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Quote from: Richdoom on September 29, 2020, 01:31:30 AM

I experienced something heart broken here as a newbie couple of weeks ago. Yes I understand the fact these platform/Forum have rules governing it but as humans we are prone to make mistakes and take correction. I wrote a topic here couple of weeks ago and someone I sopose to be a serious member of these forum reported my post for plagiarism, reasons being he/she highlights some line of my sentence and claimed it’s copy and paste,that action cost me a lost. There are better ways to correct and guide a newbie or beginners without having to condemn their post, We aren’t robot we all humans and we rise by lifting others. Please our senior members and legends should look into these or probably initiate a means to educate newbies and beginners so we don’t fall victim always while trying to create our own post just like other members of the forum.

Oops, I don't know what to feel reading this one, felt cringy that it sounded like OP is trying to gain our sympathy but like someone already said, he again committed a mistake to deserve a ban once again. Just like you said we are all human and we commit mistakes, and as a human, we should accept our mistake and at the same time accept the punishment of that mistake. But what you did is commit another mistake just to explain yourselves and try to gain sympathy with it. It sounded like you are condemning the moderators with the actions they did to you, forgetting that you are the one who committed the mistake in the first place.

I think the best thing you can do is accept that you did it wrong, learn from it, accept the punishment of your actions, then do better next time, not only in this forum but in the real world. Learning the hard way. At least you've learned that plagiarism is never okay in any platform in the world.

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You are trying to make the readers emotional but if mods start behaving on emotions and not on logic, the forum will be affected badly. Rules are rules.

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Quote from: Assface16678 on October 01, 2020, 08:21:50 AM

According to our rules.

We are prohibited
Plagiarism - this is a serious part because even in the reality we need to give a credit to the original author if you want to avoid this kind of action it's better to quote the author and drop the reference link it's not hard right? It's better than copy-pasting all of the contents.
Ban evasion - the previous member must be prevented to create another account if the main account is already banned. Instead, you can appeal and visit our meta to check it out.

Learning with the forum takes a lot of time allotment but this is useless if you got banned. There are a lot of things you will realize on our forum just take it easy and enjoy learning.

There are some mistakes in which you never get a second chance and your account is permanently banned. Plagiarism is one of those big mistake which should be avoided at all cost. All forms of Plagiarism is prohibited including not mentioning the author name or using any text spinning service.

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Hey dude, you should have learnt from your first mistake, in every forum, there are guidelines that shapes users and and that's the first thing you would have asked for, a newly registrants came in as a naked human, we are human and can only survive by asking questions which guides you.
Another important thing I'm going to tell you is practice the patter of reading before posting, it would have been better o fake at least a month to read through all the boards before you start posting, just be in yourself, air out your opinion your own, no body is going laugh you to scorn, its better now that you known the important ban factor. Be smart in this your new account.

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on October 02, 2020, 11:33:10 AM

Several days have passed since the publication of the OP on the 29th. And as I can see, this account is still not listed as a banned account. Really none of the above respondents informed the moderators about the evasion of the ban?

Was about airing my views on similar worries after reading most replies on the post before seeing your post. It seems the respondent were more concerned about getting rewarded for giving out one of the best advice without evening noticing the second offend the OP is commiting that's very clear from his statement above.

I believe banned accounts gets a direction in what to do in having a chance of appealing their banned but instead of the OP to follow the rules again, he/she creates another account and proceed to breaking another forum rules. Who knows how many of these accounts he/she has on the forum. Just saw he was active yesterday (2nd October) which means the account is still active but hopefully that won't be for long as I have just brought the attention of the moderator the this thread.

The behavior of the OP doesn't show any remorse for what he/she has done and don't think he/she will be of any use to the forum as the typical thing that should have been done was to go read the rules of the forum and try avoiding breaking other rules (like ban evasion) then proceed to appealing as the ban emails highlights.

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Several days have passed since the publication of the OP on the 29th. And as I can see, this account is still not listed as a banned account. Really none of the above respondents informed the moderators about the evasion of the ban?

