Topic: [Ban Appeal] bill gator - page 3. (Read 2813 times)

Shocking. Some one speaks up about systemic abuse and magically some one finds a reason to ban him among other punitive acts. This forum is devolving into disgusting stazi like tactics. Show me the man I will find you the crime.

Bill Gator is the classic example of quick-reputation farming:
1) Quick and little paypal trades.
2) Quick and pajeet collectible purchases.

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Both of these are worth zero in my eyes. It is clear that this is the right method to farm trust and it seems that I have to slap many members over and over again due to their practices. Had I more time, I'd run an experiment: Create a new alt, forcibly make decent posts, rush into PP && minor collectibles deals. I'm certain I could get more than 100 trust under a year, probably a lot more with so many DT members now. The enablers are somewhat guilty in case someone managed to scam due to such trust ratings.

You got the attention of that group thanks for critical Thread and posts.

They instantly digged in your past to find something to punish you for that.Thats the reality.You got now punished and your account destroyed for talking up against them.

If i remember right it was suchmoon who very often quickly digged these kind of old shits against people who started to post against them.

I remember suchmoon claiming to not have digged into someones history from 2014 to get him punished because of a dispute and later had to approve that it was her but it wasn't because of that dispute.


Its a clear punishment against you for talking up against them which you can instantly see that only these fucking abusers are upholding this nonsense and defending it.

Don't try to feed your boss through feeding bottle, it will cause you having a hard slap on your face, or a kick in your ass.
Trying to sell this story to being proved innocent? This forum is full of stupid who don't penalize the actual criminal. Always this stupid go after the people who traded merit, abused bounty, asked for no collateral loan, posted bullshit, I don't trust because of X is Y which has almost nothing with scam.

It's not about 2015-16, bill gator is a DT-1 member. How come you do support a purchased account to be in DT-1? And how he did get rid of your red tag? The typical account trader is thousand time less riskier than account like this.
See the intention of bill gator. He has used this account to buy the reputation. It was easy to scam a huge amount of money by him. And I'm damn sure that's what the intention of this stupid.
Who is more dangerous? Someone who asked you to go first? Or someone who bought an account and build the reputation?
I used to think The Pharmacist as one of the honest dude here.

I don't see any point to appeal temp ban, people's should say thanks to theymos for second chances. Sorry, @bill gator I can't support your ban appeal thread due to bought account. I realized that how hard build a account after implement merit system. And your story isn't going to help unban you. You are just getting negative feedback's by exposing yourself.

Overall as a self made forum member, I don't like any bitcointalk account dealers.

Tagging account seller totally depend on you, no one forcing you. But your statement if very confusing sometimes. For few traders you introduce yourself very strict, for some traders you introduce yourself very very soft.

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However, there is multiple mistakes occurred by OP. First thing is bought account. Second thing is, there was wave of plagiarism ban but you didn't bothered to recheck your profile. I don't think it will help for unban by prove bought account. Forum ban a person, and you are the one who is owner of this account.

Plagiarism was neither explicitly against the rules when he bought the account nor was it a known problem. He should have known not to plagiarize himself (by all accounts he did not), but I don't think he had any reason to believe others were plagiarizing.

I don’t think he had any reasonable reason to check for plagiarism when he bought it, and I don’t think any of the tools that checked post quality would look into potential plagiarism.

As previously stated, if account buyers are going to be held responsible for the actions of prior owners, account sales might as well be disallowed.

When I created my account here, I see bill gator already active in the forum especially in the meta and he gained many merits already. I thought he is like other reputable members out there but he has also did break the rules .

I think what the admins did is right that he is punished by temp ban since he did break the rules. He already said that he bought that account which is not allowed here. Whatever the old owner did will be passed to its new owner. If the old owner plagiarized before selling it then it will be passed to the new owner.

In this case, this is like case solve because of what the OP has posted. No need for a ban appeal I think.

OMG, I was talking about 2 users ban and thought these were not perfect for them. Now this is the reality. I wouldn't support any of these types ban appeal.

Regardless if you were not the owner at that time, that account you are holding still plagiarized which is against the forum rules. Again, we are talking here about the entirety of the ACCOUNT and not the present nor the past user.


Dude you just dug your own grave with that statement. You should have at least accepted the consequences and lived with it. Lots of users in the forum are getting PERMANENTLY banned from plagiarizing content and the moderators are already lenient with your case. You just made everything worse to be honest.

Although I do agree with the ban given to bill, I don't agree with the feedback that he has received recently on his account. I don't agree with buying accounts necessarily, but bill should be kept as an exception as he's proven that he can be trusted. Account buying/selling is definitely a questionable and disagreeable practice, but bill's intentions are clearly unlike other account buyers and sellers.

It's unfortunate that this happened, if bill is telling the truth then I believe his trust ratings are too extreme for this situation; a ban is enough. In my opinion, bill should be responsible for anything related to the account he bought, but he shouldn't suffer any consequences if he's telling the truth about his origins coming to this forum.

Overall its a tough situation to be in, especially with all this hate. I would've thought people would be more supportive and less hostile.

