballon d’Or again in his lifetime. He is no longer playing active club football because the US league is a jamboree. This is the time of Erling Haaland, Kylian Mbappe, Vinicius Jr., and Victor Osimhen.

Obviously he's a Messi fan, who's not happy when his role model win something a sexy or huge achievement?

Although I hate Messi because he's treat unfairly by FIFA, but it's not mean I'm a Ronaldo fan. After all I just want the right person get the right reward, it's a big joke to see a good reward is rewarded to wrong person.

Remember this, when Ronaldo is joined Saudi Pro League aka not competitive league, he's not included in Ballon d'Or nomination. However Messi is joined MLS aka not competitive league too, but I 100% believe he will be one of nomination in the next Ballon d'Or.

Are you from some sect? Or you were banned from Wiki and you cannot see that during the period 2008-2012 Xavi and Iniesta won 2 European Championships plus the World Cup. During this period, Messi failed at the World Cup and was not successful at the Copa America. At the club level they had the same achievements (you know that they played in the same team?) so it is undeniable that Xavi and Iniesta were >>> than Messi during this period, but Messi received 4 Ballon d'Or and they got zero.
Messi is just the son of the bastard corrupt official Blatter and that says it all.

I won't explain why Messi received those golden balls. Messi surpassed Xavi, Iniesta, and even his rival Ronaldo to receive the Golden Ball in those years continuously. This is fair, and there will be no bias here. People are skeptical because he has so many Golden Ball titles in his career. Even the recent World Cup championship was the focus of everyone's discussion.
Even though he moved to Inter Miami this summer, Messi is still a strong candidate for the 2023 Golden Ball title. If he continues to hold this title, I'm curious to see what other stories the media will come up with.

Apparently you are far from football or haven’t seen it carefully 
No one will probably argue about the era (although there is an obvious question about the boundaries of this era), but if we are talking about separate years, then many football players could qualify for the Ballon d'Or . For example, in 2010, besides Xavi and Iniesta, about whom I already wrote, such football players were Sneijder and Forlan (I’m sure few people will remember why, haha, because people are guided by what the TV tells them).

What I can say is that from 2008 - 2017 was the era of Messi and Ronaldo's rivalry. I think this was a bias so that at that time people only saw 2 people as great players who deserved to win the Ballon d'Or. At that time they both dominated the world of football statistically. That period was also a period of rivalry between the two of them. I think that's what made the Ballon d'Or in that era only have the names of 2 players.

This is all true what you said, but I think we have a problem with the fine line here that should be drawn between performance and titles. If we overvalue the weight of titles for this award, Haaland will never win a European Championship and never win a World Cup, but that should not prevent him from winning this award as this doesn't say much about his individual strength and performance as a player. Then again it feels kind of normal to include titles and the World Cup is the biggest title one can win. But here is the problem: I really don't know what to think of Mbappe winning Ligue 1 with PSG. I agree that Mbappe is definitely one of the best three players in the world. For me there is no doubt, but it was also his choice to play some soccer in an inferior league with a massively financially ballooned PSG agains the rest of the country. I don't know, it is not easy.

Haaland would never be a wrong choice as he his down to earth, modest, very authentic and hard working and most important, incredibly successful. Messi is still the best in terms of precision and passing accuracy, understanding of the game dynamics, changing the game dynamics however he wishes, and smartly scoring. He doesn't use force, which I really like.

I also think that Kevin De Bruyne is one of the best midfielders ever to play this game.

I'm already tired of listening to tales about the World Cup and its importance 
Maybe you can explain to me how Xavi and Iniesta, who won the 2010 World Cup (where Messi completely failed - zero goals and zero assists) did not receive the Ballon d'Or?  And in addition to this, Xavi and Iniesta won the European Championship in 2008 and 2012. But Messi (who was unsuccessful at the 2011 Copa America) received four Ballon d'Ors.

