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Quote from: Daniel91 on May 21, 2022, 09:29:24 AM

I hope he will leave us alone now, but unfortunately I am not very optimistic Grin

Don't worry, mister liar will leave us again on next Bitcoin bull run, and he will come back when Bitcoin price crashes again in future, this is his usual modus operandi.
I believe he is some kind of low level government employee so it's possible that he has a lot of free time for his hate theories, but next time he will create new account yet again.
I don't think we can ban him, even if he is breaking forum rules with ban evasion, but I am looking it from positive side that he raised stats for our local forum Cheesy

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Quote from: Daniel91 on May 21, 2022, 09:29:24 AM

The snowshow started to spam my topic in the Croatian part of the forum about Buffett, so I had to lock it in the end.

Yeah I saw, that was a good move.

Quote from: Daniel91 on May 21, 2022, 09:29:24 AM

I hope he will leave us alone now, but unfortunately I am not very optimistic Grin

As long as people keep trying to have serious conversations with that troll he will keep coming back and spreading this bullshit. Just look at this thread for example; he is trolling people there for months and that topic has 19 pages now so ofc ourse he wont stop as that's what he wants, attention. Worst of all, everyone already knows that he is ban evading troll yet they keep trying to have serious conversation with him. Some are probably doing it out of boredom and as some sort of exercise while others are using him to fill their signature quotas.

I do like the fact that this forum has way less strict rules than any other forum I've ever been part of but that means that there is no effective way to stop trolls like fxsurfer.

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Quote from: Rikafip on May 17, 2022, 11:58:07 AM

If anyone had any doubts whether snowshow is an alt account of fxsurfer/antkivark/anthithesis, he finally revealed himself as he couldn't resist to leave a comment in Croatian local board where he spreads the same bullshit like with all those older accounts. Imho, his posting style and the same old story that he spreads should be evidence enough to ban this account as well, but unfortunately forum policy is different.

Quote from: Snowshow on May 17, 2022, 11:46:10 AM

Deči, fascinantno je kako se rugate Buffetu, a doslovno svaki član Satoshi sheme pokazuje da je Buffet u pravu. Jer, da je Bitcoin resurs koji postoji, resurs koji se rudari, onda bi holderi od njega imali koristi. No, nikakav takav resurs ne postoji u shemi i zato su holderima potrebni novi investitori da im korist tj. resurse donesu. Ako bi se sad zaustavio priljev tih investitora ostale bi vam samo te jedinice Satoshijevog zamišljenog broja (21 milijun) koje su atribuirane online adresama i od kojih ne bi imali apsolutno nikakve koristi. Na što je onda utrošena sva ona silna energija? Koji resurs se to izrudario ako niti jedan holder od toga ne može imati korist i treba dobrovoljni ulazak novog investitora da ga izbavi? Pa ništa. Ništa nije izrudareno. Sve što se događa u shemi je atribucija jedinica zamišljenog broja nakon uloga struje i drugih resursa. Ergo, uplata resursa u shemu bez resursa. Školska definicija investicijske prevare. Ono, anonimni lik izmisli broj, napravi protokol i sustav koji jedinice tog broja atribuira adresama na internetu, i ljudi zbog te atribucije daju svoje vrijedne ekonomske resurse. I onda se ti isti ljudi smiju Buffetu. Ludilo.

Yes, exactly the same story, the same examples and explanations, there is practically no doubt that this is the same person who spam this forum.
Given that admins tolerate such cases and allow such discussions, it is obviously the best option to ignore such members.
The snowshow started to spam my topic in the Croatian part of the forum about Buffett, so I had to lock it in the end.
I hope he will leave us alone now, but unfortunately I am not very optimistic Grin

It seems that this is a person with a messianic complex and he came here to save us from bitcoin and crypto Grin

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If anyone had any doubts whether snowshow is an alt account of fxsurfer/antkivark/anthithesis, he finally revealed himself as he couldn't resist to leave a comment in Croatian local board where he spreads the same bullshit like with all those older accounts. Imho, his posting style and the same old story that he spreads should be evidence enough to ban this account as well, but unfortunately forum policy is different.

