Best Privacy coins other than the big players like monero, zcash, bitcoin dark,
would be verge, intense coin, xpec, shield.
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Please check this Spectrecoin (XSPEC)
- Innovative first ever in Crypto 'Stealth Staking'
- Innovative first ever in Crypto 'Stealth Staking'
I don't know about the other claims, but that's likely vaporware given that it's an anonymous dev making the claim without any code or a whitepaper stating how he/she plans on doing it.
Top 5 Privacy Coins:
5. VERGE (XVG)
Website: https://vergecurrency.com/
Algorithm: Scrypt, x17, groestl, blake2s, & lyra2rev2
Block Time: 30 Seconds
Verge is still early in their development phase. As far as I can tell from their 'black paper' they use I2P and TOR to hide/obfuscate traffic resulting in the blockchain being fully opaque, so if you know that an address belongs to someone, you can see how 'much' he has and what transactions he has done from and to that address. As well, the black paper includes some grammatical errors which raise some mental flags to me.
With these concerns though I still see the huge potential.
"Whatever ZCash is proposing VERGE is already at it. Dash and Monero even though on huge premium prices don't come close to the anonymity you've got with Verge."
"This [Verge] is the only coin to have an electrum wallet that connects directly to i2p nodes. It's the only anonymous coin that exists today."
To be honest, I cannot believe how Verge basically went unnoticed last year while other privacy-centric currencies exploded. It is just so undervalued. Verge has a great and growing community/developer team. If I can look past the few early hiccups along the way they have huge potential at a very cheap rate currently.
4. PIVX (PIVX)
Website: https://pivx.org/
Algorithm: BTC Core 0.10.x, BIP38 Encryption/Decryption of Private Keys
Block Time: 60 Seconds
One of the new contenders in the privacy-centric cryptocurrency race goes by the name of PIVX. based on the current market cap for privacy-oriented currencies, PIVX is the fourth largest. The ecosystem works similar to Dash, as users can run master nodes to support the network. Running PIVX master nodes requires users to lock 10,000 coins into a wallet, compared to Dash’s 1,000 coin threshold. This also means a large part of the available PIVX supply is currently locked up in the master node.
PIVX also provides instant transactions through the SwiftTX implementation. The community is governing the future for this currency, rather than leaving it up to just the developers. One thing all community members are looking forward to is the future implementation of the Zerocoin protocol. This feature will improve transaction privacy even further.
3. Zcash (ZEC)
Website: https://z.cash/
Algorithm: Equihash
Block Time: 2.5 Minutes
The Zcash development team uses zero-knowledge proofs to provide anonymity for its users. A zero-knowledge proof serves to allow for both the verification and the privacy of data at the same time. In the case of Zcash, this technology is used to encrypt the sender and recipient addresses, as well as transaction amounts. At the same time, all network transactions are validated by the blockchain, just like Bitcoin.
To get a bit more technical, Zcash uses ZK-SNARKS to achieve this goal. Every transaction can contain a string of data provided by the sender – the zero-knowledge proof – as well as encrypted transaction data. This implementation also means senders can’t generate a specific string unless they own the spending key for that address. Moreover, the input values of both input and output need to be equal.
It is important to keep in mind this feature does not provide utter anonymity while using Zcash, though. It is still possible for blockchain analysts to correlate information through public transactions. Moreover, IP addresses of users are not obfuscated unless they use a routing service themselves. Personal identifiers linked to public data are not hidden by this protocol.
2. Monero (XMR)
Website: https://getmonero.org/
Algorithm: CryptoNight
Block Time: 60 Seconds
Monero has been a popular alternative cryptocurrency among enthusiasts who favor anonymity over privacy. Improved anonymity was added to the protocol just a few months ago, as Confidential Transactions were introduced in January of 2017. All of the network nodes have transitioned to accommodate for Confidential Transactions without any hitch. Ever since this implementation, the Monero price has started to rise a bit across exchanges.
Ring Confidential Transactions are designed to improve privacy and security. By bundling the sending and receiving of public keys with older network transactions, a “mixer” is created that is capable of obfuscating addresses. All of this makes blockchain analysis virtually impossible. Making Monero one of the most anonymous cryptocurrencies is still the primary objective, even though that has led to an increase in transaction size. This is not as big of a problem, though, as Monero has an adaptive block size.
On top of Ring Confidential Transactions, Monero makes use of ring signatures and Stealth addresses to hide both the sender and the receiver in a transaction. Additional anonymity and privacy features are still in development, such as the Kovri router, which can conceal the origin node for transactions in I2P. Monero positions itself as a private and optionally transparent cryptocurrency.
