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I left Betcoin because there was too much bug, It's been 3 months that I play on Crypto poker club and I had no problem, I find the site serious, and Mark (I think it's his name) answered me very quickly when I had a question about the ETH withdraw. I have been a player for a long time, Winamax, PokerStar ... Here is just a little message to support the team!

Just wanted to comment on this.
You haven't played with Richard_geil since he only plays eth and higher stakes than you.
He is the person who is
A. Not from the same location as me, but with the same internet provider
B. Has similar preflop (3% vpip difference is quite large) stats over a 2000 hand sample, despite me playing heads up for part of that sample.
C. Played less than 20% of his hands with me at the table.

86% of hands are played with mosty Tao_Dang at the table because we play during the same times and he sits every table (just like you, we probably played a lot together too). And the number is a lot because it was very few sessions - I'm sure he played large volume without me.

The person who you played with me at the same table is Tao_Dang who:
A. Has different login times than me.
B. Did not play 86% of his hands with me
C. Does not have similar stats to me.
D. Is from a different location

This is what I mean when I say that cryptopokerclub is twisting facts and showing partial information.

Are we friends? Yes. Is that a reason to confiscate over 10000$ worth of money from me, most of which I deposited - certainly not.
Are you saying otherwise?

In order for there to be collusion there needs to be proof, and that can only be found in handhistories, not in circumstancial evidence that only shows that people know each other and played together. Knowing someone that you play with is not a crime. Collusion is communicating while playing in order to gain an unfair advantage - this didn't happen and if it had I wouldn't be asking for the hand histories to be made public.

The accusations against cryptopokerclub are mostly about botting and collusion, and from my end about unfairly stealing user funds. I'm happy they are letting you withdraw so far - I felt quite safe/happy until they took my money as well. It's everyone's decision to make what risk they are willing to take with their money, and I sincerely hope that you don't live to regret the decision to keep money there.

Adding this just so there is no mixup about my motivations here:
If the money is ever returned (which it won't be) I would be happy for it to be held in escrow by a reputable community member and donated to charity.

Cryptopokerclub - as before you continue to ignore any points made and blatantly hide information.
Your new post pretty much adds nothing - there are both questions and allegations against you and you keep ignoring them.
You do not ban anyone without overwhelming evidence? I have yet to see ANY evidence.
Why do you continue to gain popularity if all you do is steal and scam... is such a stupid thing to write. I really have no words.
And the nerve of calling me a troll while ignoring every single thing I write and holding my money... you have to be really shameless people to do something like that.

I'll repeat again.

You've confiscated my funds without evidence. I have a list of questions for you in my reply document, as well as requests for information.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fbQ0wXlWytBk53keNE-Njf95_yyFGBYg/view

You have also been accused by multiple users of running a collusion/botting group yourselves.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/cryptopokerclub-seizing-funds-deposits-not-safe-1745287/

If you are not scamming people, take this seriously, look at my list of points, and reconsider the ban.
If you keep replying with zero information posts and ignoring the relevant questions and requests people have for you, we all know that you have nothing to say.


The email in your post btw... looks totally real. I'm sure everyone buys it.

You along with anyone else who tries to collude on our networks will be shut down permanently. We have one of the most secure poker platforms in the world with continuous improvements (https://medium.com/@CryptoPokerClub/one-of-the-most-secured-online-poker-games-ever-security-protocols-explained-b81210f184d8).

It is enlightening to receive messages such as these, attached below and proves platform security above all else. Decentralised platforms are always at risk due to hackers, cheaters, colludes attempting to gain an edge. Exchanges and other Crypto related services are also always under attack. We understand the ecosystem well and will fundamentally always protect the players first as outlined in our strenuous checks that got you and your collusion group banned in the first place (https://cryptopokerclub.io/news/E/Evidence.pdf).

In over a year of operating, we have had less than 4 cases where major accounts were banned. We do not ban anyone without overwhelming evidence. As mentioned before, this is the reason why the 3rd member in your collusion group got away without being banned. If we are such a 'scam' why was he not banned? Why do we continue to gain popularity if all we do is steal and scam?

You can continue to troll our thread all you want but at the end of the day all you are doing is wasting your time. Our traffic has never been better and your publicity stunt actually gained us more members as people realised what you tried to do and we stopped that from happening. This is the struggle that the online poker industry faces and people realise we are working hard to prevent it.