Instead of understanding the reason for his first ban (or maybe not the first one), a person creates a second account and continues to post on the forum. After only a while, he gives advice on how to properly handle Newbies.

It seems ridiculous to me. Probably the rules exist for everyone. If someone is lazy to respect the community and read a few points, then why does the community treat them as weak? What can such a person achieve if initially they are led by the handle? Maybe give him time to grow up offline?

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Quote from: mk4 on September 29, 2020, 02:56:25 AM

“Ignorance of the law is no excuse”

You committed plagiarism, hence you got banned. You would've known that rule if you actually read the Unofficial Bitcointalk rules, which is frequently mentioned in this forum. It might be quite a harsh rule, but it's a necessary one.

Very well said, when you're trying to enter a forum, the first thing that you should do is to feed your knowledge about the rules and regulations in the said forum.

If you will keep yourself ignorant about that, then you're most likely to commit mistakes and violate the rules without you knowing that the forum has it. Getting banned is a worse punishment here in this forum, always practice constructing your thoughts in your mind and put it into words, that's not hard to do especially if you are aware about plagiarism.

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According to our rules.

We are prohibited
Plagiarism - this is a serious part because even in the reality we need to give a credit to the original author if you want to avoid this kind of action it's better to quote the author and drop the reference link it's not hard right? It's better than copy-pasting all of the contents.
Ban evasion - the previous member must be prevented to create another account if the main account is already banned. Instead, you can appeal and visit our meta to check it out.

Learning with the forum takes a lot of time allotment but this is useless if you got banned. There are a lot of things you will realize on our forum just take it easy and enjoy learning.

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Quote from: mocacinno on September 29, 2020, 01:37:03 AM

Since you said this happened a couple weeks ago, and this account was created less than a week ago, i can only conclude you created a new account after your first account was banned.

Wow that was a nice catch there Wink

But all the same copying a text from an author without inserting link to his work is direct plagiarism with is punishable with a temporary or permanent ban if I'm not mistaken.

Quote from: Richdoom on September 29, 2020, 01:31:30 AM

There are better ways to correct and guide a newbie or beginners without having to condemn their post

Yeah I agree with you on that note, but coming to think of it that's is why our superiors have made those topics to help correct the misguided newcomers like ourselves.
You can check the topics at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcointalk-sticky-threads-newbies-read-before-starting-5279088 and I strongly wish other newbies should learn from this thread

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You should take your time here to learn and ensure everything as you wanted. Newbie are usually careless and do not care what will happen next as they learn towards the process (half bake) which is more dangerous than no learning at all.

Just take an example of the story of a janitor who wishes to fly an airplane.

Janitor clean inside the airplane and see a manual on how to fly an airplane.
Janitor open it and on the first page it say that to fly the airplane press the green button to turn the wheels of the airplane.
The janitor press the green button and happy to see that the airplane start running on its own.
Next step to fly the airplane press the yellow button.
Then the janitor press the yellow button and the airplane flies.
The janitor was happy with the airplane flying in the sky then decided to make a landing for the airplane.
The janitor open the next page and it said for the next tutorial on how to land the airplane please buy the 2nd manual on how to landing the airplane.

Half bake learning is more dangerous than no learning and this is why if you are new in the forum must consider to learn first and resolve confusions before making an attempt to proceed into application.

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Quote from: Richdoom on September 29, 2020, 01:31:30 AM

I experienced something heart broken here as a newbie couple of weeks ago. Yes I understand the fact these platform/Forum have rules governing it but as humans we are prone to make mistakes and take correction. I wrote a topic here couple of weeks ago and someone I sopose to be a serious member of these forum reported my post for plagiarism, reasons being he/she highlights some line of my sentence and claimed it’s copy and paste,that action cost me a lost. There are better ways to correct and guide a newbie or beginners without having to condemn their post, We aren’t robot we all humans and we rise by lifting others. Please our senior members and legends should look into these or probably initiate a means to educate newbies and beginners so we don’t fall victim always while trying to create our own post just like other members of the forum.

