Topic: Ban Appeal RegulusHr and discussion on topic "good for the forum as a whole". - page 11. (Read 6318 times)

I can call in cryptohunter and TMAN if you are fond of polite discussion.

I would like to ask for a more polite discussion here.
I hope I don't ask to much.   

Yeah, yeah. We are all evil psychopaths; it's our fault and definitely not the fault of the people breaking the rules and/or acting untrustworthy. I've heard this countless times already; be original for once.

No. Respect is earned; you can keep that self-entitled bullshit to the local section. Don't even get me started on the we should respect all opinions.

Sure. Strip him of his signature, his merit source status and revoke bans on all non heavy cases of plagiarism. I wish the staff the best with this proposal.

After reading all posts here I think it's time to change rules on this forum.
I think that ovcijisir, Branko, Trofo, cryptofrka and others very well explained why permaban is not good solution for plagiarism (based on RegulusHr case).
In my opinion, much better solution will be temporary ban, maybe 30-90 days for a first mistake and permaban if plagiarism happen again.
We don't need an exemptions but a new forum rule for plagiarism and I hope that theymos will consider it.
Also, I would like to see the same respect toward young and old members on this forum.
It's not important who is more famous or popular on this forum, or have more power or influence.
We should respect equally all users on this forum, and their opinions.
Finally, I'm not hungry for merits and don't care about it.
In fact, I'm another merit source.
I support RegulusHr because it's right thing to do.

Nice way to SPIN my words...but I already noticed some old legendary members obsessed more with punishing people
left and right and making newbie life miserable, than trying to help people...like giving already banned people
negative trust

I learned so much from him and I am pretty sure that I am not only one, his contribution to our local community is unquestionable.

Copy-pasta lover
It is hard to me to be nice after reading this, but I will. RegulusHr spent many days of his life for making new, fresh, interesting and quality posts for local community.

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I do not want to tell names, but I feel that many respectable members which are against RegulusHr see only merits in eyes of Croatian community!

He even organized meetup for local community of Bitcoin forum with his own money. I wonder how many members even try something like that?
I believe he was planning another one, but with this thankfulness I do not think so.

I don't get Branko's obsession with spinners. Moderators are banning for using that shit. Sure, some posts may slip through and some spinning may be considered too inconclusive for a ban. However 80%+ of users that I reported for word-spinning ended up being banned. It's not a free pass. And it doesn't excuse any other copypasta.

Surprising. It seems to me that more people have a burning desire to get banned and neg. rated.

Would You, my-local-people, agree to un-ban account, disable signature and remove regulus from merit source? It's not that it's going to happen anyway.
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Testing grounds for text spinner? Well, that is fastest way to get permaban.

How is that anecdote relevant here? This is why mods are hesitant to make exceptions. All sorts of spammers would then start screaming whataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhatabout...

Let's just stick to the facts at hand. The OP has done copypasta, more than once and probably more than twice, with apparent financial motivation.

Most arguments that were given here are valid and can be understood. There are always 2 sides to every problem - we feel the punishment is too hard because we know RegulusHR, the mods see him just as another spammer/scammer/cheater. I can understand that standpoint, it would take a massive amount of time to check every reported/tagged user thoroughly. Rules are there for a reason, abiding by them is the easiest way to hold this forum in one place.

The thing is you all know these rules are not always good and fair. It is not the same thing if a new user gets banned for copying something and if an older, legit and respected user gets banned for something he did a year or more ago. Changing rules is always hard because there will always be users in the past with the same mistakes that were punished harder, but this specific rule (considering the timeline) is in my opinion a really bad one and punishment for it too strict (not just in the case of RegulusHR) and if you look at it logically - should be modified a bit.

Regarding the community support - I can understand reservations there as well. You can test it easily - revoke Regulus's ban, remove negative trust but remove him as a merit source.
We as a community will progress a bit harder but if we are honest, we will be pleased because a member we cared about is back in our community.

This would not be fair too because he was actually a great merit source and did the job thoroughly but would serve as a way to show that we support the man and not the milking cow.

I don't think so, no. You'd have to quote and include a link to the source.

