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December 22, 2017, 07:19:34 PM
try SpectreCoin, a tech first superior anon coin. explosive growth ahead.

Spectrecoin is traceable.  The blockchain is public and the amounts transferred is visible.  Not good, poor tech.

Hey look, it's Kim Jung Un Fanboy again.  How many times do you have to be told that default stealth addresses are coming, which make the "public blockchain" debate obsolete?

There must be a reason you are so fixated on spreading dishonest FUD about Spectrecoin.  Running scared much?
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December 22, 2017, 07:14:57 PM
Also, please tell me how you have wallet privacy and staking--still waiting for someone to explain how you are going to dole out stakes based on wallet contents, but have the wallets private? If you can't explain how this happens, don't bother wasting your time trying to sell me on it--I just want to know how it is done.

That information will be released in a technical paper - call it a whitepaper if you will - by the cryptographer who is developing that feature, once that work has been completed.  If you really want to know now in order to guide your decision in whether to buy XSPEC, go ask the devs yourself.  But since all you want to do is bad mouth a coin whose planned upgrades will bring its fungibility and anonymity in line with Monero, and insist on conflating Spectrecoin's native Tor integration with using a non-integrated coin such as Monero over the Tor network, which would leave the user vulnerable to exit nodes while Spectrecoin does not, I would personally prefer that you wait to find out until the cryptographer releases that info publicly and the price has already jumped.
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December 22, 2017, 07:08:00 PM
try SpectreCoin, a tech first superior anon coin. explosive growth ahead.

Spectrecoin is traceable.  The blockchain is public and the amounts transferred is visible.  Not good, poor tech.
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December 22, 2017, 07:03:44 PM
try SpectreCoin, a tech first superior anon coin. explosive growth ahead.
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December 22, 2017, 06:12:12 PM
I have very large holdings for VTC. I made a very good jump in the last 10 days. I think you can reach $ 100 in 2018. I do not think there's a project that's already 100 dollars. It will fill the void.
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December 22, 2017, 05:41:56 PM
I think Monero, Zcash and Spectrecoin are pretty good privacy coins. I guess with all the crypto regulations all over the world privacy coins will gain more attention in the next time.
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December 22, 2017, 05:27:10 PM
I agree with Monero, it's a really good coin.

But I also recommend taking a look at XLC, it's an extreme bargain right now and dev team is working hard on it. News will follow soon.
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December 22, 2017, 03:44:24 PM
Hello everyone. Noob here.

I just want to know which is the best private coin and the differences between them?

Monero
Deeponion
Spectrecoin
Nav
Pivx

or any other worth knowing about.

Tnx.

Moner and Zcash are my choices.
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December 22, 2017, 03:02:35 PM
Also, IP masking is trivial to add to any coin, so not sure why that is a selling point. Onchain anonymity is the hard part and that's where the majority of coins that have privacy claims fail.

The exact scenario that I'm talking about is I depostit my funds on an exchange, they scan the blockchain and see that a private tx happaned and report it to a regulatory agency and hold the funds. With Monero every XMR is indistingishable from another Monero, so there isn't this problem.
You are talking about Stealth Address and Ring Signature, so Monero and Spectrecoin have them. Yes, I agree, that non-stealth addresses should be absent in the wallet of privacy coin.
Also I am talking not only about IP masking, for example, what will you do if China's state firewall will ban Monero network protocol? China's state firewall already banned Tor and it controls VPNs.

Then TOR integration is pointless for those that choose to bake it in, not sure what your point is. Monero can be used over any network, hence why using it with TOR is trivial, or you can use it over I2p or the regular internet. The point of a decentralized P2P is to be robust on all available networks--if no networks are available, then no networks are available.

Not sure why you bolded the part above and then agreed with my point on all wallets being private--or maybe you didn't... If not, you are failing to grasp the necesity of fungibility for digital cash--if your coin isn't fungible, you lost the right to claim it's cash.
Not Tor is the main feature.
1. Spectrecoin XSPEC has OBFS4 - so it can't be banned by China (with 15% of World GPD) or other countries. Other coins can be banned.
2. Spectrecoin XSPEC will have Privacy Staking on the stealth addresses - so you can create blocks for network maintaining the XSPEC-network without betraying himself. Other PoS-coins will show everyone the money of the owners, or will not participate in the maintaining of network making it vulnerable to attacks. Or will use slow and expensive PoW as in Monero - this coin can not be fast and reliable, choose one thing only.
Also Spectrecoin XSPEC coins can't be marked as well as in the Monero because they both use the same features: Stealth-addresses & Ring-signature.
But there are no Stealth-addresses at all in the: Verge, PIVX, Dash.
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December 22, 2017, 03:43:20 PM
It does not matter what any of the coins say, Monero is the clear winner here. It is opensource, the FBI hate it as they can't trace it. DNM's are about to adopt it over BTC and that will keep everyone safe at night.
legendary
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Facts are more efficient than fud
December 22, 2017, 03:32:16 PM
Also, IP masking is trivial to add to any coin, so not sure why that is a selling point. Onchain anonymity is the hard part and that's where the majority of coins that have privacy claims fail.

The exact scenario that I'm talking about is I depostit my funds on an exchange, they scan the blockchain and see that a private tx happaned and report it to a regulatory agency and hold the funds. With Monero every XMR is indistingishable from another Monero, so there isn't this problem.
You are talking about Stealth Address and Ring Signature, so Monero and Spectrecoin have them. Yes, I agree, that non-stealth addresses should be absent in the wallet of privacy coin.
Also I am talking not only about IP masking, for example, what will you do if China's state firewall will ban Monero network protocol? China's state firewall already banned Tor and it controls VPNs.