In the first place, you should know already the rules of the forum, ignorance is not an excuse.

Something like plagiarism could easily be identified if he underlined the lines that you plagiarise, and you could probably make a complaint if it is not plagiarised.

A lot of times newbies are not really newbies but just alt account here in the forum so plagiarism is just a big rule that the forum should be strict. If you really do plagiarise then it's your fault that you get banned in the forum.

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I think one of the most common beginners' mistakes is the chase of easy money, people must understand the money doesn't grow in trees. That's why tons of scams still working with simple schemes like, 'I will double your money' or 'Make a depo and you will be able to withdraw your $50,000'.

Users need to understand bitcoin is money, to make bitcoin they have to work because no one will be out there just giving away their money.

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Quote from: Richdoom on September 29, 2020, 01:31:30 AM

I experienced something heart broken here as a newbie couple of weeks ago. Yes I understand the fact these platform/Forum have rules governing it but as humans we are prone to make mistakes and take correction. I wrote a topic here couple of weeks ago and someone I sopose to be a serious member of these forum reported my post for plagiarism, reasons being he/she highlights some line of my sentence and claimed it’s copy and paste,that action cost me a lost. There are better ways to correct and guide a newbie or beginners without having to condemn their post, We aren’t robot we all humans and we rise by lifting others. Please our senior members and legends should look into these or probably initiate a means to educate newbies and beginners so we don’t fall victim always while trying to create our own post just like other members of the forum.

That is while I keep on emphasising observation and correction, I wants to take these in two dimensions
A) observation: as newbie or beginner we have to study the environment we find ourself very well before associating, because if fails to observe or study the system we shall keep on making mistakes.
The first thing we have to do after registry account with bitcointalk community is to look for the protocol of the forum to avoid plagiarism, because the protocol educates the vital rules everyone abide.

B) Correction: corrections or to educate someone is not all about reporting someone post which we know that the person is a baby to the community, we have two ways to correct someone from my views, (a) if we notice errors from someones post we can correct by giving the person a personal message which is (pm) I believe the person can never forget it through out the existence of the forum.
b) quote: if you quote someone and express your feelings automatically the person will surely understand your text and pickup corrections.

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Just to clarify, an account that is nuked is also permanently banned. The difference is that, in case an account is nuked, it additionally gets all its posts deleted, effectively returning the account to Brand New.

Accounts can only be nuked in certain conditions:

Quote from: malevolent on May 20, 2019, 04:16:41 PM

<…> Regular mods can ban Newbies if they haven't been whitelisted by another mod, don't have Copper membership (IIRC), and have less than 150 posts or less than 30 posts if they have earned at least 1 merit.

I believe the above is the criteria for an account to be eligible for Nuking (even though the quote states the term "ban" and not "nuke").

Nuking is not mandatory if the conditions are met: if an account is eligible, it may not be nuked for example, let’s say, if it is related to some type of scam or is spreading malware. The idea is not to delete the evidence if it is worth keeping as a reference.

For further details, see: Division of Powers.

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Quote from: tranthidung on September 29, 2020, 10:46:55 AM

Quote from: Jawhead999 on September 29, 2020, 05:56:35 AM

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Is it real?

Plagiarism, even one time, when is detected will result in permanent ban ^{[1] [2]}. I am not sure that if you are newbie or low rank members you will be free from permanent ban if you make your first plagiarism.

This is some example

Quote from: mole0815 on February 18, 2020, 05:16:03 AM

Quote from: Ridwan Fauzi on February 16, 2020, 01:49:55 AM

Please ban this newbie account CryptoJack101 he/she has plagiarized the content without any source

nuked

Quote from: Lafu on February 17, 2020, 10:08:03 AM

User : mokbor please ban that User for plagiarism

banned

Quote from: 20kevin20 on February 17, 2020, 02:00:47 PM

Accused user: PreciousTheo

Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on February 18, 2020, 03:58:31 AM

Plagiarist: PreciousTheo

nuked

The first guy is newbie account and only got nuked.
The second guy also a newbie account, but he got banned instead of nuked. Because the post is high potential containing malware Archived post
And the last guy only got nuked.