1. DASH (DASH)
Website: https://www.dash.org/
Algorithm: Decision Algorithm for Supportive Housing© (DASH)
Block Time: 2.5 Minutes
A lot of people feel Dash provides them with anonymity as well, thanks to the PrivateSend feature. While it is true that this feature offers privacy to users, it is not anonymous in the traditional sense. PrivateSend is an improved version of CoinJoin, enhanced by features such as decentralization and a chaining approach. A decentralized mixing service built within the Dash protocol allows the currency to remain fungible, which is one of the features Bitcoin lacks right now.
Moreover, using PrivateSend mixing requires at least three different participants which allow funds to be merged together and create obfuscated transactions. That is, assuming all users submit the same Dash denominations as inputs and outputs. There is a limit as to how much money can be sent per transaction using DarkSend, though, as the feature currently allows for 1,000 DASH per session. Additionally, several PrivateSend sessions need to be completed to achieve optimal anonymity and privacy.
5. VERGE (XVG)
Website: https://vergecurrency.com/
Algorithm: Scrypt, x17, groestl, blake2s, & lyra2rev2
Block Time: 30 Seconds
Verge is still early in their development phase. As far as I can tell from their 'black paper' they use I2P and TOR to hide/obfuscate traffic resulting in the blockchain being fully opaque, so if you know that an address belongs to someone, you can see how 'much' he has and what transactions he has done from and to that address. As well, the black paper includes some grammatical errors which raise some mental flags to me.
With these concerns though I still see the huge potential.
"Whatever ZCash is proposing VERGE is already at it. Dash and Monero even though on huge premium prices don't come close to the anonymity you've got with Verge."
"This [Verge] is the only coin to have an electrum wallet that connects directly to i2p nodes. It's the only anonymous coin that exists today."
To be honest, I cannot believe how Verge basically went unnoticed last year while other privacy-centric currencies exploded. It is just so undervalued. Verge has a great and growing community/developer team. If I can look past the few early hiccups along the way they have huge potential at a very cheap rate currently.
4. PIVX (PIVX)
Website: https://pivx.org/
Algorithm: BTC Core 0.10.x, BIP38 Encryption/Decryption of Private Keys
Block Time: 60 Seconds
One of the new contenders in the privacy-centric cryptocurrency race goes by the name of PIVX. based on the current market cap for privacy-oriented currencies, PIVX is the fourth largest. The ecosystem works similar to Dash, as users can run master nodes to support the network. Running PIVX master nodes requires users to lock 10,000 coins into a wallet, compared to Dash’s 1,000 coin threshold. This also means a large part of the available PIVX supply is currently locked up in the master node.
PIVX also provides instant transactions through the SwiftTX implementation. The community is governing the future for this currency, rather than leaving it up to just the developers. One thing all community members are looking forward to is the future implementation of the Zerocoin protocol. This feature will improve transaction privacy even further.
3. Zcash (ZEC)
Website: https://z.cash/
Algorithm: Equihash
Block Time: 2.5 Minutes
The Zcash development team uses zero-knowledge proofs to provide anonymity for its users. A zero-knowledge proof serves to allow for both the verification and the privacy of data at the same time. In the case of Zcash, this technology is used to encrypt the sender and recipient addresses, as well as transaction amounts. At the same time, all network transactions are validated by the blockchain, just like Bitcoin.
To get a bit more technical, Zcash uses ZK-SNARKS to achieve this goal. Every transaction can contain a string of data provided by the sender – the zero-knowledge proof – as well as encrypted transaction data. This implementation also means senders can’t generate a specific string unless they own the spending key for that address. Moreover, the input values of both input and output need to be equal.
It is important to keep in mind this feature does not provide utter anonymity while using Zcash, though. It is still possible for blockchain analysts to correlate information through public transactions. Moreover, IP addresses of users are not obfuscated unless they use a routing service themselves. Personal identifiers linked to public data are not hidden by this protocol.
2. Monero (XMR)
Website: https://getmonero.org/
Algorithm: CryptoNight
Block Time: 60 Seconds
Monero has been a popular alternative cryptocurrency among enthusiasts who favor anonymity over privacy. Improved anonymity was added to the protocol just a few months ago, as Confidential Transactions were introduced in January of 2017. All of the network nodes have transitioned to accommodate for Confidential Transactions without any hitch. Ever since this implementation, the Monero price has started to rise a bit across exchanges.
Ring Confidential Transactions are designed to improve privacy and security. By bundling the sending and receiving of public keys with older network transactions, a “mixer” is created that is capable of obfuscating addresses. All of this makes blockchain analysis virtually impossible. Making Monero one of the most anonymous cryptocurrencies is still the primary objective, even though that has led to an increase in transaction size. This is not as big of a problem, though, as Monero has an adaptive block size.
On top of Ring Confidential Transactions, Monero makes use of ring signatures and Stealth addresses to hide both the sender and the receiver in a transaction. Additional anonymity and privacy features are still in development, such as the Kovri router, which can conceal the origin node for transactions in I2P. Monero positions itself as a private and optionally transparent cryptocurrency.
