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jr. member
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July 25, 2022, 12:51:52 AM
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There's nothing to discuss, but someone might want me to clarify some points from the OP. So, there's no need to lock anything.

Hahaha, that sounds like you are just an attention-seeking whore! What are you even doing here? Are you aware that this is an online discussion forum about Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies?

What do you mean by Bitcoin? An imaginary asset or a system for accessing a pyramid scheme?
legendary
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July 24, 2022, 04:06:52 PM
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There's nothing to discuss, but someone might want me to clarify some points from the OP. So, there's no need to lock anything.

Hahaha, that sounds like you are just an attention-seeking whore! What are you even doing here? Are you aware that this is an online discussion forum about Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies?
jr. member
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July 24, 2022, 02:54:54 PM
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Like I said. There's nothing to discuss here anymore.

Good. You have your opinion, the rest of us have ours, and the future will decide which one is right. Obviously, nothing we say can make you change your mind, and you have already said that your opinion is the only one that counts. Since we have nothing more to discuss, do you mind locking this topic now?

There's nothing to discuss, but someone might want me to clarify some points from the OP. So, there's no need to lock anything.
legendary
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July 24, 2022, 12:33:04 PM
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Like I said. There's nothing to discuss here anymore.

Good. You have your opinion, the rest of us have ours, and the future will decide which one is right. Obviously, nothing we say can make you change your mind, and you have already said that your opinion is the only one that counts. Since we have nothing more to discuss, do you mind locking this topic now?
jr. member
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July 24, 2022, 11:59:28 AM
You see how nicely have you ignored my claim, again. That's all you do.
I would love to have a discussion about your claim, but you’re not here to discuss in the first place. So either show me you’re able to do it or i won’t waste my time.
There's nothing to discuss here. Experiment proved that no digital resource called bitcoin exists in the system. You cannot show it. No one can. Numbers are fake. No real amount is represented with them. Just admit the fact that the system is Ponzi scheme and that's it. No need to beat a dead horse.

You are retarded, aren't you? I already told you that Bitcoin is real and exists in the system. We can show it. Every one that owns it, can show it. The amount is what is represented by the quantity of Bitcoin you own in an address. You are the one to have to admit that Bitcoin is real, way better than fiat (no comparison possible, otherwise you would be comparing onions with garlic) and that numbers are real, regardless your unfunded claims. Admit it and put an end to your non-sense.

BITCOIN IS REAL.
BITCOIN EXISTS.
BITCOIN HAS VALUE.

FIAT IS SHIT.
FIAT IS PONZI.
FIAT IS SCAM.
FIAT HAS NO VALUE OTHER THAN THE IMAGINATION OF A MIGHTY TRUST IN YOUR GOVERNMENT AND POLITICIANS!
If I write down your name, and next to it: "10 Porsches", that's all you can show to people. You can show a number and letters. Not a resource. Not actual cars. In the same way, that person Nakamoto, that is, their software can write "10 BTC" next to your online addresses. And that's what you can show: a number and letters. Nothing else. There's no resource called bitcoin in the bitcoin system. Neither digital nor tangible. Bitcoin is an imaginary resource. You can scream all day long, but that won't make bitcoin to appear.

Like I said. There's nothing to discuss here anymore.
full member
Activity: 233
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July 22, 2022, 03:01:55 PM

BITCOIN IS REAL.
BITCOIN EXISTS.
BITCOIN HAS VALUE.


May I add one point to your list  Smiley


NOBODY AND NOTHING CAN STOP/DESTROY BITCOIN.



Don't answer. Prove the opposite.
hero member
Activity: 1176
Merit: 647
I rather die on my feet than to live on my knees
July 22, 2022, 10:14:06 AM
You see how nicely have you ignored my claim, again. That's all you do.
I would love to have a discussion about your claim, but you’re not here to discuss in the first place. So either show me you’re able to do it or i won’t waste my time.
There's nothing to discuss here. Experiment proved that no digital resource called bitcoin exists in the system. You cannot show it. No one can. Numbers are fake. No real amount is represented with them. Just admit the fact that the system is Ponzi scheme and that's it. No need to beat a dead horse.