As far as I know, there is no leniency given for the, "my account was hacked, I bought the account, it was my brother on my account, etc etc" excuses. It may well be valid, but its far easier for the staff to just say, take care of your account, rather than taking on the duty of spending days playing detective to help out the 1 in 1000 that have a legitimate claim. Back when account buying/selling was a bit more acceptable, before account farmers became the nuisance they are today, checking over an account's posts was something everyone did before buying an account. If I recall, there was even a price tool that would tell you the quality of an account's posts and its value. That burden was always on the buyer, so maybe I'm not as sympathetic as I could be on the matter. Regardless, asking the moderators to cut you some slack is just going to result in tons of spammers asking for forgiveness with bogus reasons, so I can't see anyone wanting to set that precedent.

On a side note... there are three, maybe four on topic posts in this thread. This is getting pitiful, make your own thread if you want to take part in a circle jerk. Whether you like Bill or not, they made a real post asking a question, its not like a thread in off topic about some random nonsense where no one cares if you spam.

And? Tags are no longer permanent from DT members, there has been numerous cases of negative tags being removed lately. So now that’s dealt with what other issues do you have here ?

I was genuinely surprised to find out that bill had been banned for plagiarism.  I found his posts to be wordy and contrived to the point of being monotonous, even verging on spammy, but I never would have pegged him for a plagiarist.  The excuse that the account was purchased makes perfect sense.


I have to disagree with you on this TP.  Obviously you are entitled to your opinion and you can react any way you choose, but one needs to ask why the member bought the bill gator account.  Was it because he didn't like the name he had already chosen for his account as the OP claims, or was it because he got CMAS listed for his wordy monotony?  Buying an account is cheating, plain and simple.  It's no different than buying or forging a college degree, in my opinion.  You can argue that bill has been a contributing member of the community, and makes decent, articulate posts, but it was rooted in deception.  

If it wasn't intended to deceive the community why wouldn't he have disclosed that he had purchased the account right from the start?  Why didn't he just start with a fresh account?  The answer is likely to qualify for sig and bounty campaigns in which his other account was no longer welcome.



No, bill isn't your typical sig spammer, and he did earn his way onto the most coveted campaign on the forum.  And I mean that, he earned his way onto that campaign.  It's not like he bought a great account, got accepted into chipmixer and started posting shit.  It was his own words that got him into that spot.  

I'm all in favor of being lenient on people who make mistakes early on, but the deceit he has perpetrated on the community makes me less sympathetic for his case.  Whats fair is fair: If bill can prove that he purchased the account after the post in question, then I wouldn't mind seeing his ban being lifted.  He shouldn't be punished for a crime he did not commit.  But buying an account without a public disclosure at the time is something that negates any trust I had for him.  

I don't think bill bought the account to scam anyone, if so he's very slow to build up to that.  But he's been deceptive none the less.

Well for one, lauda seems pretty hell bent on seeing that Bill Gator is tagged, regardless of what anyone else thinks. So there are the people with a similar mindset.

Why the fuck would anyone else post the op if it wasn’t the wordsmith himself? And hypothetically if your story of it not being bill turned out to be correct I would move my tag and any other DT member would do the same as long as we were presented with OBSERVABLE PROOF.

There is literally zero proof the OP is an alt of Bill Gator.

Everything he posted is public information. I am not sure if those getting bans are receiving any kind of notification of the post found to have plagiarized, but many people opening ban appeal threads appear to not know what specific post of theirs was caught. However in the OP's case, he knew exactly what post he copied, even though he is not the one who wrote the post. He also says he will not reply to this thread, which is unexpected of someone in his position.

A review of the security log and Bill Gator's post history does make me believe his account was likely sold on Nov 7, 2015, as claimed in the OP. This is based on public information available to anyone. When the account was likely transferred, it only had 107 posts, and appears to be a textbook example of someone buying an account to get around the long wait times between posts.

edit: This person claims to not know what post got him banned for plagiarism (presumably) and he was banned on the 20th, while Bill Gator was banned on the 19th according to his signature. This would lead me to believe the mods are *not* telling those who are banned which of their posts were found to be plagiarized.

Woof, woof Meow, meow motherfucker.

Yawn. Anything else you got?

It's Lauda and her dogs.

You are the Napolean.
Go and read some books.

That was me, as a moderator, removing other people's ref. spam. Just when I thought that a monkey like you couldn't get any dumber.. it seems that I have been insulting monkeys all this time.

I am not sad at all and I think The Pharma is wrong this time, there are tons of other users including me that are being bombarded with red trust for the same thing bill gator did in 2015, I did it in early 2016 so the time doesn't differ much. Oh and I don't do shitposting.

This doesn't mean that this forum is not in total communism and you know what communism has in common with this forum. In a communist regime the party(DT in this case) are the ones who decide what happens to the country (forum in this case). A lot of ass lickers (so called spies or "eye of the party" in totalitarian regimes like communists) do this in order to get a job (a signature acceptance in the forum case). All others who do not agree with the party get different punishments from the lowest up to the capital death sentence (removal from campaign up to 2 year ban in the case of the forum).

By the way this Lauda fucker look at what kind of posts he was doing back then, REF SPAM removed from moderators all the time in 2016 and now comes decides the forum fate, that is fucked up to the maximum extent possible. Also named and accepted that did extortion.

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