1. DASH (DASH)
Website: https://www.dash.org/
Algorithm: Decision Algorithm for Supportive Housing© (DASH)
Block Time: 2.5 Minutes
A lot of people feel Dash provides them with anonymity as well, thanks to the PrivateSend feature. While it is true that this feature offers privacy to users, it is not anonymous in the traditional sense. PrivateSend is an improved version of CoinJoin, enhanced by features such as decentralization and a chaining approach. A decentralized mixing service built within the Dash protocol allows the currency to remain fungible, which is one of the features Bitcoin lacks right now.
Moreover, using PrivateSend mixing requires at least three different participants which allow funds to be merged together and create obfuscated transactions. That is, assuming all users submit the same Dash denominations as inputs and outputs. There is a limit as to how much money can be sent per transaction using DarkSend, though, as the feature currently allows for 1,000 DASH per session. Additionally, several PrivateSend sessions need to be completed to achieve optimal anonymity and privacy.
Well IOHK is trying to pull the XSPEC tech into Zencash, which would make Zencash the ultimate private coin imo
Charles Hoskinson explains it well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz8LiM_xYDw
What do you think?
Charles Hoskinson explains it well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz8LiM_xYDw
What do you think?
Please check this Spectrecoin (XSPEC) features and you understand who best privacy coin
- Automatically Adjusted Ring Signatures
- Stealth Addresses
- Fast PoSv3 60 sec transactions
- Innovative first ever in Crypto 'Stealth Staking'
- Automatically Adjusted Ring Signatures
- Stealth Addresses
- Fast PoSv3 60 sec transactions
- Innovative first ever in Crypto 'Stealth Staking'
Private coins will soon become very popular. And so it is profitable to invest in them today. There are several private coins that I like more than others. These are coins such as PIVX, Monero, XSPEC.
Instead of arguing without any sense, you could have gotten an answer from the dev team, try @jbg on spectreproject.slack.com, who will provide you with an answer in a matter of minutes as the devs are very active and open for answering questions. I know many, many coins are being shilled without any underlying tech and many promises are being made in this cryptomarket, but what you are doing now is discussing matters with a person who cannot provide you with an answer, which does not get you anywhere but confirm your thoughts you already seem to have. It does not make any sense.
I was right, your dev won't (or more likely can't) answer to how it works.
Hey generalizethis, we don't "claim to have anonymous staking". We've worked out a way to do it, and we will be launching it towards the end of Q2 this year. Nobody is asking you to believe it until we release the paper and source code, don't worry 
Now stumble around for faith based rationalizing as to why he won't (can't) explain how it works. I'll wait until Q2 to tell you I was right--but my guess is you and your buddy will be hiding behind new usernames.
Check out Opal
http://www.opal-coin.com/
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/opal/
-Algo : X13 POS
-No Premine
-No Ico
-5% POS interest
-Supply aprox 15mil
-Stealth addresses (Opaque)
-Encrypted messaging
Only 0.14$ on Cryptopia
http://www.opal-coin.com/
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/opal/
-Algo : X13 POS
-No Premine
-No Ico
-5% POS interest
-Supply aprox 15mil
-Stealth addresses (Opaque)
-Encrypted messaging
Only 0.14$ on Cryptopia
Price now is even lower.
Looks like a promising project with their stealth addresses. I add it with small amount among my coins. I still think that Spectre is the best privacy coin.
Post how spectre achieves anonymous staking or stfu.
That's all that should matter to investors and if it's available, post it and end any debate.
I'm not apologizing for getting angry with people who waste my time. He could have just wrote, "I don't know how it works," and saved us both some time. Instead he tried to make it out like I was asking an unreasonable question and deflecting from the question.
As far as grammar, I'm not apologizing for expecting words to fall in line with their definitions and not to have to debate their meaning when there is only one definition--this goes back to my annoyance of having my time wasted. Instead of trying to make it about me versus spectre, you should focus on why people believe it can do something that's never been done before without a whitepaper or an explanation as to how it works.
It's simple--post how it works or expect me to call you out on it. I'm not jumping through hoops for you and it's customary to have a whitepaper to go along with a new claim. Expecting less is a much bigger problem than any personality conflict you have with me.
That's all that should matter to investors and if it's available, post it and end any debate.
I'm not apologizing for getting angry with people who waste my time. He could have just wrote, "I don't know how it works," and saved us both some time. Instead he tried to make it out like I was asking an unreasonable question and deflecting from the question.
As far as grammar, I'm not apologizing for expecting words to fall in line with their definitions and not to have to debate their meaning when there is only one definition--this goes back to my annoyance of having my time wasted. Instead of trying to make it about me versus spectre, you should focus on why people believe it can do something that's never been done before without a whitepaper or an explanation as to how it works.
It's simple--post how it works or expect me to call you out on it. I'm not jumping through hoops for you and it's customary to have a whitepaper to go along with a new claim. Expecting less is a much bigger problem than any personality conflict you have with me.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.23455862
If the coin you invest in can't explain how it works, you should be angry with devs, not me. You should be aiming your questions at them, not me.