How are we even supposed to read the OP if you already changed it 21 million times and you will keep changing it as if you were printing fiat bills! NON-STOP. Making your replies more valueless each time you reply.
hero member
Activity: 1176
Merit: 647
I rather die on my feet than to live on my knees
July 22, 2022, 10:12:00 AM
You see how nicely have you ignored my claim, again. That's all you do.
I would love to have a discussion about your claim, but you’re not here to discuss in the first place. So either show me you’re able to do it or i won’t waste my time.
There's nothing to discuss here. Experiment proved that no digital resource called bitcoin exists in the system. You cannot show it. No one can. Numbers are fake. No real amount is represented with them. Just admit the fact that the system is Ponzi scheme and that's it. No need to beat a dead horse.

You are retarded, aren't you? I already told you that Bitcoin is real and exists in the system. We can show it. Every one that owns it, can show it. The amount is what is represented by the quantity of Bitcoin you own in an address. You are the one to have to admit that Bitcoin is real, way better than fiat (no comparison possible, otherwise you would be comparing onions with garlic) and that numbers are real, regardless your unfunded claims. Admit it and put an end to your non-sense.

BITCOIN IS REAL.
BITCOIN EXISTS.
BITCOIN HAS VALUE.

FIAT IS SHIT.
FIAT IS PONZI.
FIAT IS SCAM.
FIAT HAS NO VALUE OTHER THAN THE IMAGINATION OF A MIGHTY TRUST IN YOUR GOVERNMENT AND POLITICIANS!
full member
Activity: 168
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武士道
July 21, 2022, 02:40:56 PM
Those are your fantasies, not my claims. My claim is pretty simple: there's no digital resource or asset called bitcoin in the bitcoin system. I gave pretty simple experiment in the OP to demonstrate that. You all completely ignore the topic at hand and just engage in ad hominem attacks. The most common is this" "You don't understand bitcoin...".

So, there's nothing for me to address. Your opinions on me are not the topic here.
You changed your claims multiple times, you tried everything you can, but all of it got disproven. And then you just come up with another claim. And now your last resort is calling people cultists again, but if you understood how decentralized Bitcoin is this doesn’t even make sense and just shows that you indeed have no clue what’s going on. And nah people don’t read from the same book, they verify individually, people here are not even linked to each other. We don’t even know each other or have ever talked with each other before. Just verify everything individually, that is the only way to get it. You won’t get around education to understand Bitcoin, that’s the real problem here for the haters. Because they’re unable or lazy to do it. But it’s positive for Bitcoin as it keeps the people out, that just won’t take the time study it, naturally. So we will reach higher quality results in the end, as you can’t fake your way in.  

tadamichi, you just described, in a way, how science progresses.  That is, it's individual scientists verifying experiments done by others, others that they may not know. They are all trying to decipher, unravel a great mystery that is an ultimate truth.  The final truth of how the universe works is unknown, we only know a tiny bit that has been unraveled by experiments and observations.  This is how our understanding advances.  At least, ideally.  Sometimes it doesn't work out that way, think of the epicycles of astronomy of the past.

And, like you state, the process keeps those out that have a poorer understanding of science, since they would be unable to reproduce those same experiments, since "you can't fake your way in".

For the case of bitcoins it is a bit easier.  Bitcoin's final truth is somewhat known since the source code is public for all to see.  And if it's too complicated to follow, to understand it in code form, many have written articles, books, to help explain it, like the white paper or the book: "Mastering Bitcoin" by Andreas Antonopoulos.

What is unknown about bitcoin is what will be done with it in the future, what other layers will be built on top of it (the lighting network is an example of a secondary layer).
There are parts that are known and public, but not to everyone.

Similar to studying physics, i probably wouldn’t be able to propose any future changes in our physics models, because i only studied parts of it and my knowledge doesn’t go deep enough. Yet i still know enough about it to understand how it works and to use it where i can. And it’s enough to catch my interest in certain areas.