Quote from: Snowshow on May 17, 2022, 11:46:10 AM

Deči, fascinantno je kako se rugate Buffetu, a doslovno svaki član Satoshi sheme pokazuje da je Buffet u pravu. Jer, da je Bitcoin resurs koji postoji, resurs koji se rudari, onda bi holderi od njega imali koristi. No, nikakav takav resurs ne postoji u shemi i zato su holderima potrebni novi investitori da im korist tj. resurse donesu. Ako bi se sad zaustavio priljev tih investitora ostale bi vam samo te jedinice Satoshijevog zamišljenog broja (21 milijun) koje su atribuirane online adresama i od kojih ne bi imali apsolutno nikakve koristi. Na što je onda utrošena sva ona silna energija? Koji resurs se to izrudario ako niti jedan holder od toga ne može imati korist i treba dobrovoljni ulazak novog investitora da ga izbavi? Pa ništa. Ništa nije izrudareno. Sve što se događa u shemi je atribucija jedinica zamišljenog broja nakon uloga struje i drugih resursa. Ergo, uplata resursa u shemu bez resursa. Školska definicija investicijske prevare. Ono, anonimni lik izmisli broj, napravi protokol i sustav koji jedinice tog broja atribuira adresama na internetu, i ljudi zbog te atribucije daju svoje vrijedne ekonomske resurse. I onda se ti isti ljudi smiju Buffetu. Ludilo.

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I only wrote one post on that topic, and it didn't answer me, for some reason it ignores me as with previous accounts - or I hit it in essence and there's nothing to answer. I think it’s really a waste of time trying to explain to someone what the difference is between a sunset picture and Bitcoin, especially if the genius thinks this first is actually more valuable.

I told him that if he thought so, let him draw one sunset and look at it, if he thinks that number 1 (representing 1 BTC in a crypto wallet) is worthless Wink

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Quote from: Rikafip on February 05, 2022, 04:21:00 AM

Seems like fxsurfer/antikvark got bored and is yet again back with a new account, Antithesis and yet again he managed to troll people with his obsession about Bitcoin being a just an useless number and nothing else in his latest "Can you answer a couple of questions to a potential bitcoin buyer?" thread.

This time he is more cautious in order not to be connected so he is avoiding Croatian board, but his posts reeks of fxsurfer.

Some people just never give up.
It’s funny to come to a bitcoin forum and then try to convince members that bitcoin is a scam, each time with a different profile Cheesy

Admins can, and I hope they will, check his IP address, prove that he is the same person with different forum profiles and finally ban him, because the other way of proving, via btc address, in his case will obviously not work.
It's obvious that what this person is doing is a violation of the rules of the forum.

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Seems like fxsurfer/antikvark got bored and is yet again back with a new account, Antithesis and yet again he managed to troll people with his obsession about Bitcoin being a just an useless number and nothing else in his latest "Can you answer a couple of questions to a potential bitcoin buyer?" thread.

This time he is more cautious in order not to be connected so he is avoiding Croatian board, but his posts reeks of fxsurfer.

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Quote from: Lauda on February 25, 2020, 03:34:57 PM

Does this intentional trolling make sense for flag type-1? I can easily argue that people who fall for his "advice" are at financial risk because they may not buy any Bitcoin at all (most recommendations are shifting to buying at least some).

I am not going to comment anything related to tagging/flagging trolls, nop Lips sealed

Not asking you to, but it is a thin line and making a no-flagging-at-all or a flag-everyone decision is a mistake. This isn't somebody trolling at somebody else, nor is it somebody making substantial lies about Bitcoin. It is just repetitive malicious trolling with zero substance. Here is a test flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=1401. If there is consensus, I am leaving it as is. If there isn't I will retract support.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on February 25, 2020, 05:05:29 PM

I agree we should just ignore him. It's not really easy to do though because he's extremely irritant so it just itches to write something back.
I must admit he is intelligent and is not a classical troll - he spins words well and knows his way around economy subjects.

