Everybody knows what exactly self admittance of account buying means and so experienced user admitting it (when denied previously on pretext of friend), does not sound logical to me.
You seriously think that baboon gator is capable of logic? That joke isn't even amusing. His DT and "trustworthy" days are over. 
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So the spam was a problem back then, but I don't think there were any instances in which anyone who stopped spamming and started making decent posts was in any real any danger of getting banned. So if you take the premise that the OP bought the account and should have known it had a poor history, the way he could have resolved the poor history at the time would be to start making decent posts and he wouldn't be in any additional danger of a ban. Also, someone with a hundred posts (the number bill gator had when it was purchased) would generally not get permabanned as soon as discovered as it was posting garbage, it would generally receive a number of temp bans to give the opportunity to improve, so his risk at the time was he would receive a temp ban, and would need to make better posts moving forward, the later of which he did.
Plagiarism may have been common back then (IDK one way or another), but I don't think it was known to be a problem, nor known to be common.
All of this revolves around if Bill should have reasonably checked for plagiarism when he bought the account.
Plagiarism may have been common back then (IDK one way or another), but I don't think it was known to be a problem, nor known to be common.
All of this revolves around if Bill should have reasonably checked for plagiarism when he bought the account.
I would agree with your conclusion, and my opinion is that Bill should have reasonably checked for plagiarism/post quality. Im sure you recall how accounts were marketed back then, and post quality was always a factor. I remember playing with the account tool that everyone used and having it judge my post quality. While I agree that improving your post history is a good way to decrease the penalties, if you break a rule and you aren't caught you aren't punished. As soon as you get caught, you are likely to be punished. Will a moderator give you more consideration if you have 1 bad post for every 100 good? Certainly more so than someone with 10 posts with half of them being bad.
The risk as you said was that he would receive a temp ban, and he did. I'm not sure that it warrants a 60 day ban given the offense to contribution ratio, but thats if we operate under the assumption that there was only a single case of plagiarism in Bill's post history.
It is my understanding that sig spammers were generally receiving a 3 or 7 day ban for a first offense back then, not the 60 day ban plus a 2 year sig ban he received. I am also not aware of anyone receiving a ban for insubstantial posts with a paid sig well after post quality has improved.
The point is that multiple people, yourself included are tagging him based on what a one post newbie is saying without any supporting evidence. Lauda is saying he is going to have at least orange trust forever regardless of the opinion of anyone else based on the uncorroborated word of a one post newbie
Lauda is blowing smoke probably to just piss you off fella - your biting only encourages more of it. In your hypothetical story here, should the wordsmith Bill come back and prove that the OP (who has a thesaurus stuffed in every orifice) is not Bill I will happily remove my tag and will lean on Lauda to remove as well. You seem obsessed with tags so much more since OG is no longer on DT and its a bit worrying, the old dictatorship is over, DT is self governing and if a tag is unjust members of DT talk to each other and help resolve anything that is seen as incorrect by a number of people. The new system is working as you can see with OG and Bill being excluded by more senior members than included - yet you will also see that that teeGUMES is on DT as the issue with regards to Vod was handled in a respectable way.
so, "if" you are right the tags at the moment will be removed and they aren't doing any harm whilst the member in question is banned if the member does not come back and post before the ban is over we can conclude that the OP is Bill. Now to further indulge you, every fucking other person on this fucking forum can add 2+2 and see that the OP was written by the same scummy prick who bought the fucking account, weaseled his way with tiny deals to have a decent level of trust, continued to shit words out and then write a fucking essay on every post then get onto DT..
It is not possible to prove a one post newbie is not an alt of someone. It is ridiculous to suggest that someone could possibly do that.
I know bill gator and pugman from the thread A simple bitcoin Q/A. Learn new and interesting stuff about bitcoin.
Honestly this is one of the thread that helped me in my learning journey so I respect that guy for that.
I read that few people suspect that OP is not actually bill gator but it narrows down to 1 possibility only that user who reported the bill gator created the thread. Actually what surprised me that both original and plagiarized post exists
But what I see from the earlier threads that plagiarized posts are deleted.
It also look suspicious why somebody doing the appeal just want to post one post and do want to defend himself /herself?
Everybody knows what exactly self admittance of account buying means and so experienced user admitting it (when denied previously on pretext of friend), does not sound logical to me.
PS: So many edit, I do not know how it get messed up.
Honestly this is one of the thread that helped me in my learning journey so I respect that guy for that.
I read that few people suspect that OP is not actually bill gator but it narrows down to 1 possibility only that user who reported the bill gator created the thread. Actually what surprised me that both original and plagiarized post exists
The future looks pretty solid to me. Despite all the fluctuations it seems that Bitcoin market is capable of standing up and hold a steady market price which will eventually lead to large scale adoption.