If i tried to propose some change or start to do accusations that physics is a scam, it would become clear quickly that there are holes in my knowledge and it’s not true. That’s how i wouldn’t be able to fake my way into physics and change the way of thinking. For my ideas to have weight, it requires some heavy work and studying to really change the way people think, because ultimately the truth outweighs lies and bs. Similar to how epicycles got debunked.

Yet anyone is open to contribute to physics and we have people trying to say flat earth is real and we’re being scammed. Then it’s a question if i value stephen hawkings work more, than some idiot where it’s obvious that they didn’t spend more than 5 minutes thinking about it. It’s not even necessary to trust hawking, just verify his claims. And this is probably the only way to fully get physics, by verifying everything individually. And yet it’s still impossible to convince them of the truth, you could probably send them into space and they would still deny it. But the majority will still follow the truth and make use of physics even if they don’t fully get it themselves.

Bitcoin is similar to this in some way. Sometimes its even challenging to get for highly educated people, for whatever reason. It’s highly interdisciplinary, but they also have ties to the current system, similar to how long it took to change consensus about earth not being the center of the universe, because people benefited from it politically. Our current models aren’t accurate enough to fully get Bitcoin, having specialised knowledge in just one field isn’t enough. Similar to how it wasn’t enough to just study the bible to understand the universe. And it took a long to make people realise that the earth isn’t the center of the universe. Bitcoin is open to anyone for contribution, similar to science. And it thrives the more proof based, open to everyone and willing to follow the truth it is, that is where both Bitcoin and science thrive the most. Previous forms of money thrived on their users being uneducated and uniformed about it. Just think about fractional reserveing, it completely works on the basis that not everyone can withdraw their money, just until people realise this. Gold coins have also been debased trough cheaper metals troughout history. These forms of money thrive on people not understanding it. And in these opaque systems it isn’t immediately clear to separate between bs knowledge and truth. In Bitcoin it’s obvious fast, similar to when science follows it’s core principles. That’s when the two shine. The more great minds we have studying Bitcoin, the easier it will be to preserve what made Bitcoin great troughout time and implement great ideas for the future.
full member
Activity: 287
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July 21, 2022, 03:31:54 AM
Those are your fantasies, not my claims. My claim is pretty simple: there's no digital resource or asset called bitcoin in the bitcoin system. I gave pretty simple experiment in the OP to demonstrate that. You all completely ignore the topic at hand and just engage in ad hominem attacks. The most common is this" "You don't understand bitcoin...".

So, there's nothing for me to address. Your opinions on me are not the topic here.
You changed your claims multiple times, you tried everything you can, but all of it got disproven. And then you just come up with another claim. And now your last resort is calling people cultists again, but if you understood how decentralized Bitcoin is this doesn’t even make sense and just shows that you indeed have no clue what’s going on. And nah people don’t read from the same book, they verify individually, people here are not even linked to each other. We don’t even know each other or have ever talked with each other before. Just verify everything individually, that is the only way to get it. You won’t get around education to understand Bitcoin, that’s the real problem here for the haters. Because they’re unable or lazy to do it. But it’s positive for Bitcoin as it keeps the people out, that just won’t take the time study it, naturally. So we will reach higher quality results in the end, as you can’t fake your way in.  

tadamichi, you just described, in a way, how science progresses.  That is, it's individual scientists verifying experiments done by others, others that they may not know. They are all trying to decipher, unravel a great mystery that is an ultimate truth.  The final truth of how the universe works is unknown, we only know a tiny bit that has been unraveled by experiments and observations.  This is how our understanding advances.  At least, ideally.  Sometimes it doesn't work out that way, think of the epicycles of astronomy of the past.

And, like you state, the process keeps those out that have a poorer understanding of science, since they would be unable to reproduce those same experiments, since "you can't fake your way in".