So lets make it clear here

if instead

"Electrum Dark will be usefull on trading once its platform become live. My full support on the project and will contribute for your success."

he wrote

""Electrum Dark will be usefull on trading once its platform is alive. I fully support the project and will contribute to its success.""

it would be OK, if we will be strict about following rules?

No, it is not. It is called accepting the forum's policy and trying to be consistent afterwards.

Indeed.

That's one of the problems. There is a very strong incentive for people who received (or may receive) merit from OP to complain about his ban and ask for an exception. Given the lack of involvement outside of the section and general lack of contributions to the community, there is no way to judge what the actual agenda of each user is.

Yup, and I've had bad experiences with local users trying to play white knights before. The last one I remember was when I tagged someone active in the Turkish section (there was a thread in the reputation section IIRC). At least the users here seem to be acting in a proper manner.

I hope I am one of the users you recognize. After all I was in Coinpayments campaign managed by you. It was the best managed campaign I have been part of and thank you for that. Your standards have made me expect similar level of commitment from other signature managers which left me disappointed often.

To get back on the track. RegulusHr will only get support from users active in Croatian section of the forum (he was only active in that part). If you are not reading that part lately it is somewhat logical that most of the users are unknown to you. After all most of us are newer members of the forum with varying knowledge and contribution.


That perception was actually my concern as well. I am aware how it looks to "outsiders". We have a loop here without good way to get out of it other then to trust our words. All the users speaking on the behalf of RegulusHR are part of the Croatian section and all of them have probably received merits from him at some time. He was the "local" source after all. I believe I am actually most merited person by RegulusHR and was thinking to refrain of posting my comment here because somebody will probably make that link and conclude I am writing just because of the merits.

I like to believe that he would receive same support even with merit out of the question. He would have my support for sure but there is no way to prove such claims so "back to the loop".  

Sorry, was lazy to check actual reason, I thought you were speaking about reason you gave RegulusHR
negative trust.

Now that I see you wrote

"Stealing other people's work/text is not trustworthy."

do you think he was really "stealing other people's work"?

I think he was just lazy...but I so many times saw similar behavior (and reported it), but people
weren't lazy and changed a word here and there or used posting bot to post spam, and they were
not banned...so (for me) this ban is pretty extreme (and if some cases you spoke mentioned were the same,
of course I think the same about those cases too). But if you fought for someone before, and now insist
RegulusHR should be banned because someone else you liked was banned for same thing. , thats
hypocritical in my book.
If they ban you next day because of same offense, I won't insist your ban stay
just because you were supporting RegulusHR ban

That is fair, but you should have empathized that it is a possibility rather than a statement of how things are. The way that I've read it, it felt like a direct attack.

I do not know, but my statement stands (note the "I see"). Out of all the names that were voicing their support for OP, I may have recognized two of them. This is usually not a good sign.

Nobody was talking about Regulus.

Who knows, he may surprise us like he did with the DT system.

This - promoting issues around plagiarism or similar.. if he got to waste his time on this shit then people should be punished
 

Out of curiosity, what did RegulusHR lied about?

That is not my plan at all.


I am aware that there is a possibility you do not know this member personally. What I meant is that it seems you hold a grudge over something what happened a while ago on Croatian local board. I do not know what it is, I do not care what it is, I have just heard your name spoken a few times but it does not interest me at all what happened. I'm just voicing my feeling, based on your comment where you asked for the same treatment as before, and for giving negative rep for far lesser 'evil' than the ones you usually tend to give them for.


Again, not my plan. I am not trying to taint anything, I'm just questioning this specific decision. Yes, you can say 'who are you to question', I know you have worked a lot to get to where you are and that your reputation is earned, but I also know better than to stay silent when I see something I do not agree with.

Eventually, as mentioned before, it will be the way you choose it to be. I just hope you take my opinions as a incentive to reconsider, not to fight.


Oh God, I just saw this.. I'm 32 years old, have a steady job, do 3 more jobs in my free time, I live a happy and satisfying life. Do you honestly think I care about merits, some forum reputation or whatever?
If I did, I would not be here, confronting you. Would I?