The future looks pretty solid to me. Despite all the fluctuations it seems that Bitcoin market is capable of standing up and hold a steady market price which will eventually lead to large scale adoption.
But what I see from the earlier threads that plagiarized posts are deleted.
It also look suspicious why somebody doing the appeal just want to post one post and do want to defend himself /herself?
Everybody knows what exactly self admittance of account buying means and so experienced user admitting it (when denied previously on pretext of friend), does not sound logical to me.
PS: So many edit, I do not know how it get messed up.
The implication is the OP is not Bill Gator appealing his ban, but rather someone else trying to give an excuse to tag him.
Well, I know it's possible perhaps someone trying to want abasement bill gator account. Who know may be it's well planned including ban. But, but .. my question is, bill gator main account is still online today. Do you believe he will not visit meta section and he isn't aware about this drama ? If yes, then he will not make post with his original alt account? Because he have got ban it's true like star. Please use common sense sometimes. 
The point is that multiple people, yourself included are tagging him based on what a one post newbie is saying without any supporting evidence. Lauda is saying he is going to have at least orange trust forever regardless of the opinion of anyone else based on the uncorroborated word of a one post newbie
Lauda is blowing smoke probably to just piss you off fella - your biting only encourages more of it. In your hypothetical story here, should the wordsmith Bill come back and prove that the OP (who has a thesaurus stuffed in every orifice) is not Bill I will happily remove my tag and will lean on Lauda to remove as well. You seem obsessed with tags so much more since OG is no longer on DT and its a bit worrying, the old dictatorship is over, DT is self governing and if a tag is unjust members of DT talk to each other and help resolve anything that is seen as incorrect by a number of people. The new system is working as you can see with OG and Bill being excluded by more senior members than included - yet you will also see that that teeGUMES is on DT as the issue with regards to Vod was handled in a respectable way.
so, "if" you are right the tags at the moment will be removed and they aren't doing any harm whilst the member in question is banned if the member does not come back and post before the ban is over we can conclude that the OP is Bill. Now to further indulge you, every fucking other person on this fucking forum can add 2+2 and see that the OP was written by the same scummy prick who bought the fucking account, weaseled his way with tiny deals to have a decent level of trust, continued to shit words out and then write a fucking essay on every post then get onto DT..
So the spam was a problem back then, but I don't think there were any instances in which anyone who stopped spamming and started making decent posts was in any real any danger of getting banned. So if you take the premise that the OP bought the account and should have known it had a poor history, the way he could have resolved the poor history at the time would be to start making decent posts and he wouldn't be in any additional danger of a ban. Also, someone with a hundred posts (the number bill gator had when it was purchased) would generally not get permabanned as soon as discovered as it was posting garbage, it would generally receive a number of temp bans to give the opportunity to improve, so his risk at the time was he would receive a temp ban, and would need to make better posts moving forward, the later of which he did.
Plagiarism may have been common back then (IDK one way or another), but I don't think it was known to be a problem, nor known to be common.
All of this revolves around if Bill should have reasonably checked for plagiarism when he bought the account.
Plagiarism may have been common back then (IDK one way or another), but I don't think it was known to be a problem, nor known to be common.
All of this revolves around if Bill should have reasonably checked for plagiarism when he bought the account.
I would agree with your conclusion, and my opinion is that Bill should have reasonably checked for plagiarism/post quality. Im sure you recall how accounts were marketed back then, and post quality was always a factor. I remember playing with the account tool that everyone used and having it judge my post quality. While I agree that improving your post history is a good way to decrease the penalties, if you break a rule and you aren't caught you aren't punished. As soon as you get caught, you are likely to be punished. Will a moderator give you more consideration if you have 1 bad post for every 100 good? Certainly more so than someone with 10 posts with half of them being bad.
The risk as you said was that he would receive a temp ban, and he did. I'm not sure that it warrants a 60 day ban given the offense to contribution ratio, but thats if we operate under the assumption that there was only a single case of plagiarism in Bill's post history.
When a person buys an existing account it should be common sense that you're buying a used product and any buyer with a little common sense should consider it "as is", it's the buyers responsibility to make sure the account is "road worthy" as he is the one "driving" it on our roads. If you need a new car/account you should get it from the manufacture then you would be assured of it's authenticity.
A few weeks ago and bill gator would have been perma banned and everyone would have been arguing for a temp ban and sig ban or some kind of compromise.
I like bill gator, I don't think he is a scammer but I do think he should be happy he wasn't "shit canned" and he can come back in a couple months to be part of the community. This also makes me call into question his judgement and I now question if he is right to receive my support for a DT1 position.
A few weeks ago and bill gator would have been perma banned and everyone would have been arguing for a temp ban and sig ban or some kind of compromise.
I like bill gator, I don't think he is a scammer but I do think he should be happy he wasn't "shit canned" and he can come back in a couple months to be part of the community. This also makes me call into question his judgement and I now question if he is right to receive my support for a DT1 position.
