Benchmark [P2Pool vs btcGuild vs Eligius] - page 4.

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Quote from: cr1776 on March 04, 2014, 10:49:12 AM

Quote from: jedimstr on March 04, 2014, 05:30:19 AM

Quote from: bitcoin_miner on March 04, 2014, 02:49:56 AM

I known :
btcGuild is btcGuild.com
Eligius is Eligius.st

P2Pool which website? P2Pool.in or P2Pool.org?

P2pool can be through any public node or your own personal node, they all connect together into one large pool.

Public nodes: http://p2pool-nodes.info/

http://p2pool.in/ is the main info site for setting up p2pool node yourself.

P2pool.org is a fake p2pool (as noted in the small text on bottom of the site, "not affiliated with p2pool and forrestv". They just took advantage of the name).

Elizium.name is a popular public p2pool node... And I have a public node listed in my sig.

Just a point of clarification, I believe that p2pool.org is a node in the p2pool network given the software being used, the network hash rate shown the comments from p2pool.org in the p2pool software section. The statement in their footer is just clarifying that they are not forrestv nor the home of the p2pool software - unless of course their stats etc are all fake.

There are a number of public p2pool nodes as you say.

I'm just going by the common "wisdom" that gets passed around the forums and reddit every few weeks/months:
http://www.reddit.com/r/litecoinmining/comments/1vizp3/psa_p2poolorg_is_not_the_real_p2pool/
I see posts like this all the time...

If they're a valid node, they really should re-evaluate their disclaimer. Saying they don't represent p2pool and forrestv, but are a valid node of the P2Pool network for the various coins they support would be much better than saying, "not affiliated with p2pool and forrestv" which gives a connotation of being totally separate from the rest of the P2Pool network.

It's much clearer with your p2pool.com in your sig.

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Quote from: jedimstr on March 04, 2014, 05:30:19 AM

Quote from: bitcoin_miner on March 04, 2014, 02:49:56 AM

I known :
btcGuild is btcGuild.com
Eligius is Eligius.st

P2Pool which website? P2Pool.in or P2Pool.org?

P2pool can be through any public node or your own personal node, they all connect together into one large pool.

Public nodes: http://p2pool-nodes.info/

http://p2pool.in/ is the main info site for setting up p2pool node yourself.

P2pool.org is a fake p2pool (as noted in the small text on bottom of the site, "not affiliated with p2pool and forrestv". They just took advantage of the name).

Elizium.name is a popular public p2pool node... And I have a public node listed in my sig.

Just a point of clarification, I believe that p2pool.org is a node in the p2pool network given the software being used, the network hash rate shown the comments from p2pool.org in the p2pool software section. The statement in their footer is just clarifying that they are not forrestv nor the home of the p2pool software - unless of course their stats etc are all fake.

There are a number of public p2pool nodes as you say.

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Quote from: jedimstr on March 04, 2014, 05:30:19 AM

Quote from: bitcoin_miner on March 04, 2014, 02:49:56 AM

I known :
btcGuild is btcGuild.com
Eligius is Eligius.st

P2Pool which website? P2Pool.in or P2Pool.org?

P2pool can be through any public node or your own personal node, they all connect together into one large pool.

Public nodes: http://p2pool-nodes.info/

http://p2pool.in/ is the main info site for setting up p2pool node yourself.

P2pool.org is a fake p2pool (as noted in the small text on bottom of the site, "not affiliated with p2pool and forrestv". They just took advantage of the name).

Elizium.name is a popular public p2pool node... And I have a public node listed in my sig.

many thanks. will try for this pool

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Quote from: bitcoin_miner on March 04, 2014, 02:49:56 AM

I known :
btcGuild is btcGuild.com
Eligius is Eligius.st

P2Pool which website? P2Pool.in or P2Pool.org?

P2pool can be through any public node or your own personal node, they all connect together into one large pool.

Public nodes: http://p2pool-nodes.info/

http://p2pool.in/ is the main info site for setting up p2pool node yourself.

P2pool.org is a fake p2pool (as noted in the small text on bottom of the site, "not affiliated with p2pool and forrestv". They just took advantage of the name).

Elizium.name is a popular public p2pool node... And I have a public node listed in my sig.

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I known :
btcGuild is btcGuild.com
Eligius is Eligius.st

P2Pool which website? P2Pool.in or P2Pool.org?

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Nice im working on setting up a pool and found ur test very helpful

jedimstr

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Great benchmark thread.
Any chance you could throw GHash.io into the mix?

I know, I know, we don't want to have the same "oh noes GHash.io is gonna take over the network PANIC" we recently had, but hear me out. If we had a reasoned and documented benchmark like you're doing here that compared the top pools like BTCGuild and GHash.io with p2pool and spread word of this on Reddit and elsewhere, given positive results for p2pool in comparison, we may be able to sway some hashpower to public or local nodes of p2pool. Just a few switch overs could make a decent difference in the overall health of the Network. P2pool has been suffering from lack of overall hashpower vs the rest of the network and has been relatively flat in growth for a long while now.