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I think he actually posted a link with a lot of people complaining about your site scamming people. Would you like to comment on the content there or rather keep ignoring it?
I'll repost in case you missed it:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/cryptopokerclub-seizing-funds-deposits-not-safe-1745287/

Funny enough someone having grammatical errors is not really a good reason to ignore what he says. Nice try.

I'll add I am also still waiting for your reply regarding my request for information. But I am assuming that will never come, correct?

I actually found a few more links I advise people to read before depositing:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4881012.20
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-crypto-poker-club-play-with-eth-or-btc-instantly-with-6k-events-4888139

Either reply or stop posting CryptoPokerClub this is a forum not an advertising billboard.

Spelling and grammatical errors throughout not to mention it being a new troll account with a very creative username. Also how can a scam be bigger than 100%? Please try again kids

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GUYS, CryptoPokerClub ITS 200% SCAM!!!
just read 2+2, all professional poker players agree, that its impossible to win there(even if you too lucky and win somehow, they will just dont pay lol)
Im not sure what exactly there happen(superaccounts that can see your cards, teamplayers or bots), but I played 5-6kk hands during my career and saw same shit only on IDN poker(cheating room with proven superaccounts)
-2k$ for me, dont be stupid and greedy like me, dont belive in their bonus(its impossible to give such bonuses and earn money for pokerroom(stupid me again, its so obvious))
DONT DEPOSIT THERE!!

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/cryptopokerclub-seizing-funds-deposits-not-safe-1745287/

It is not trolling when you confiscate funds without due procedure. You can keep ignoring it and calling it a troll as much as you want... as you said people will judge for themselves.
No need to resort to name-calling. Lets stick to the facts? I've asked for you to make certain information public and pointed out why your conclusions were wrong. Still waiting for a reply. Only reason I'm doing this in public is that you don't reply to emails. Why don't you care about the truth???

Thanks for your warm words! News information will be updated. We are looking to support more coins in the future as well as a exchanging coins inside the platform its self. This is on the roadmap along with the iOS app which should be released by the end of this year.

Aside from platform updates, we also have been releasing new competitions and bonuses every month. We started a new profit series which will be updated monthly. Check out the last one here: https://medium.com/@CryptoPokerClub/monthly-profit-series-may-2019-e0f09fea32e7

We look to improve the poker experience both from the technological perspective as well as making it more profitable for players.

As for any and all allegations/trolls - anyone is more than welcome at any point to document their entire journey of depositing, playing then withdrawing without issues. You will see that our mission is to protect players and there are never any issues unless you create one.

@Cryptopokerclub you not replying to my points shows very clearly you have no interest in the truth but only in keeping the money you stole from me.

Are you really comfortable ignoring this? Do you not care what actually happened?

Not replying to relevant points and requests to make information public looks really bad for you...

I am getting a stronger and stronger feeling you guys really need the money you confiscated from my account - was it used to develop your android app? Seems very clear you have a very strong motivation to keep it as real and relevant points have been made, any reasonable person would be worried about being wrong and take the situation seriously. Why haven't you made the handhistories public, and how can you expect anyone to trust you with the one-sided, obtuse and aggressive way you've been handling this?

As promised i see you guys have released finally. Good Job!
That looks so good, you will need also to update your post with such news information @CryptoPokerClub

By the way will there be any new currencies added to your site? Specially the main top 5 ones from coinmarketcap and so on?
Loved to hear about them from you to see. As this will boost both your site on web, windows client and android

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Your claim was "Either you are controlling both accounts or know the suspect and are working together to gain an advantage."
It's clear that I'm not controlling both accounts, as the owner of the second account has come forward and we are both well-known and thus neither of our identities is fake.
So, the other possibility remains: collusion, that we have been working together to gain an advantage.
To that end, our login times, IPs and individual play patterns are irrelevant.
The onus is on you to show that our play patterns have deviated when playing in the same table compared to when playing in different tables.
You have done nothing of the sort, so there is no basis for the accusation of gaining an advantage.

Hence, your claim is baseless. You have no reasonable basis for the assumption of collusion, and thus you are not entitled to the money in the account.
Moreover, this claim puts me at risk of reputational damage, as a person teaching others for a living. If you do not withdraw these unfounded claims, I will be forced to pursue reparations.

Attached is a point by point reply to your "evidence" document.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1fbQ0wXlWytBk53keNE-Njf95_yyFGBYg

Thanks,
Uri

Thank you Tortic that is good advice, I'll look into it. Will post a link here when the thread is ready.

I just saw this thread and I am excited to try the windows desktop software which looks similar to zynga poker.The deposit bonus I think it is still valid and I like to see the activity in this site.Many crypto gamblers are suffering from the lack of activity in crypto poker sites so I hope this one to be lively in activity.