Plagiarism was neither explicitly against the rules when he bought the account nor was it a known problem. He should have known not to plagiarize himself (by all accounts he did not), but I don't think he had any reason to believe others were plagiarizing.
I don’t think he had any reasonable reason to check for plagiarism when he bought it, and I don’t think any of the tools that checked post quality would look into potential plagiarism.
As previously stated, if account buyers are going to be held responsible for the actions of prior owners, account sales might as well be disallowed.
I don’t think he had any reasonable reason to check for plagiarism when he bought it, and I don’t think any of the tools that checked post quality would look into potential plagiarism.
As previously stated, if account buyers are going to be held responsible for the actions of prior owners, account sales might as well be disallowed.
It technically was, we just called it spam at the time as it was not common with non newbie accounts. Account farmers were a problem even back then, and plagiarism itself wasn't uncommon. Account farmers had hundreds of accounts and they'd share posts in megathreads and places they could get away with it. Those accounts were nuked/banned, but none of them ever appealed because they knew exactly what they were doing.
I don't know for certain, but I wouldn't be surprised if Bill's account was one that slipped through the cracks, and later got flagged by the bot.
Plagiarism may have been common back then (IDK one way or another), but I don't think it was known to be a problem, nor known to be common.
All of this revolves around if Bill should have reasonably checked for plagiarism when he bought the account.
The implication is the OP is not Bill Gator appealing his ban, but rather someone else trying to give an excuse to tag him.
Ok - lets play what ifs again...
if it isnt Bill - so what?
if it is Bill - So what?
either he did copy pasta and most people will exclude from DT, or he didn't and he will be excluded and tagged for buying an account. I don't get what your hardon is here unless it was you who actually started this thread.
The implication is the OP is not Bill Gator appealing his ban, but rather someone else trying to give an excuse to tag him.
Ok - lets play what ifs again...
if it isnt Bill - so what?
if it is Bill - So what?
either he did copy pasta and most people will exclude from DT, or he didn't and he will be excluded and tagged for buying an account. I don't get what your hardon is here unless it was you who actually started this thread.
Plagiarism was neither explicitly against the rules when he bought the account nor was it a known problem. He should have known not to plagiarize himself (by all accounts he did not), but I don't think he had any reason to believe others were plagiarizing.
I don’t think he had any reasonable reason to check for plagiarism when he bought it, and I don’t think any of the tools that checked post quality would look into potential plagiarism.
As previously stated, if account buyers are going to be held responsible for the actions of prior owners, account sales might as well be disallowed.
I don’t think he had any reasonable reason to check for plagiarism when he bought it, and I don’t think any of the tools that checked post quality would look into potential plagiarism.
As previously stated, if account buyers are going to be held responsible for the actions of prior owners, account sales might as well be disallowed.
It technically was, we just called it spam at the time as it was not common with non newbie accounts. Account farmers were a problem even back then, and plagiarism itself wasn't uncommon. Account farmers had hundreds of accounts and they'd share posts in megathreads and places they could get away with it. Those accounts were nuked/banned, but none of them ever appealed because they knew exactly what they were doing.
I don't know for certain, but I wouldn't be surprised if Bill's account was one that slipped through the cracks, and later got flagged by the bot.
This would lead me to believe the mods are *not* telling those who are banned which of their posts were found to be plagiarized.
I highly doubt anyone is being told which posts they plagiarized--but that's always the way it's worked. When someone opens a ban appeal thread, only then does someone do the research and come up with an example or multiple examples. The implication is the OP is not Bill Gator appealing his ban, but rather someone else trying to give an excuse to tag him.
This would lead me to believe the mods are *not* telling those who are banned which of their posts were found to be plagiarized.
I highly doubt anyone is being told which posts they plagiarized--but that's always the way it's worked. When someone opens a ban appeal thread, only then does someone do the research and come up with an example or multiple examples. With all of these bans of old and/or respected members, I think it would be a good idea to let them (and anyone else getting banned) know exactly what they did wrong. I've made that argument before in the context of writing posts about being sick and tired of all the ban appeal threads where the banned members claim ignorance of their offense (and usually their accounts aren't that old). Obviously nothing changed, and I'm sure there are reasons for why nothing did, but I've no idea what they are.
The other sex is stupid, and I don't trust them for taking important decision in a short time.Their hormones makes them too emotional.
LOL. The offensiveness and anti-PCness is just juicy. Have you explained it again? Sorry for making you feel stupid 😂
This is what happens when you reply without even reading previous posts.(signature spam alert)It's agnostic brother. I think the one who support such ideal is labeled as ABNOY (in our language). Take a hint about your mother, (oh sorry... I remembered you hate females for having none for the rest of your life, My condolences.)