That said I still think BTCGuild is the best centralized pool overall and Eleuthuria does an outstanding job that's well worth the 3%. He's always top of the list for my failover pools.

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This is a cool test, and I know a lot of people appreciate seeing the results. It will take a long time to be useful!

semaster

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next round and next results
15-28 Feb 2014: p2pool - BTC2.5711 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC2.4763 VS Eligius BTC2.0456

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Quote from: semaster on February 15, 2014, 06:40:46 AM

3) 7) and 15) - that IS NOT Newly Generated Coins.
Ok. I will check it, but I counted only Newly Generated Coins

15) https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5112997
7) https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5011069
3) No post about 3) but coins are sent from 1StatsQytc7UEZ9sHJ9BGX2csmkj8XZr2

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-wizkid057
Donations/Tips appreciated: 1StatsQytc7UEZ9sHJ9BGX2csmkj8XZr2

Thanks for your tests. I'll wait for Round 3 Wink

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Quote from: semaster on February 15, 2014, 06:40:46 AM

Quote from: fsb4000 on February 15, 2014, 06:24:20 AM

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All time total payout: 2.51377786 BTC

...
3) 0.19437356
...
7)0.24787598
...
15) 0.06885736

3) 7) and 15) - that IS NOT Newly Generated Coins.
Ok. I will check it, but I counted only Newly Generated Coins

Sometimes (ex. when payout queue is very long) wizkid057 would make manual payout with normal transaction,
it is not unusual.

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Quote from: fsb4000 on February 15, 2014, 06:24:20 AM

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All time total payout: 2.51377786 BTC

...
3) 0.19437356
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7)0.24787598
...
15) 0.06885736

3) 7) and 15) - that IS NOT Newly Generated Coins.
Ok. I will check it, but I counted only Newly Generated Coins

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All time total payout: 2.51377786 BTC

1) 0.15608154
2) 0.20667
1 + 2 = 0,36275154
3) 0.19437356
1 + 2 + 3 = 0,5571251
4)0.17318455
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 = 0,73030965
5) 0.19869417
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 +5 = 0,92900382
6)0.21350745
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 = 1,14251127
7)0.24787598
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 = 1,39038725
8) 0.04373622
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 = 1,43412347
9) 0.06442454
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 = 1,49854801
10)0.07013746
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 + 10 = 1,56868547
11) 0.10336816
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 + 10 + 11 = 1,67205363
12) 0.13202596
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 + 10 + 11 + 12 = 1,80407959
13) 0.15712258
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 + 10 + 11 + 12 + 13 = 1,96120217
14) 0.20398982
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 + 10 + 11 + 12 + 13 + 14 = 2,16519199
15) 0.06885736
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 + 10 + 11 + 12 + 13 + 14 + 15 = 2,23404935
16) 0.05058486
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 + 10 + 11 + 12 + 13 + 14 + 15 + 16 = 2,28463421
17) 0.09247559
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 + 10 + 11 + 12 + 13 + 14 + 15 + 16 + 17 = 2,3771098
18) 0.13666806
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 + 10 + 11 + 12 + 13 + 14 + 15 + 16 + 17 + 18 = 2,51377786
Q.E.D.

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Quote from: fsb4000 on February 15, 2014, 05:52:47 AM

Quote from: semaster on February 15, 2014, 04:11:55 AM

Strange thing with eligius.st - on stats page eligius reports BTC2.5137 but real payout for the to address is only 2.0026

I see ~2.5137 BTC payout(first tx 2014-02-02 12:28:51, last 2014-02-14 20:41:16)
Did you count these tx:
1) https://blockchain.info/ru/tx/ef086bf7ee8a8742fe16a14ac0f3535293d8fe5e8ae0331357508b60e4d99e52
2) https://blockchain.info/ru/tx/7a7170a1014dd3295512bf52040a244a032d9db7742697293afd4cae06ad9b27
3) https://blockchain.info/ru/tx/89fea198c9a8e7daeccdf7005bea2bccc8507d14faafceeed8efe10f0d9e2ddd
?

here are incomes from mining on eligius (https://blockchain.info/address/1N8SATrJGSFCX1E1SuH8DgjMy4QTKy2uP7?filter=2)

Code:

2014-02-14T23:40:41	0.13666806	914e71227e3160af06108f4db8e9f9be576a18a9c2f5fe8aee50ce495346c056
2014-02-14T04:40:58	0.09247559	f30d4e5f2a70566f38eeb3ddc1eddbaf514daa3093757695460b88bcf8735ad7
2014-02-13T15:44:22	0.05058486	da7ed7a0fb2c47382ccea8ef5b5cdbffa2923fce58fe72c3b7ff019a6e2997f3
2014-02-13T01:07:46	0.20398982	fb0cde368061f631299caea355957fe598410657f54e4964445954c7ad9eb106
2014-02-11T17:47:56	0.15712258	71d9090f4a97cdf6beaba136eea111450f98cd75795ea6fc825f5ecb4e440be3
2014-02-11T17:47:56	0.13202596	fdcb66d7d64927eb7ba54252efefc44f88d0f9b6c8f6afea19a122f05a5afb56
2014-02-11T17:47:56	0.10336816	e508774070cbaa7bb6634f75fc8a2ff3a51b8a29e2bd3da449287ef09fd67f7f
2014-02-11T17:47:56	0.07013746	eb3976534fe21617a321d1e9d213baacc8d491d7d844fea6e261c4573e60ae65
2014-02-08T20:36:25	0.06442454	88406f9c5d9b0f0d3dd474dc75e0bd3f839d45ed0cde355c344da9db4c3fe2c6
2014-02-08T12:03:24	0.04373622	fd8e3a259b8eea1e939fbb6fdf6aecb1461751d323a77e95fd2a2dbd029bcc0b
2014-02-07T19:24:41	0.21350745	a7f02ad95de95c5f3a17750125beb71cf527abeb5ede08283bb4cc323afec30b
2014-02-06T01:31:40	0.19869417	708cc1fb16551440beea163175b7368203d903e65f3b2cc37dd74919a18bc716
2014-02-05T05:16:41	0.17318455	d445a08a119735f134b8d3c38131ff53456c0b04e0cc01d1c49e6266e4af74ac
2014-02-03T14:33:24	0.20667	      974bf04f7abe944d783cbd4aacdda68f529ca16c5865b7a5d81017de4d61ed7b
2014-02-02T15:27:36	0.15608154	f136e17921ada79c9d875a5a9623a01a05dc294dfc76d0a31c2d72b5fbfaa405

I started benchmark on eligius from 1 Feb - income to that address for this period is 2.0026 while eligius stats page reports 2.5137

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Quote from: semaster on February 15, 2014, 04:11:55 AM

Strange thing with eligius.st - on stats page eligius reports BTC2.5137 but real payout for the to address is only 2.0026

I see ~2.5137 BTC payout(first tx 2014-02-02 12:28:51, last 2014-02-14 20:41:16)
Did you count these tx:
1) https://blockchain.info/ru/tx/ef086bf7ee8a8742fe16a14ac0f3535293d8fe5e8ae0331357508b60e4d99e52
2) https://blockchain.info/ru/tx/7a7170a1014dd3295512bf52040a244a032d9db7742697293afd4cae06ad9b27
3) https://blockchain.info/ru/tx/89fea198c9a8e7daeccdf7005bea2bccc8507d14faafceeed8efe10f0d9e2ddd
?

semaster

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Here is result of next round benchmark
1-14 Feb 2014: p2pool - BTC3.2248 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC2.7164 VS Eligius BTC2.5137

As we can see this period p2pool is in favor.
Strange thing with eligius.st - on stats page eligius reports BTC2.5137 but real payout for the to address is only 2.0026

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Quote from: stevenf on February 11, 2014, 05:12:22 AM

So if I have 1 Antminer S1, would you suggest to use btcguild (PPLNS) ?

How about Slush pool?

The math shows that p2pool will come out better over time (plus lower fees, in theory lower orphans, mining right to your own address so no worries about lost/stolen coins), many people are impatient or haven't read enough and won't give p2pool a few months to show its benefits.

The OP is discussing doing a longer-term test to show this. Pools have plenty of variance so even if the math shows that p2pool is going to come out ahead, there are weeks where it won't. And visa versa, weeks where it would come out way ahead.

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So if I have 1 Antminer S1, would you suggest to use btcguild (PPLNS) ?

How about Slush pool?

semaster

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result of continuous benchmark is awesome Sad

Seems a big unluck on p2pool

Continuous benchmark (PPLNS) 6 antminers total 1080Gh:
from 14 Jan till 31 Jan 2014: p2pool - 2,99025045 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - 5,0158 - PPLNS in both cases

benchmark is going on.

eligius.st added to compare in next round

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Quote from: Sonny on January 28, 2014, 10:24:04 PM

Why is there no fixed costs?
The pool operates need to maintain both the software and hardware, and need to deal with problems like DDoS.

Irrelevant for the given calculators. Despite this, hosted hardware is cheap, software is easy to maintain and DDoS can be mitigated. The expenses are a very small amount of the net generated.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against people profiting from their services. I've been using BTC Guild since early '13 but I have been pondering moving some of my miners over to p2pool like the OP (which we have hijacked the thread).

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