I honestly don't understand the criteria they have used to award these awards, but in my opinion it's time to retire Messi and Ronaldo from these awards and focus on other players like Mbappe and Haaland, the contributions Mbappe made to France are very visible. World Cup and at PSG, he is without a doubt a very talented player, but it seems that Messi will not be dethroned yet, and when I talk about dethroned I am referring to not putting him on that list. the guy has already won everything and now he's playing on a team without much relevance and yet the guy still appears on these lists. This way, new generation players won't be motivated

Just look at the fact that for more than 5 years, Ronaldo and Messi have monopolized these big prizes and the attention of the news channels, even if another player appears and wins something, not much attention is given, it was necessary for Messi and Ronaldo to go to lower teams quality for them to reduce the attention of sports news channels a little, now they also no longer appear on these individual award lists, the guys must retire and make way for new players. It's true that there won't be a competitive duo like Messi and Ronaldo anytime soon.

I see that Karin Benzema could also win an individual award, but the fact that he didn't play in the World Cup and Real Madrid didn't manage to win something must weigh heavily on him not winning, I also don't see Vinicus winning anything. That's why Messi and Haaland are the most likely winners

I believe this selection will be closer than ever before and I am not sure whether Haaland is yet able to take that award away from Messi. But if I was asked to vote, I think on an individual level Haaland had the more impressive total performance and it is somehow unfair but also comprehensible when the World Cup ultimately counts more than the treble. I think it is a difficult decision and I am looking forward to that result. The World Cup was also the final chapter of the Messi fairytale, which could also have some meaning for those who are eligible to vote. They might think that it is no issue if Haaland gets it sometime later.

Well I don't know how this would be tough to choose because if am not mistaking this particular award has been given to your so called GOAT  even in most years that it was very clear he didn't even deserved it so why would this year be any different I mean he won the number one trophy every player in his career have strived for which is the well decorated world cup.

It is true that the biggest difference that stands out only in the golden trophy that Lionel Messi gets with Agentina, this is enough thing that is difficult to get for Haaland, because after all the team is big in the process of getting it.

But the achievement of the trophy in my opinion is not the only benchmark, many other assessments that might be able to cover the shortcomings possessed by Haaland, who knows for this season has a different criterion in his assessment, even though I am also not sure.

Ballon d'Or would be awarded to the best player in the world of football currently. Erling Haaland and Leo Messi are in the picture interms of goals and performance put in winning significant trophies. Erling Haaland made quite a brilliant performance in his first season at Etihad Stadium, winning a treble with Manchester City but all these trophies are based on club levels while the undisputed GOAT won his first World Cup and also lifting a memorable trophy with his new club, Inter Miami making him the most decorated player in football history. However it would tough to choose the winner of this year Ballon d'Or.

Haalad won three precious trophy last season, but Messi won the golden trophy which is the world cup. This has made him to be superior to Haalad in their achievement. This is the reason why Messi will win it. We all knew that apart from the world cup, Messi didn't put in a good performance in the European leagues.

Haalad performance in all leagues was superb but he wasn't able to do this in the world cup because his country didn't make it. I think that this will be the last Ballon'd 'or for Messi and this is the reason why Haalad should continue with his excellent performance so that he can win it next time, since the world cup wouldn't be used as a criterion.

Talking about this, whether it's a coincidence or not, the strong candidates for winning the Ballon D'or in the year after the world cup are key players from the national team that won the world cup. In 2002 Ronaldo Nazario won the Ballon d'Or even though in that year I thought Roberto Carlos was more worthy. In 2006 Cannavaro won the Ballon d'Or even though it is very rare for a defender to win in modern football.
So even though City won the treble, the influence of the World Cup is still very strong in influencing the value of the Ballon d'Or.

You might think it's disrespectful, I also agree about that, but that's the reality. No matter how good you're and your contribution in football, Messi will win if he win something in international.

Well, that's different because Messi's popularity and Iniesta's popularity aren't same.

When Messi win something, there are 480 Millions people will talk about him, posting about him and celebrate it. But when Iniesta is win, there are only 40 Millions people do that, so the power of Messi is way more higher.

*The numbers come from their's Instagram followers.