Sunlight is the best disinfectant, so constinue to hide in the shadows. Pretty sure no one will see your attempt at distraction as anything but the flimsy evasion of a scam.
Thats the thing, for all you know the dev is my best friend, chooses to remain anonymous because of the illegalities surrounding this controversial cryptocurrency in some regions and that I know something you don't. You cannot relate to me as a person and tell me who and who not to direct my anger towards. If you think for a second any of your posts made me angry, you really need to get over yourself. I genuinely believe the poster above may be right, and I genuinely apologize if you have Aspergers syndrome. There are brilliant people who have such.
And some people like gambling on the slight chance that there's a good reason not to reveal how a technology works. If you had just stated that early, the debate would have been over. If people want to do stupid things with their money, that's not my problem. Sorry that you feel the need to make it personal to distract from the fact that you can't explain how it works (whether safety or scam is irrelevant to my point as the fact that you are expecting others to gamble with no knowledge of how spectre works is the only point I need to make).
Post how spectre achieves anonymous staking or stfu.
That's all that should matter to investors and if it's available, post it and end any debate.
I'm not apologizing for getting angry with people who waste my time. He could have just wrote, "I don't know how it works," and saved us both some time. Instead he tried to make it out like I was asking an unreasonable question and deflecting from the question.
As far as grammar, I'm not apologizing for expecting words to fall in line with their definitions and not to have to debate their meaning when there is only one definition--this goes back to my annoyance of having my time wasted. Instead of trying to make it about me versus spectre, you should focus on why people believe it can do something that's never been done before without a whitepaper or an explanation as to how it works.
It's simple--post how it works or expect me to call you out on it. I'm not jumping through hoops for you and it's customary to have a whitepaper to go along with a new claim. Expecting less is a much bigger problem than any personality conflict you have with me.
That's all that should matter to investors and if it's available, post it and end any debate.
I'm not apologizing for getting angry with people who waste my time. He could have just wrote, "I don't know how it works," and saved us both some time. Instead he tried to make it out like I was asking an unreasonable question and deflecting from the question.
As far as grammar, I'm not apologizing for expecting words to fall in line with their definitions and not to have to debate their meaning when there is only one definition--this goes back to my annoyance of having my time wasted. Instead of trying to make it about me versus spectre, you should focus on why people believe it can do something that's never been done before without a whitepaper or an explanation as to how it works.
It's simple--post how it works or expect me to call you out on it. I'm not jumping through hoops for you and it's customary to have a whitepaper to go along with a new claim. Expecting less is a much bigger problem than any personality conflict you have with me.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.23455862
If the coin you invest in can't explain how it works, you should be angry with devs, not me. You should be aiming your questions at them, not me.
Sunlight is the best disinfectant, so constinue to hide in the shadows. Pretty sure no one will see your attempt at distraction as anything but the flimsy evasion of a scam.
Thats the thing, for all you know the dev is my best friend, chooses to remain anonymous because of the illegalities surrounding this controversial cryptocurrency in some regions and that I know something you don't. You cannot relate to me as a person and tell me who and who not to direct my anger towards. If you think for a second any of your posts made me angry, you really need to get over yourself. I genuinely believe the poster above may be right, and I genuinely apologize if you have Aspergers syndrome. There are brilliant people who have such.
I like Zcash the most out of all those options you had up. My 2nd privacy coin isn't even on the market yet and that one is called Blackbytes. It is the privacy version of Bytes and I think by 2018 end it will be worth a bit.
Post how spectre achieves anonymous staking or stfu.
That's all that should matter to investors and if it's available, post it and end any debate.
I'm not apologizing for getting angry with people who waste my time. He could have just wrote, "I don't know how it works," and saved us both some time. Instead he tried to make it out like I was asking an unreasonable question and deflecting from the question.
As far as grammar, I'm not apologizing for expecting words to fall in line with their definitions and not to have to debate their meaning when there is only one definition--this goes back to my annoyance of having my time wasted. Instead of trying to make it about me versus spectre, you should focus on why people believe it can do something that's never been done before without a whitepaper or an explanation as to how it works.
It's simple--post how it works or expect me to call you out on it. I'm not jumping through hoops for you and it's customary to have a whitepaper to go along with a new claim. Expecting less is a much bigger problem than any personality conflict you have with me.
That's all that should matter to investors and if it's available, post it and end any debate.
I'm not apologizing for getting angry with people who waste my time. He could have just wrote, "I don't know how it works," and saved us both some time. Instead he tried to make it out like I was asking an unreasonable question and deflecting from the question.
As far as grammar, I'm not apologizing for expecting words to fall in line with their definitions and not to have to debate their meaning when there is only one definition--this goes back to my annoyance of having my time wasted. Instead of trying to make it about me versus spectre, you should focus on why people believe it can do something that's never been done before without a whitepaper or an explanation as to how it works.