For the case of bitcoins it is a bit easier.  Bitcoin's final truth is somewhat known since the source code is public for all to see.  And if it's too complicated to follow, to understand it in code form, many have written articles, books, to help explain it, like the white paper or the book: "Mastering Bitcoin" by Andreas Antonopoulos.

What is unknown about bitcoin is what will be done with it in the future, what other layers will be built on top of it (the lighting network is an example of a secondary layer).
jr. member
Activity: 252
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July 21, 2022, 03:29:53 AM
You see how nicely have you ignored my claim, again. That's all you do.
I would love to have a discussion about your claim, but you’re not here to discuss in the first place. So either show me you’re able to do it or i won’t waste my time.
There's nothing to discuss here. Experiment proved that no digital resource called bitcoin exists in the system. You cannot show it. No one can. Numbers are fake. No real amount is represented with them. Just admit the fact that the system is Ponzi scheme and that's it. No need to beat a dead horse.
Then how did you type your comment just now, so that others can read it across a "fake" internet.

Or, numbers really are fake and this whole universe is fake, and it's all just happening inside your head for your benefit, and only you are real.


Read the OP. You're talking nonsense.
full member
Activity: 287
Merit: 159
July 21, 2022, 03:13:17 AM
You see how nicely have you ignored my claim, again. That's all you do.
I would love to have a discussion about your claim, but you’re not here to discuss in the first place. So either show me you’re able to do it or i won’t waste my time.
There's nothing to discuss here. Experiment proved that no digital resource called bitcoin exists in the system. You cannot show it. No one can. Numbers are fake. No real amount is represented with them. Just admit the fact that the system is Ponzi scheme and that's it. No need to beat a dead horse.
Then how did you type your comment just now, so that others can read it across a "fake" internet.

Or, numbers really are fake and this whole universe is fake, and it's all just happening inside your head for your benefit, and only you are real.

jr. member
Activity: 252
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July 20, 2022, 11:45:29 PM
You see how nicely have you ignored my claim, again. That's all you do.
I would love to have a discussion about your claim, but you’re not here to discuss in the first place. So either show me you’re able to do it or i won’t waste my time.
There's nothing to discuss here. Experiment proved that no digital resource called bitcoin exists in the system. You cannot show it. No one can. Numbers are fake. No real amount is represented with them. Just admit the fact that the system is Ponzi scheme and that's it. No need to beat a dead horse.
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
July 20, 2022, 03:51:06 PM
You can't call bitcoin a crypto ....

sr. member
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Hurrah for Karamazov!
July 20, 2022, 03:24:58 PM
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hat’s why Bitcoin system is not a payment system. And now, a fan fact. Not only that Nakamoto’s tokens cannot provide utility to their holders. But the holders cannot even show the tokens. All that they can show are numbers in their wallets that represent the amount of the tokens.

I have been doing freelancing gigs lately. Guess how people pay me? Through crypto [highlighted to help out edgycorner.. you can thank me later.]Smiley

Paypal has a 10% fee in my country, international bank transfer takes weeks, other payment methods are equally incompetent or riddled with unnecessary fees.
But bitcoins and crypto [highlighted to help out edgycorner.. you can thank me later.]? I get paid instantly, I can convert it to FIAT whenever need be or hodl or convert it into something more stable  Tongue

Your arguments are flawed and outdated.

Fuck shitcoins.. we are not talking about shitcoins in this thread.
Bitcoin ain't shitcoin tho.

Do I need to highlight what you wrote?  [ok.. I did. you can thank me later.]

and  Huh ? FYI: Bitcoin is a crypto

There should be no real need for me to repeat myself on this point, and I am not claiming to be any kind of omniscient person, either...
 

At the same time, some of the burden remains on you (edgycorner) to consider your own ways of thinking and communicating about bitcoin-related matters, refusal to appreciate bitcoin's dominance and prominence (through language), and even your choices to get defensive (take matters personally) and to go on the offensive regarding such passion that you want to argue "technically bitcoin blah blah blah" nonsense).....