I still can't see the "email" but assuming everything was their exact response



""with identical playing stats""
this is possible esp since they're basing it off only 3000 hands


""""we have no choice but to ban the accounts regardless of what may or may not be the case. We have very strict rules on this to preserve integrity. This is not the first or last time we will see such cases. Our reaction will always be the same. This will be our last response on this query."""

This is them admitting they may or may not have made the correct decision, and refusing to investigate it further with 16000$ on the line.
This is probably the only thing that matters

But this is still just me making assumptions, i can't verify they sent it or that if they did send it, it's exactly how they put it.

Aside from that, i see chazley made a post saying they're shady.
someone i respect and have a history with, pretty sure hes trusted by alot of people here too so that helps.

If you truly want to expose this site here's the proof i think you will need to provide.
1:A clear image of the email with the sender.

2:If you used a hud or have your hand history files those would help. they're accusing you of  similar play styles which isn't how reviewing for collusion works
You said a majority of those hands weren't played at the same tables, and collusion depends on if you played against each other or with "making folds/raises" that players wouldn't normally make otherwise.
It would help to see how many of those 3,000hands where played together, and a copy of both of your histories for those hands played together "so we could see both of your hole cards"

3: like the post on the other thread said "letters from ISP that confirms your story about the IP sharing" or activity logs to confirm that those ips where even showing the same or not and if the patterns matchup.
isp confirmation would be better then having the activity log, but if you're unable to get their cooperation i think there's a few different ways to get the activity log that could help you out.

4: leave this thread and create a scam accusation thread so the proof you provide won't be scattered in the 17pages here, and so others can share their proof that will further support your claims.

This is a link to a post containing excerpts of the emails:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/cryptopokerclub-seizing-funds-deposits-not-safe-1745287/

Please look through it and then tell me what you think. If the details in the video were hard for you to view, you should state that when replying - since it does contain all the correspondence with the site. Giving an opinion without knowing any of the details is a bit premature.

The site did not even claim that the same ip was used.

You're right i am making assumptions. The video was unreadable even at 1080p "atleast for me" so the only thing both of you have provided that i can go on is you claiming you didn't use the same ip
And if that's true it's a fact, if they where randomly banning to steal funds it wouldn't be just you 2 here
And since you both admit to being "friends" it's not a coincidence. there's only one other way they found 2 people connected and that's by being reported and investigated.
You say that they didn't review your hand history, but the video looked like it was basing everything off of a conversation with support, and ive never seen any support reveal their investigation method only the conclusion which i can only assume is what you got from that conversation "so i don't know how you're claiming your history wasn't reviewed" because i doubt they would tell you if they did or didn't.



And it does make you look more guilty because like i said above if you where using the same ip, there would be room for confusion/mistakes
I never decided you where guilty or even said you where, i said you most likely are.

this is a forum not a courtroom, honestly this is worse then your comparison of this site with pokerstars.

i have seen countless post where cheaters got caught and cried because there funds was frozen, i haven't seen any where viable proof was actually provided.

Not me or any other forum user here has the facts to say for certain you where cheating, theres too much missing.

your story relies on alot of coincidences being true and that's why "i may look like a rep" because i'm not going to side with someone whos """likely""" a cheater scamming other players while harming this sites rep.
"btw i haven't even played here before" that's why i was browsing this thread, to decide.  My current opinion is unbiased and if you post any viable proof that proves you're innocent then ill be behind you.

Hi,

My name is Ian. I am the affiliate that introduced them to the site and was hoping to bring crypto poker club traffic. They signed up before i managed to get my own affiliate account on the site. I asked to tag them to my account but was unable to do so. They were flagged for being the same person after about two week on the site. I was a player until last week on their site. I withdrew and received my funds. The way the site has handled the case has taken my confidence to play on the site and to recommend other players to play on the site.

Simple facts are a site has the right to refuse anyone's business. There is other sites that refused costumers for a number of reasons. But sites cant just confiscate funds at will and not be accountable. The site has acted above the law in regards to this case and made itself jury,judge and executioner. This is a very bad image and makes the whole crypto space look very bad.

After their accounts got banned. I approached the reps and told them the details and provided a lot of evidence that these are clearly not the same people. In return they have shown no evidence of collusion or wrong doing. All they have provided is circumstantial evidence that can easily be explained away.

This is a very bad image for the crypto space and i still hope the site can see sense and remedy the situation.