It's simple--post how it works or expect me to call you out on it. I'm not jumping through hoops for you and it's customary to have a whitepaper to go along with a new claim. Expecting less is a much bigger problem than any personality conflict you have with me.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.23455862
If the coin you invest in can't explain how it works, you should be angry with devs, not me. You should be aiming your questions at them, not me.
Sunlight is the best disinfectant, so constinue to hide in the shadows. Pretty sure no one will see your attempt at distraction as anything but the flimsy evasion of a scam.
Post how spectre achieves anonymous staking or stfu.
That's all that should matter to investors and if it's available, post it and end any debate.
I'm not apologizing for getting angry with people who waste my time. He could have just wrote, "I don't know how it works," and saved us both some time. Instead he tried to make it out like I was asking an unreasonable question and deflecting from the question.
As far as grammar, I'm not apologizing for expecting words to fall in line with their definitions and not to have to debate their meaning when there is only one definition--this goes back to my annoyance of having my time wasted. Instead of trying to make it about me versus spectre, you should focus on why people believe it can do something that's never been done before without a whitepaper or an explanation as to how it works.
It's simple--post how it works or expect me to call you out on it. I'm not jumping through hoops for you and it's customary to have a whitepaper to go along with a new claim. Expecting less is a much bigger problem than any personality conflict you have with me.
That's all that should matter to investors and if it's available, post it and end any debate.
I'm not apologizing for getting angry with people who waste my time. He could have just wrote, "I don't know how it works," and saved us both some time. Instead he tried to make it out like I was asking an unreasonable question and deflecting from the question.
As far as grammar, I'm not apologizing for expecting words to fall in line with their definitions and not to have to debate their meaning when there is only one definition--this goes back to my annoyance of having my time wasted. Instead of trying to make it about me versus spectre, you should focus on why people believe it can do something that's never been done before without a whitepaper or an explanation as to how it works.
It's simple--post how it works or expect me to call you out on it. I'm not jumping through hoops for you and it's customary to have a whitepaper to go along with a new claim. Expecting less is a much bigger problem than any personality conflict you have with me.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.23455862
Lol, best post ever. I feel sorry for ppl with anger issues. I wish not only them, but especially their loved ones (if any, lol) the best, cause I know how that can impact one's life. But we cannot know what the real issue is. Could also be autistic/Asperger (not trying to insult ppl with Asperger here). Bottom line: he needs help, thats obvious.
Post how spectre achieves anonymous staking or stfu.
That's all that should matter to investors and if it's available, post it and end any debate.
I'm not apologizing for getting angry with people who waste my time. He could have just wrote, "I don't know how it works," and saved us both some time. Instead he tried to make it out like I was asking an unreasonable question and deflecting from the question.
As far as grammar, I'm not apologizing for expecting words to fall in line with their definitions and not to have to debate their meaning when there is only one definition--this goes back to my annoyance of having my time wasted. Instead of trying to make it about me versus spectre, you should focus on why people believe it can do something that's never been done before without a whitepaper or an explanation as to how it works.
It's simple--post how it works or expect me to call you out on it. I'm not jumping through hoops for you and it's customary to have a whitepaper to go along with a new claim. Expecting less is a much bigger problem than any personality conflict you have with me.
That's all that should matter to investors and if it's available, post it and end any debate.
I'm not apologizing for getting angry with people who waste my time. He could have just wrote, "I don't know how it works," and saved us both some time. Instead he tried to make it out like I was asking an unreasonable question and deflecting from the question.
As far as grammar, I'm not apologizing for expecting words to fall in line with their definitions and not to have to debate their meaning when there is only one definition--this goes back to my annoyance of having my time wasted. Instead of trying to make it about me versus spectre, you should focus on why people believe it can do something that's never been done before without a whitepaper or an explanation as to how it works.
It's simple--post how it works or expect me to call you out on it. I'm not jumping through hoops for you and it's customary to have a whitepaper to go along with a new claim. Expecting less is a much bigger problem than any personality conflict you have with me.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.23455862
Post how spectre achieves anonymous staking or stfu.
That's all that should matter to investors and if it's available, post it and end any debate.
I'm not apologizing for getting angry with people who waste my time. He could have just wrote, "I don't know how it works," and saved us both some time. Instead he tried to make it out like I was asking an unreasonable question and deflecting from the question.
As far as grammar, I'm not apologizing for expecting words to fall in line with their definitions and not to have to debate their meaning when there is only one definition--this goes back to my annoyance of having my time wasted. Instead of trying to make it about me versus spectre, you should focus on why people believe it can do something that's never been done before without a whitepaper or an explanation as to how it works.
It's simple--post how it works or expect me to call you out on it. I'm not jumping through hoops for you and it's customary to have a whitepaper to go along with a new claim. Expecting less is a much bigger problem than any personality conflict you have with me.