Sure dude, read your first reply to me.

When I was pointing out bitcoin's utility. Look how you reacted. You probably didn't even read it until later Smiley

I quoted it.. so there is no ambiguity regarding what you said.


The burden is on you. You started with disrespect on something that wasn't even my point.

You used the term crypto..

You typed it not me.

"Refusal to appreciate bitcoin's dominance"
Point where I said this or anything near to it. You are a dumb man and definitely schizo.

And be respectful when you are quoting someone, else you won't receive any in return either.

So long kiddo. Learn to read till then.

You choose whether and how to respond.. That's your choice.

TIL: You can't call bitcoin a crypto or this guy will get mad
Okay genius
legendary
Activity: 3696
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
July 20, 2022, 03:22:52 PM
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hat’s why Bitcoin system is not a payment system. And now, a fan fact. Not only that Nakamoto’s tokens cannot provide utility to their holders. But the holders cannot even show the tokens. All that they can show are numbers in their wallets that represent the amount of the tokens.

I have been doing freelancing gigs lately. Guess how people pay me? Through crypto [highlighted to help out edgycorner.. you can thank me later.]Smiley

Paypal has a 10% fee in my country, international bank transfer takes weeks, other payment methods are equally incompetent or riddled with unnecessary fees.
But bitcoins and crypto [highlighted to help out edgycorner.. you can thank me later.]? I get paid instantly, I can convert it to FIAT whenever need be or hodl or convert it into something more stable  Tongue

Your arguments are flawed and outdated.

Fuck shitcoins.. we are not talking about shitcoins in this thread.
Bitcoin ain't shitcoin tho.

Do I need to highlight what you wrote?  [ok.. I did. you can thank me later.]

and  Huh ? FYI: Bitcoin is a crypto

There should be no real need for me to repeat myself on this point, and I am not claiming to be any kind of omniscient person, either...
 

At the same time, some of the burden remains on you (edgycorner) to consider your own ways of thinking and communicating about bitcoin-related matters, refusal to appreciate bitcoin's dominance and prominence (through language), and even your choices to get defensive (take matters personally) and to go on the offensive regarding such passion that you want to argue "technically bitcoin blah blah blah" nonsense).....

Sure dude, read your first reply to me.

When I was pointing out bitcoin's utility. Look how you reacted. You probably didn't even read it until later Smiley

I quoted it.. so there is no ambiguity regarding what you said.


The burden is on you. You started with disrespect on something that wasn't even my point.

You used the term crypto..

You typed it not me.

"Refusal to appreciate bitcoin's dominance"
Point where I said this or anything near to it. You are a dumb man and definitely schizo.

And be respectful when you are quoting someone, else you won't receive any in return either.

So long kiddo. Learn to read till then.

You choose whether and how to respond.. That's your choice.

[edited out]
You're also an expert for ignoring the topic at hand.

Generally speaking, from your various framings, the topic seems to be the multitude of ways that bitcoin is not valuable, and just like others here, mostly I have been providing responses against your various propositions.

Keep up the good work.

I will try.  Thanks.
hero member
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Always Act Smart and Play Safe With Your Funds
July 20, 2022, 12:16:40 PM
In this context there is nothing to be done by any to stop mass the acceptance of bitcoin.
But i will say what will be your aim trying to convince people around globe calling bitcoin a scam or a bait just as you have said and in what contribution those this post has to offer over here?
I have come to see your comparism but it does not looks rational or logical were you trying to give an example with banknotes, secondly you don't expect Bitcoin price to be static so the price varies.
Have you also compared it to Stock Exchange And why do you believe in that?
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武士道
July 20, 2022, 05:09:37 AM
You see how nicely have you ignored my claim, again. That's all you do.
I would love to have a discussion about your claim, but you’re not here to discuss in the first place. So either show me you’re able to do it or i won’t waste my time.
hero member
Activity: 1176
Merit: 647
I rather die on my feet than to live on my knees
July 19, 2022, 05:42:01 PM
Those are your fantasies, not my claims. My claim is pretty simple: there's no digital resource or asset called bitcoin in the bitcoin system. I gave pretty simple experiment in the OP to demonstrate that. You all completely ignore the topic at hand and just engage in ad hominem attacks. The most common is this" "You don't understand bitcoin...".

