Topic: BalloonBit.com | Provably Fair | 1% House Edge | Original gambling game - page 7. (Read 16545 times)

With magical thinking like that you need to be doing something other than running a gambling site. If you keep reading so much into simple coincidences it will drive you crazy. It's stressful enough running a site when you're sane.

I put off chat finishing considering that to tell you the truth  is more important that other people do not fall into this trap as we did.

   The truth about Dooglus and his pawn Arrogant.
I did not tell you about their actions initially, but that others do not fall for their divorce, I'll tell you about it.
I'll start from beginning. It all began with first Arrogant's PM to me where he said about his site http://bitcoingambling.reviews and he will add a review about my website if I'll pay him some BTC. (That like the honest reviewers works in Bitcoin world) Advertise advertise, so i have paid to him. He gave us big rating (I think he do to everyone like this) I've asked to gave us some more rates for some more bitcoins, he agreed and gave us the biggest score. 5 minutes later I see my ratings fall down. Only on our site appears overview as once there Dooglus appear with his opinion and destroys our rates. Here I will explain a little bit how they work: Arrogant offers high scores for some BTC, then comes Dooglus and rates falls down, No one warns you about how the system of rates works. (In my thread Dooglus left a message which asks how such an rates for my site, and if it is not send me some BTC, where he knows everything? I repeat you that 5 minutes there was big rates, and then Dooglus come, this is their first fraud for money. Do you think that's a coincidence? Ok, lets go next).
 We begin to argue with Douglas about his rate about site (me know we are not cheating and we are not going to do it, Dooglus it understands, but still tells us that we are dishonest because at the moment we have no Provably Fair). We are very interested in Provably Fair system so we have started do design our own. Dooglus constantly pours us in mud, until we do it (apparently to hasten us to quickly grab a piece of pie).
 You see my English so I've asked Arrogant to help us with texts on site (for lot of BTC of course). With lot of texts there comes text about Provably Fair system, and being such an experienced person in gambling he could not not to notice our mistake, being Dooglus friend he could not not to notice our mistake because of lots of gambling site made it. I'm sure he knew about our mistake even before we opened it and working on me was to prevent this. But apparently Dooglus asked not to do so because of his next move.
 So, we are adding mistaken Provably Fair system and there immediately comes a deposit from Dooglus. (he saw a mistake, he decided not to warn us about it immediately, but it still could be warned by Arrogant, he decided to use the bug to make 10 BTC from 0.1). After that happens he PM me with screens and ask for BTC for that bug. I realize now that I had to do how most of "honesty" people do to say thank you man, or worse accuse him of cheating and to ban. But but I decide to act according to conscience and gave him as much as he asked. At that time we only had a little over 10 BTC and that 1 BTC was a big blow for us.
And so, for what he received the money? For cheating? Not of course. For bug finding? No, for bug, that could be found by everyone he deserved the maximum 0.2 BTC. He received his money for silence and only for this we gave him the money. And what he do immediately after receiving the money? Сertainly tells all about our mistakes. So even at this moment we have the right to cancel our gift but we did not do that. If his purpose would not be selfish, and he sincerely wanted to help, he would not tell anyone about this, and even better warned about our mistake before we did it. But we see how he decided to do.
Going next. He withdrew some BTC although saying that will only play on them (honesty of that man just rolls) but not in this case, look at what's next. About a day ago I have learned about Dooglus has his own gambling site and that he is also our competitor. Then I begin to guess why all this happened and begin to take their measures. Seeing only what remains my site from Dooglus is a chat, I hastened to add chat to my site and then what am I doing.

I wrote a PM to Arrogant where asked him about my ratings on his site. For now my site is Provably Fair has chat, and Dooglus rate is unfair for that moment. Realizing that Arrogant is Dooglus pawn and that Dooglus will not change his ratings (although to be honest it has long had to do so after understood there is no cheating on my site), and only one thing Dooglus could do what else would even he do to stop us is to withdraw his last money from the balance on my site. So I have changed withdraw rules as chat was added (before PMing Arrogant). It takes about 5 minutes after PM to Arrogant and Dooglus withdrew his money. And what do you think this is also a coincidence? They are both  are trying to spoil by all the ways. And after all this we still have to pay a competitor. I do not know where does this world, but it hurts me to watch that on your forum such people are in great authority.
I realized that only yesterday when I started this conversation. Who needs proof and private messages please PM me, I can not do as these dishonest people and advertise the privates. I am sorry for my english..,

Shame - this turned ugly pretty fast.

I agree - however I get the feeling that balloonbit is not a big time casino investor with a full team. I have a feeling he is a small mom and pop store - a house run business - and I applaud that for him making a site that CAN go mainstream.

He has done good work - just needs to learn better english maybe and also remain calm as arrogant is apparently not mad over not winning his 10 BTC. So if he isn't angry, balloonbit shouldn't be either. But if I were small time casino and my bankroll was only 10BTC and I had someone win 10BTC - even if they gave it back, I'd still have adrenaline in my system and not able to think str8.

You guys are right - wait 24 hours then talk again. Cheers!