That's all that should matter to investors and if it's available, post it and end any debate.
I'm not apologizing for getting angry with people who waste my time. He could have just wrote, "I don't know how it works," and saved us both some time. Instead he tried to make it out like I was asking an unreasonable question and deflecting from the question.
As far as grammar, I'm not apologizing for expecting words to fall in line with their definitions and not to have to debate their meaning when there is only one definition--this goes back to my annoyance of having my time wasted. Instead of trying to make it about me versus spectre, you should focus on why people believe it can do something that's never been done before without a whitepaper or an explanation as to how it works.
It's simple--post how it works or expect me to call you out on it. I'm not jumping through hoops for you and it's customary to have a whitepaper to go along with a new claim. Expecting less is a much bigger problem than any personality conflict you have with me.
As you can see in my previous post, I was open for debate. But (again) saying 'stfu' completely disqualifies you as an individual to have a serious debate with and I swear to God I stopped reading. Good luck arguing with yourself, cause I doubt anyone will wanna have a discussion with you. Anyways, I wish you the best mate.
Post how spectre achieves anonymous staking or stfu.
That's all that should matter to investors and if it's available, post it and end any debate.
I'm not apologizing for getting angry with people who waste my time. He could have just wrote, "I don't know how it works," and saved us both some time. Instead he tried to make it out like I was asking an unreasonable question and deflecting from the question.
As far as grammar, I'm not apologizing for expecting words to fall in line with their definitions and not to have to debate their meaning when there is only one definition--this goes back to my annoyance of having my time wasted. Instead of trying to make it about me versus spectre, you should focus on why people believe it can do something that's never been done before without a whitepaper or an explanation as to how it works.
It's simple--post how it works or expect me to call you out on it. I'm not jumping through hoops for you and it's customary to have a whitepaper to go along with a new claim. Expecting less is a much bigger problem than any personality conflict you have with me.
That's all that should matter to investors and if it's available, post it and end any debate.
I'm not apologizing for getting angry with people who waste my time. He could have just wrote, "I don't know how it works," and saved us both some time. Instead he tried to make it out like I was asking an unreasonable question and deflecting from the question.
As far as grammar, I'm not apologizing for expecting words to fall in line with their definitions and not to have to debate their meaning when there is only one definition--this goes back to my annoyance of having my time wasted. Instead of trying to make it about me versus spectre, you should focus on why people believe it can do something that's never been done before without a whitepaper or an explanation as to how it works.
It's simple--post how it works or expect me to call you out on it. I'm not jumping through hoops for you and it's customary to have a whitepaper to go along with a new claim. Expecting less is a much bigger problem than any personality conflict you have with me.
@generalizethis
agree to disagree.
agree to disagree.
So you don't think developers should offer proof they can deliver on their promises?
Sorry, I meant on the grammar lesson haha.
The developers should offer proof only through open source release of the technology. I believe Monero should have done the same before collecting millions of dollars for Kovri.
Kovri is open source and existed before Monero.
So you agree that spectre should provide proof they solved anonymous staking?
Also, so you disagree that we should use common usage as the deciding factor on how we interpret words? I'm just discussing day-to-day usage and disregarding special circumstances such as an academic or poet coining a new term or a new use for existing terms.
Yes, but Kovri is not actually implemented.
I am not having the grammar argument. I am not arguing that my BA and Law Degree weren't my worst investment either. You can have the grammar argument title too. I still have my massive bag of both Monero and Spectre. One of which has fast transactions, stakes out a nice pay daily and doesn't have even a fraction of the fee.
If you don't want to argue word usage that's fine, but don't write, "agree to disagree" and expect me to disregard an inane argument. Just wanted clarification that that was the argument you were standing your ground at.
As far as Kovri goes, the code is being developed on GitHub, so anyone can peruse it and look to see if it is as it should be. Funding work before there is a finished product is common and no one funding the work was under any impression that that wasn't the case.
Nice side stepping, but let's repeat the question, and just "yes" or "no." No side stepping or getting frustrated with how language works or trying to focus attention on a project outside the scope of this thread.
Do you think spectre coin should make available how they plan to make anonyous staking work?
My point in all of this has been that usually when a project fails at providing proof, it's because it is vaporware and there is no proof. If you want to invest on hope, that's fine--but don't pretend it's reasonable for others to do the same.
No, because nothing matters until it has been released and is running. Like I said, its backed merely through the world of development. But based on those facts, don't tell me that Monero has a superior approach by introducing Kovri without releasing wallet implementation.
"No..." so you're a moron--that's all i was trying to figure out
TX and IP data are two different things so what difference does it make to someone where using Monero is legal as to whether kovri is implemented at all? Monero works as advertised--it hides TX data. Hiding IP data on;ly matters if you are living inside a country where using that particular crypto is illegal.