OK, maybe not a regular troll, but I wouldn't give him too much credit. Most of the time he just repeats the same invalid arguments over and over again. It feels like I'm arguing with a flatearther. He has some background in economics, though.

Quote from: cryptofrka on February 25, 2020, 05:05:29 PM

Other than potential (well, almost certain) multiaccounting that we cannot prove so far, I don't think he's actually breaking any rules. As irritating as he might be, he's just FUDing about Bitcoin. Not the best place to do so, but we're the ones biting.

And what about trolling? If this is not a school example of a troll, I don't know what is.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure all of these are his profiles on various forums and portals:

Forum.hr - fxsurfer [banned]
Profile link: https://www.forum.hr/member.php?u=747807

Forum.hr - contradiction [banned]
Profile link: http://www.forum.hr/member.php?u=688689

Forum.hr - Trader [banned]
http://www.forum.hr/member.php?u=754659

Forum.hr - niwrad
Profile link: http://www.forum.hr/member.php?action=getinfo&userid=761953

vecernji.hr - niwrad
Profile link: https://www.vecernji.hr/korisnici/profil/145284

Youtube - niwrad
Profile link: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmAPiOllF8GMk7kkIupm61w

reddit - minline
Profile link: https://www.reddit.com/user/minline/

Yahoo answers - Mario
Profile link: https://answers.yahoo.com/activity/questions?show=cAs12BScaa

capital.ba - Mario

logicno.com - Mario

mojnovac.net - Forexhr (probably one of his oldest profiles - member since: 29.04.2005.)
Profile link: http://www.mojnovac.net/forumi/member.php?u=2201

Feel free to update the list if you have more information.

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He is on my ignore list for long time, but I just had to ask him today if fxsurfer and antikvark are both his accounts.
The more he speaks the more he reveals himself, but I agree we should all stop talking to him.
Let him enjoy in his tiny vigilante anti-bubble.

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Quote from: Lauda on February 25, 2020, 03:34:57 PM

Does this intentional trolling make sense for flag type-1? I can easily argue that people who fall for his "advice" are at financial risk because they may not buy any Bitcoin at all (most recommendations are shifting to buying at least some).

I am not going to comment anything related to tagging/flagging trolls, nop Lips sealed

Quote from: Rikafip on February 25, 2020, 04:33:00 PM

he will just make new account and continue with the same narrative.

It won't be so damn hard to spot him! Wink

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I agree we should just ignore him. It's not really easy to do though because he's extremely irritant so it just itches to write something back.
I must admit he is intelligent and is not a classical troll - he spins words well and knows his way around economy subjects.

Other than potential (well, almost certain) multiaccounting that we cannot prove so far, I don't think he's actually breaking any rules. As irritating as he might be, he's just FUDing about Bitcoin. Not the best place to do so, but we're the ones biting.

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Flag or ban is not the long term solution for this kind of troll (not that i think that he doesn't deserves ban, as this is an obvious case of ban evasion), only shunning is. Ban or flag doesn't mean much to him, he will just make new account and continue with the same narrative.
This guy is on his own little crusade against Bitcoin, and every reply and answer he gets just gets him more determined to continue with this crap, and I personally don't want to give him that pleasure of answering to his bs, and I hope others will do the same. In general, ignore option is severely underused on this forum.

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Does this intentional trolling make sense for flag type-1? I can easily argue that people who fall for his "advice" are at financial risk because they may not buy any Bitcoin at all (most recommendations are shifting to buying at least some).

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Quote from: dkbit98 on February 25, 2020, 12:35:28 PM

Maybe this should be moved to investigation.