So, there's nothing for me to address. Your opinions on me are not the topic here.
You changed your claims multiple times, you tried everything you can, but all of it got disproven. And then you just come up with another claim. And now your last resort is calling people cultists again, but if you understood how decentralized Bitcoin is this doesn’t even make sense and just shows that you indeed have no clue what’s going on. And nah people don’t read from the same book, they verify individually, people here are not even linked to each other. We don’t even know each other or have ever talked with each other before. Just verify everything individually, that is the only way to get it. You won’t get around education to understand Bitcoin, that’s the real problem here for the haters. Because they’re unable or lazy to do it. But it’s positive for Bitcoin as it keeps the people out, that just won’t take the time study it, naturally. So we will reach higher quality results in the end, as you can’t fake your way in.

You see how nicely have you ignored my claim, again. That's all you do. You're fantasizing about me and ignoring the topic at hand. Majority of your bitcoiners do exactly the same. There's nothing for me to respond. I'm just editing my OP towards simplicity because I see you're unable to comprehend generic economic concepts.

How can you say that we don't understand basic economic concepts? You are the one demonstrating you don't know much about those concepts. It's clear you misunderstand them all and showing complete lack of understanding of the Bitcoin network.



Stop editing your OP you dipshit twat.

If you feel that there are some points that you want to revise or to bring into the conversation or to highlight, then make those highlights and repetitions within the context of the thread...

As I have already mentioned to you a few times, there is no obligation for guys (whether yours truly or anyone else) to have to go back and read your OP and to see what they latest upgrade in your changing a "the" to an "a" or whatever other dumb changes that you might have made in the supposed "latest and greatest" update.. .. .. especially if you are continuously revising it.. as you seem to be saying every few pages of this thread.. "oh by the way, I revised the OP again.. blah blah blah"..

Grow the fuck up, Snowshow.. if that is possible?   I have my doubts.. hahahhaha.. that leads me to imagining running into you in person.. and oh my god, what an image that presents..   Shocked Shocked Shocked.. it's not a pretty one, at least in my head.. . #justsaying  Can you wipe those crumbs off your beard by the way? You should not be eating those crumbs again later, anyhow...  and tuck your shirt in too.. It looks better..   brushing your teeth wouldn't kill anyone, would it? hahahahahaha
You're also an expert for ignoring the topic at hand. Keep up the good work.

Again, you're saying something that perfectly reflects your behaviour/reactions. You're transposing your behaviour onto others! But people here is a bit smater than that! Everyone sees what you're trying to do!
jr. member
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July 19, 2022, 03:30:27 PM

Stop editing your OP you dipshit twat.

If you feel that there are some points that you want to revise or to bring into the conversation or to highlight, then make those highlights and repetitions within the context of the thread...

As I have already mentioned to you a few times, there is no obligation for guys (whether yours truly or anyone else) to have to go back and read your OP and to see what they latest upgrade in your changing a "the" to an "a" or whatever other dumb changes that you might have made in the supposed "latest and greatest" update.. .. .. especially if you are continuously revising it.. as you seem to be saying every few pages of this thread.. "oh by the way, I revised the OP again.. blah blah blah"..

Grow the fuck up, Snowshow.. if that is possible?   I have my doubts.. hahahhaha.. that leads me to imagining running into you in person.. and oh my god, what an image that presents..   Shocked Shocked Shocked.. it's not a pretty one, at least in my head.. . #justsaying  Can you wipe those crumbs off your beard by the way? You should not be eating those crumbs again later, anyhow...  and tuck your shirt in too.. It looks better..   brushing your teeth wouldn't kill anyone, would it? hahahahahaha
You're also an expert for ignoring the topic at hand. Keep up the good work.
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