I just want to know how anonymous staking is achieved, shouldn't be that big a deal. Say you don't know and go about your day. Not sure why we have to circle around it and pretend that it doesn't matter or use faulty compaison that disregard how cryptocurrencies achieve anonymity.
Well, you can't spell Monero without m-o-r-o-n either.
Locking that comment in for when spectre fails to deliver--i suggest you get a new username now as this one will lose all credibility.
No, I'll keep the comment so the public can see your fuelled anger you edited out of embarrassment. Like you say 'facts over fud.' Time will tell. Ill be holding my massive bags of Both Monero and Spectrecoin either way.
Edited out of embarrassment? I edit a lot after I post--i'm a perfectionist. I thought explaining why you are a moron is better than just calling you a moron--doesn't change that I feel you are a moron and definatley not ashamed of calling you a moron. As much of my time as you've wasted, I'm surprised I didn't call you worse and earlier. My only comfort is that you will likely lose a lot of money when the devs dump their shitcoin.
Prediction for spectre: date assigned for anonymous staking implementation, pump, date comes with delay or complete disappearance of the spectre devs. You hodling a bag of nothing and wishing you had listened to me instead of wasting my time.
Dude, instead of acting as if you all know it, why even bother spamming this post and just let it go? Please let's have a debate in a civilized manner instead of saying things as "stfu" and "moron" to people here and laughing on their grammer, that means you are either immature or not open for debate but merely here to confim what you already seem to regard as being the ultimate truth.
Instead of arguing without any sense, you could have gotten an answer from the dev team, try @jbg on spectreproject.slack.com, who will provide you with an answer in a matter of minutes as the devs are very active and open for answering questions. I know many, many coins are being shilled without any underlying tech and many promises are being made in this cryptomarket, but what you are doing now is discussing matters with a person who cannot provide you with an answer, which does not get you anywhere but confirm your thoughts you already seem to have. It does not make any sense.
That being said, it is not strange that new upcoming tech is not revealed in great detail. Why should they? Xspec has a very strong community of people who really believe in the coin and its underlying tech. If we would be your regular pump and dump coin, you would have seen 1000's of posts everywhere claiming we have the new next bext greatest thing ever (remember "Wraith"?). That is not happening here. In addition, I invite you to take a look at the 3 or 6 monthly chart. Do you see any pattern here of a pump and dump coin? The coin has been and is growing slowly but steadily. I invite you to join our slack, you will see a great community which is happily going to provide you with any questions you may have. If you are not interested, that would be your right of course, but please let's debate decently. Peace!
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http://www.opal-coin.com/
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/opal/
-Algo : X13 POS
-No Premine
-No Ico
-5% POS interest
-Supply aprox 15mil
-Stealth addresses (Opaque)
-Encrypted messaging
Only 0.14$ on Cryptopia
I have just started checking the project and immediately noticed that the project currently has only two developers. Is this correct? If affirmative, it is very small number for a serious project and they will need long time implement new features.
Furthermore, I prefer for projects I take interest in to have real devs (meaning real names plus pictures, bios, etc)
@generalizethis
agree to disagree.
agree to disagree.
So you don't think developers should offer proof they can deliver on their promises?
Sorry, I meant on the grammar lesson haha.
The developers should offer proof only through open source release of the technology. I believe Monero should have done the same before collecting millions of dollars for Kovri.
Kovri is open source and existed before Monero.
So you agree that spectre should provide proof they solved anonymous staking?
Also, so you disagree that we should use common usage as the deciding factor on how we interpret words? I'm just discussing day-to-day usage and disregarding special circumstances such as an academic or poet coining a new term or a new use for existing terms.
Yes, but Kovri is not actually implemented.
I am not having the grammar argument. I am not arguing that my BA and Law Degree weren't my worst investment either. You can have the grammar argument title too. I still have my massive bag of both Monero and Spectre. One of which has fast transactions, stakes out a nice pay daily and doesn't have even a fraction of the fee.
If you don't want to argue word usage that's fine, but don't write, "agree to disagree" and expect me to disregard an inane argument. Just wanted clarification that that was the argument you were standing your ground at.
As far as Kovri goes, the code is being developed on GitHub, so anyone can peruse it and look to see if it is as it should be. Funding work before there is a finished product is common and no one funding the work was under any impression that that wasn't the case.
Nice side stepping, but let's repeat the question, and just "yes" or "no." No side stepping or getting frustrated with how language works or trying to focus attention on a project outside the scope of this thread.
Do you think spectre coin should make available how they plan to make anonyous staking work?
My point in all of this has been that usually when a project fails at providing proof, it's because it is vaporware and there is no proof. If you want to invest on hope, that's fine--but don't pretend it's reasonable for others to do the same.
No, because nothing matters until it has been released and is running. Like I said, its backed merely through the world of development. But based on those facts, don't tell me that Monero has a superior approach by introducing Kovri without releasing wallet implementation.