How 'bout getting your main account here instead of using an alt, oops maybe you also get banned that's why you can't. Enjoy being on my Ignore list.
ABNOY?ALT? How 'bout getting your main account here instead of using an alt, oops maybe you also get banned that's why you can't. Enjoy being on my Ignore list.
What a shit post, and still it got merited.Because it was licking their asses
Sorry Bill, I'd just ride it out if I were you, I'd just be glad you didn't get nuked straight away.
Now just because I'm curious, what made you think it was a good idea to purchase an account? Even taking into account that it might not have been as frowned upon back in 2015 (although I doubt that).
I know you kinda explained it in your post, but it seems logical to think that this would come to bite you in the ass one day, as we're now seeing.
Starting a new account and spending a couple of months building it up isn't that bad, right? Especially when there weren't any merit requirements.
I thought I remembered account sales being frowned upon back in 2015, but I could just be misremembering.
Now just because I'm curious, what made you think it was a good idea to purchase an account? Even taking into account that it might not have been as frowned upon back in 2015 (although I doubt that).
I know you kinda explained it in your post, but it seems logical to think that this would come to bite you in the ass one day, as we're now seeing.
Starting a new account and spending a couple of months building it up isn't that bad, right? Especially when there weren't any merit requirements.
I thought I remembered account sales being frowned upon back in 2015, but I could just be misremembering.
Don't make me explain it every time, feels stupid.
Have you explained it again? Sorry for making you feel stupid 😂 I don't support any religion.I am agnnostic.
It's agnostic brother. I think the one who support such ideal is labeled as ABNOY (in our language). Take a hint about your mother, (oh sorry... I remembered you hate females for having none for the rest of your life, My condolences.)How 'bout getting your main account here instead of using an alt, oops maybe you also get banned that's why you can't. Enjoy being on my Ignore list.
...Lauda and her dogs.
I'm pretty curious on what place do you live in? Can't determine the difference between a dog and a cat? Lauda is a Cat. And yet you still call her and her allies dogs? Does your place have your Dogs serves under a Cat? 🤔🤔🤔
OMFG, that's a reference from a book(animal farm).Don't make me explain it every time, feels stupid.
Fucking NPC
I wonder what religious ideology you support. 
I don't support any religion.I am agnnostic.
The other sex is stupid, and I don't trust them for taking important decision in a short time.Their hormones makes them too emotional.
...Lauda and her dogs.
I'm pretty curious on what place do you live in? Can't determine the difference between a dog and a cat? Lauda is a Cat. And yet you still call her and her allies dogs? Does your place have your Dogs serves under a Cat? 🤔🤔🤔
Lemme throw your words back at you...
How stupid do you have to be, to not even think about it?
The fact that bill doesn't comes back, I think he doesn't care too much on this shit anymore,.. More or Less also about the feedbacks left on this thread and his account. Well, he really can't do anything about it now, it's such a waste for such an account.
Every week there's always a new drama to entertain the meta visiters with. What I don't get about the whole bill's ban appeal was, what was he thinking appealing a temporary sig ban with the exuse of he was not the poster of the plagiarized posts, sounds funny to my hearing. Seems like he was trying to clarify he isn't a post stealer but ended up reviewing he's an account farmers. Just skimmed through bill's feedback and guess what, he has previously tagged another users for trying to sell an accounts Such a hypocritical act.
Idiot gator is all about virtue signalling..
I called it on time.Don't tell me that everyone is a woman here, because that would be the only logical reason for such stupidity.
I wonder what religious ideology you support. Shocking. Some one speaks up about systemic abuse and magically some one finds a reason to ban him among other punitive acts. This forum is devolving into disgusting stazi like tactics. Show me the man I will find you the crime.
This is what happens when some plebs(and woman) get power.Every week there's always a new drama to entertain the meta visiters with. What I don't get about the whole bill's ban appeal was, what was he thinking appealing a temporary sig ban with the exuse of he was not the poster of the plagiarized posts, sounds funny to my hearing. Seems like he was trying to clarify he isn't a post stealer but ended up reviewing he's an account farmers. Just skimmed through bill's feedback and guess what, he has previously tagged another users for trying to sell an accounts Such a hypocritical act.
These signature spammers are acting like a true NPC.This post is probably written by Lauda and her dogs.How stupid do you have to be, to not even think about it?
Don't tell me that everyone is a woman here, because that would be the only logical reason for such stupidity.
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Every week there's always a new drama to entertain the meta visiters with. What I don't get about the whole bill's ban appeal was, what was he thinking appealing a temporary sig ban with the exuse of he was not the poster of the plagiarized posts, sounds funny to my hearing. Seems like he was trying to clarify he isn't a post stealer but ended up reviewing he's an account farmers. Just skimmed through bill's feedback and guess what, he has previously tagged another users for trying to sell an accounts Such a hypocritical act.
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