Well, this is just my comprehension as I read on this thread Report plagiarism (copy/pasting) here. Calling for Mod action: please permban
Since I'm not a mod, so I don't really know the terms and provisions of getting nuked or banned due to plagiarism.

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Quote from: Richdoom on September 29, 2020, 02:32:29 AM

There are more Newbies and beginners who will make same mistakes and my sole purpose for these post is to educate them or rather create the awareness to them. That the forum have rules and regulations governing it that they should always endeavor to read all possible information about the forum and have full understanding before commencing. There are many to learn here and I’m glad to be here to educate myself more about Cryptocurrency and help in my own little way to improve Cryptocurrency. I learnt my lesson the hard way and wish to be help other newbies and beginners not to encounter the same mistake. I hope to be a better member of these forum.

The irony of your sentence is commendable, you said that you want others to learn something about your mistakes thus you create this post, but as you create this post, you expose yourself to another offense which is the Ban Evasion. The way you educate others is no means of education. You must be one of the example you are talking to before taking it to somebody else. and since you mention newbie and beginners, I think that plagiarism is the most common rule when it comes to forums, blogs, journals and any other forms of literature. Any other rules are always pinned in every section of the forum. ergo you don't have anything in your disposal to prove you not to be guilty.

But I do acknowledge your dedication to improve your ways to learn about cryptocurrency in any little way you can.

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There is no where in the world were the rules are going to be bent to suit ignorance, especially when the materials to cure ignorance is at your disposal. This is why we have a sticky or pinned thread always at the top of every board, to serve as a therapy for ignorance and first education. Or perhaps the pinned post isn't 'click bait' enough then, it could be looked into.
The admin is not a bot and so, we together not excluding even you have to do our best not to mess up the community. If the rules are bent for as much as one person, then the compromise begins and is sure to continue and our once stable community will be shaken.
This is some of the unique qualities of the forum, fairness. It judges every user with the same rules and principles.

Again, the forum does not support creating alts as you have done . This could be considered a ban evasion and with the way your going about treating your issue, you might be liable for yet another ban. If a material is used in course of a publication, you've just got to reference it in your source. It's that simple.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on September 29, 2020, 05:56:35 AM

To be honest mods doesn't always banning an account if they caught you're doing plagiarism. A newbie account usually got nuked/temporary ban instead of banned since mods still gave him one more chance.

But, for some reason mods will banned quickly if the account is bring negative vibes, repeating his fault, too much plagiarism post etc.

Is it real?

Plagiarism, even one time, when is detected will result in permanent ban ^{[1] [2]}. I am not sure that if you are newbie or low rank members you will be free from permanent ban if you make your first plagiarism.

What I know is different and I guess it is what you recalled inaccurately.

After get permanent ban because of plagiarism, people are allowed to make ban appeal
The prob of ban appeal to be accepted will depend on
- Net effects: how that user contributes on the forum before that ban.
- How many times that user make plagiarism (It looks like what you recalled inaccurately)

In reality, when one user break rule of plagiarism, it is usually a plagiarism habit and more than one plagiarism post will be found.

Quote from: theymos on September 23, 2018, 03:58:25 PM

Plagiarism: If you copy some text from somewhere, then you should have a good reason for it, and you must link to the source. Doing otherwise is plagiarism. Changing a few words around doesn't matter. If we find that you plagiarized, then you absolutely will be permanently banned, even if we find it years after you did it.

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^[2] theymos

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Well, we have once newborn before now and made some bad decisions which after then made a u-turn for the very best of our activities on the forum. You might have been warned before the ban but couldn't listened for this action, hope your coming back will be a lesson learnt from the past and restructure your mindset now. Is a common thing beginners make mistakes around the forum but change from be bad to good is the happiness of all.

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