It is nickname, not personal info. Lets keep it that way.

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Mario is just a poor poor liar....
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20171004160423AA8L1S4
https://answers.yahoo.com/activity/questions?show=cAs12BScaa

Maybe this should be moved to investigation.

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Quote from: Lucius on February 25, 2020, 06:56:46 AM

he/she

Quote from: antikvark on February 25, 2020, 04:55:36 AM

No sve sam to već objasnio.

Quote from: fxsurfer on April 15, 2019, 07:43:46 AM

Objasnio sam to

Quote from: dkbit98 on February 25, 2020, 08:27:26 AM

People where banned before from this forum many times with much less proof

were

Look at this:

https://www.forum.hr/showpost.php?p=71990453&postcount=5528
https://www.forum.hr/showpost.php?p=71991213&postcount=5537
https://www.forum.hr/showpost.php?p=71998095&postcount=5552
https://www.forum.hr/showpost.php?p=72076759&postcount=5749
https://www.forum.hr/showpost.php?p=71897921&postcount=5367

Sounds familiar?

Quote from: antikvark on February 23, 2020, 02:47:32 AM

Inače, ne znam zašto se toliko uzbuđujete. Samo sam vam izrekao činjenicu da je Bitcoin bezvrijedan jer ga ne može pojesti, popiti, voziti, ugraditi u gotov proizvod ili poseksati, i zato što vam njegovi izdavatelji ništa ne isplaćuju kao kod svih ostalih financijskih instrumenata. Nisam vam ja kriv što ste dio moderne investicijske prevare.

"bitcoin is a number, not a letter, car, triangle, cube" and in second quoted post "bitcoin has no value because you can't drive it, eat it, have sex with it".

@Daniel91 speaking of "gramophone records" and insults
https://www.forum.hr/showpost.php?p=72053993&postcount=5641
https://www.forum.hr/showpost.php?p=71935903&postcount=5491
https://www.forum.hr/showpost.php?p=71892163&postcount=5324

Grin

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Quote from: fxsurfer on April 17, 2019, 12:42:53 AM

Slično je vjerojatno bilo i nekad sa kupcima lukovica tulipana koji su mijenjali kuće za te lukovice upravo zato jer su bili drogirani spomenutim memom. No kad ih je ošamarila stvarnost onda je bilo kasno. Isto će biti i sa bitcoinima, i to vam uporno sugeriram ovim jednostavnim objašnjenjima da je on utemeljen na prevari, ali vi ne marite nego rađe čekate šamar stvarnosti. Ok, vaš izbor.

Quote from: antikvark on February 25, 2020, 04:55:36 AM

U tulipomaniji su se kućama plaćale lukovice tulipana. No to ne znači da lukovica i kuća imaju istu vrijednost u stvarnosti. Ne praviš razliku između špekulativne manije koja napuhava cjenovni balon i stvarnu vrijednost nečega. No sve sam to već objasnio. Ali tebi je važnija sprdnja od edukacije.

People where banned before from this forum many times with much less proof

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It's probably the same person, but without solid evidence, no one will ban him regardless of what he posted on the forum, or his opinion on what Bitcoin really is. As I see the user in question can not be accused of ban evasion through connections with an address, but he/she maybe is not using TOR/VPN, so admin can check is there any match in IP address.

In the meantime, it's best to use the Ignore option, any further interaction really doesn't make sense.

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^ this account is calling bitcoin a ponzi scam, whoever disagrees and tries to convince him otherwise is an idiot (logically). Whoever post "copy/pasted phrase about bitcoin" is behaving like a "broken gramophone record" (logically). It is not really related to this topic and ban evasion.

I will add prologue as another circumstantial evidence:

"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them." - Galileo Galilei
(fxsurfer - crypto is scam)

"It is easier to fool people than to convince them that they have heen fooled" - Mark Twain
(antikvark - bitcoin is scam)

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