"No..." so you're a moron--that's all i was trying to figure out
TX and IP data are two different things so what difference does it make to someone where using Monero is legal as to whether kovri is implemented at all? Monero works as advertised--it hides TX data. Hiding IP data on;ly matters if you are living inside a country where using that particular crypto is illegal.
I just want to know how anonymous staking is achieved, shouldn't be that big a deal. Say you don't know and go about your day. Not sure why we have to circle around it and pretend that it doesn't matter or use faulty compaison that disregard how cryptocurrencies achieve anonymity.
Well, you can't spell Monero without m-o-r-o-n either.
Locking that comment in for when spectre fails to deliver--i suggest you get a new username now as this one will lose all credibility.
No, I'll keep the comment so the public can see your fuelled anger you edited out of embarrassment. Like you say 'facts over fud.' Time will tell. Ill be holding my massive bags of Both Monero and Spectrecoin either way.
Edited out of embarrassment? I edit a lot after I post--i'm a perfectionist. I thought explaining why you are a moron is better than just calling you a moron--doesn't change that I feel you are a moron and definatley not ashamed of calling you a moron. As much of my time as you've wasted, I'm surprised I didn't call you worse and earlier. My only comfort is that you will likely lose a lot of money when the devs dump their shitcoin.
Prediction for spectre: date assigned for anonymous staking implementation, pump, date comes with delay or complete disappearance of the spectre devs. You hodling a bag of nothing and wishing you had listened to me instead of wasting my time.
As a self-proclaimed perfectionist, you are best editing your prediction. And the math will only suit your comfort when Spectrecoin goes back to 86 satts. Don't get too comfortable.
@generalizethis
agree to disagree.
agree to disagree.
So you don't think developers should offer proof they can deliver on their promises?
Sorry, I meant on the grammar lesson haha.
The developers should offer proof only through open source release of the technology. I believe Monero should have done the same before collecting millions of dollars for Kovri.
Kovri is open source and existed before Monero.
So you agree that spectre should provide proof they solved anonymous staking?
Also, so you disagree that we should use common usage as the deciding factor on how we interpret words? I'm just discussing day-to-day usage and disregarding special circumstances such as an academic or poet coining a new term or a new use for existing terms.
Yes, but Kovri is not actually implemented.
I am not having the grammar argument. I am not arguing that my BA and Law Degree weren't my worst investment either. You can have the grammar argument title too. I still have my massive bag of both Monero and Spectre. One of which has fast transactions, stakes out a nice pay daily and doesn't have even a fraction of the fee.
If you don't want to argue word usage that's fine, but don't write, "agree to disagree" and expect me to disregard an inane argument. Just wanted clarification that that was the argument you were standing your ground at.
As far as Kovri goes, the code is being developed on GitHub, so anyone can peruse it and look to see if it is as it should be. Funding work before there is a finished product is common and no one funding the work was under any impression that that wasn't the case.
Nice side stepping, but let's repeat the question, and just "yes" or "no." No side stepping or getting frustrated with how language works or trying to focus attention on a project outside the scope of this thread.
Do you think spectre coin should make available how they plan to make anonyous staking work?
My point in all of this has been that usually when a project fails at providing proof, it's because it is vaporware and there is no proof. If you want to invest on hope, that's fine--but don't pretend it's reasonable for others to do the same.
No, because nothing matters until it has been released and is running. Like I said, its backed merely through the world of development. But based on those facts, don't tell me that Monero has a superior approach by introducing Kovri without releasing wallet implementation.
"No..." so you're a moron--that's all i was trying to figure out
TX and IP data are two different things so what difference does it make to someone where using Monero is legal as to whether kovri is implemented at all? Monero works as advertised--it hides TX data. Hiding IP data on;ly matters if you are living inside a country where using that particular crypto is illegal.
I just want to know how anonymous staking is achieved, shouldn't be that big a deal. Say you don't know and go about your day. Not sure why we have to circle around it and pretend that it doesn't matter or use faulty compaison that disregard how cryptocurrencies achieve anonymity.
Well, you can't spell Monero without m-o-r-o-n either.
Locking that comment in for when spectre fails to deliver--i suggest you get a new username now as this one will lose all credibility.
No, I'll keep the comment so the public can see your fuelled anger you edited out of embarrassment. Like you say 'facts over fud.' Time will tell. Ill be holding my massive bags of Both Monero and Spectrecoin either way.
Edited out of embarrassment? I edit a lot after I post--i'm a perfectionist. I thought explaining why you are a moron is better than just calling you a moron--doesn't change that I feel you are a moron and definatley not ashamed of calling you a moron. As much of my time as you've wasted, I'm surprised I didn't call you worse and earlier. My only comfort is that you will likely lose a lot of money when the devs dump their shitcoin.
Prediction for spectre: date assigned for anonymous staking implementation, pump, date comes with delay or complete disappearance of the spectre devs. You hodling a bag of nothing and wishing you had listened to me instead of wasting my time.
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