Learn fucking english. Most people gambling here are American who can't gamble freely in the U.S.

Dooglus helped you, arrogant probably took advantage of the site, they are not related to one another.

Honestly, casinos make enough. If you program the site and you leave a vulnerability its YOUR fault. Not anyone else's. I see no reason as to why Arrogant should be in trouble here if he took advantage of such a flaw, its again YOUR fault. You created the site, not him. Dooglus did the honorable thing but fuck that, if I found a vulnerability I would exploit it to the max. Half of the casinos around here are rigged server seed providing games and make enough off users. For a player to run the house for once, I fully applaud.

Arrogant account is banned, dooglus has not yet been banned, will see. Really have no time for this now, please understand. Closed chat dont costs anything.

There was no private, after we added 1 BTC to your balance you  immediately discovered about our mistake to everyone, realizing how this blow to our reputation, and that in difficult economic time it will make it worse, so that about any helping could not being any talk

I replied to your PM as soon as I saw it. I saw it when you pointed it out with this message:


I don't check my PM inbox constantly!

And I'm not frightened. I've not cheated you or anyone else, so what do I have to fear? You'll make up some crap story and nobody will believe you.

Message from dooglus only after I told I seen through their cheating. He knows what I mean and he's frightened for. Please give me time till tomorrow and all you will see I'm talking about. There will be lot of words and I have no time for that with my english. I have lot of problems with our chat and I'm fixing it.

I found a way of cheating. I used it to win 10 BTC. I didn't withdraw the 10 BTC. I PM'ed the owner and told him how I did it. He shut down the site, fixed the problem, took the 10 BTC back, agreed to pay me 1 BTC for my help, and reopened the site.


If you don't know how to break security, you can't make a secure site. Yin and yang as you say.


Good suggestion. There's no need for all this name-calling and threats. I just want what's owed to me.

Edit: I just checked my private messages. I replied to the first one agreeing to talk privately, but apparently it's too late for that, and he has decided he is indeed going to go ahead and ruin his reputation over this bug bounty...



I said I'd wait 24 hours before posting the negative feedback, and I will. I keep my word.

It will be interesting to see this "proof" he's threatening me with. I call his bluff.

Maybe he is not a rich website developer yet - 10BTC is a lot of money. Anyone would be afraid to lose that. Perhaps that is why he reacted that way.

If you discovered an exploit and showed it to him, and you had no intention of withdrawing because you KNEW it was via an exploit, then fair game. I hope you didn't find a way to hack the site, but then again maybe you did and it was for good intention.

Allow me to tell you all a story - a week or two ago, a bitcoin gambling site known as Dragon't Tale was hacked for 50 bitcoins. FIFTY! Not gambled, straight up hacked. Ironically, the hacker gave the bitcoins back the very same day. He claimed he was from anonymous and was just helping them to update security.

There are good hackers in the world who will try to protect people who are doing good - especially anyone in the bitcoin community. So why did they learn to hack? I don't know, maybe to fight the government - or chase down scammers - obviously the Dark-net and many bitcoin places are full of anonymous members. Good and evil hackers - it's all yin and yang everywhere don't you see?

Everyone needs to calm down and work together here - we are all brothers and sisters.

Don't let the internet be your shield - imagine this person is in the same room with you.

I don't want to see any of my friends on bitcointalk get negative feedback. And the site is beautiful. I myself have won 5 bitmil off 1 bitmil.


Everyone remain calm and lets reach a resolution without anyone getting hurt ok? If I had legitimately won 10 bitcoins, I'd hate to see them go because the site suspected me of luck. So lets get honest versions of our stories please?

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remind you as you asked Bitcoins  for review site and agreed to put a very high score for a large payment, without warning about the assessment system, and then immediately estimate falls due dooglus rates.
I'm sorry but I'm not having time for you, wait until tomorrow to revelations.

It's really beyond me what you are on about, I've done nothing but help you improve your attempt at a site. Also from what I saw dooglus did the same by helping you fix HUGE site bugs.
You seem to misconstrue most things from what I see. Maybe attempt to understand better, but false accusations and lies are definitely not a way to go about things.

I just saw your PM and have now replied to it.

And I'm not together with Arrogant. We're just good friends.


I don't know what you're talking about. I found an exploit in your provable fairness implementation, used it to win 10 BTC, then reported it to you without withdrawing anything. You fixed it, and took the 10 BTC out of my balance. Is that "cheating"?

Edit: I guess you're referring to this?



I'm nothing to do with whatever is going on in the chat. When I tried it the chat wasn't updating at all and was causing a page reload if you hit return so I stopped trying to use it.

Dooglus and Arrogant are cheaters, give us some time to fix problems and after that I'll post revealing post here and will prove to everyone that they are tricksters, including some PMs to our account in which they cheated us on BTC.

Ive PMed him to talk about that problem private he did not answered me, so that it is not the first time he advertise our problems out and instead of helping us get from him only problems, so and after arrogant tried to break into our chat (I know they are together, who needs proof pm me)
 So I decide that he does not deserve any gifts from us, the topic is closed.