Then TOR integration is pointless for those that choose to bake it in, not sure what your point is. Monero can be used over any network, hence why using it with TOR is trivial, or you can use it over I2p or the regular internet. The point of a decentralized P2P is to be robust on all available networks--if no networks are available, then no networks are available.

Not sure why you bolded the part above and then agreed with my point on all wallets being private--or maybe you didn't... If not, you are failing to grasp the necesity of fungibility for digital cash--if your coin isn't fungible, you lost the right to claim it's cash.
Not Tor is the main feature.
1. Spectrecoin XSPEC has OBFS4 - so it can't be banned by China (with 15% of World GPD) or other countries. Other coins can be banned.
2. Spectrecoin XSPEC has Privacy Staking on the stealth addresses - so you can create blocks for network maintaining the XSPEC-network without betraying himself. Other PoS-coins will show everyone the money of the owners, or will not participate in the maintaining of network making it vulnerable to attacks. Or will use slow and expensive PoW as in Monero - this coin can not be fast and reliable, choose one thing only.
Also Spectrecoin XSPEC coins can't be marked as well as in the Monero because they both use the same features: Stealth-addresses & Ring-signature.
But there are no Stealth-addresses at all in the: Verge, PIVX, Dash.

You are still missing the point on fungibility, but seems a lost cause, so not gone to waste my time explaining it again.

As for networks, most coins work on TOR, I2p or regular internet, so any function that used with TOR would be functional with most coins, not sure why you are assuming that they can't or why this is only the case for spec.

Also, please tell me how you have wallet privacy and staking--still waiting for someone to explain how you are going to dole out stakes based on wallet contents, but have the wallets private? If you can't explain how this happens, don't bother wasting your time trying to sell me on it--I just want to know how it is done.
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December 22, 2017, 03:19:58 PM
(ITNS) intense coin is 4 month old privacy based coin, it has a steady growth. in near future it will implement VPN features in to it's wallet.
intensecoin.com
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-intense-coin-blockchain-backed-decentralized-vpn-hybrid-pow-2090765
give it a look it may be a great investment since the coin is still young and cheap and has a lot of potential to grow. It is listed only in one exchange, after more listing and improved liquidity price will go up.
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December 22, 2017, 05:39:34 AM
Also, IP masking is trivial to add to any coin, so not sure why that is a selling point. Onchain anonymity is the hard part and that's where the majority of coins that have privacy claims fail.

The exact scenario that I'm talking about is I depostit my funds on an exchange, they scan the blockchain and see that a private tx happaned and report it to a regulatory agency and hold the funds. With Monero every XMR is indistingishable from another Monero, so there isn't this problem.
You are talking about Stealth Address and Ring Signature, so Monero and Spectrecoin have them. Yes, I agree, that non-stealth addresses should be absent in the wallet of privacy coin.
Also I am talking not only about IP masking, for example, what will you do if China's state firewall will ban Monero network protocol? China's state firewall already banned Tor and it controls VPNs.
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December 22, 2017, 03:04:51 PM
I don't think there is a big competition in anonymous coins because Monero is way too good than other so called competitors.
Monero is the first coin to rise when market is green again.
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December 22, 2017, 06:18:38 AM
Humm...the best private coin for me is Monero I think. Because their marketcap is very high so the price is less volatile as the other small coin. But I don't really like the developpers behind it, a few months ago they announced a big news but then it turned out to be a prank just to warn people not to trust anyone.

Deeponion looks like a good alternative too but there are too many deeponion shills on this forum, so be careful.
legendary
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Facts are more efficient than fud
December 22, 2017, 05:48:42 AM
Also, IP masking is trivial to add to any coin, so not sure why that is a selling point. Onchain anonymity is the hard part and that's where the majority of coins that have privacy claims fail.

The exact scenario that I'm talking about is I depostit my funds on an exchange, they scan the blockchain and see that a private tx happaned and report it to a regulatory agency and hold the funds. With Monero every XMR is indistingishable from another Monero, so there isn't this problem.
You are talking about Stealth Address and Ring Signature, so Monero and Spectrecoin have them. Yes, I agree, that non-stealth addresses should be absent in the wallet of privacy coin.
Also I am talking not only about IP masking, for example, what will you do if China's state firewall will ban Monero network protocol? China's state firewall already banned Tor and it controls VPNs.

Then TOR integration is pointless for those that choose to bake it in, not sure what your point is. Monero can be used over any network, hence why using it with TOR is trivial, or you can use it over I2p or the regular internet. The point of a decentralized P2P is to be robust on all available networks--if no networks are available, then no networks are available.

Not sure why you bolded the part above and then agreed with my point on all wallets being private--or maybe you didn't... If not, you are failing to grasp the necesity of fungibility for digital cash--if your coin isn't fungible, you lost the right to claim it's cash.
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December 22, 2017, 12:54:59 AM
Even if Spectre coin is anonymous, which I highly doubt, they failed to make every coin indistinguishable from the next, which means anyone can single out a private tx as supicious.

That is a pretty unequivocal allegation.  How exactly do you distinguish one coin from another in a matrix of stealth transactions involving ring signatures?  Are you deliberately ignoring the fact that stealth transactions are soon going to be the default in Spectrecoin, along with stealth coin withdrawal from exchanges?

That is like saying Monero lacks network privacy, knowing full well that Kovri is around the corner.  It is being disingenuous at best.

I'm talking about how it exist (today) as you yourself described it--I have no idea what spectre plans on doing or how they plan on achieving it. BUT, my first question is: How are stakes doled out and privacy maintained in this future spectre?

Network security isn't tx privacy and is trivial to do yourself. Can a user add onchain anonymity trivially (and yes, I mean every tx so as to not mark mine as different).
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December 22, 2017, 12:44:29 AM
Even if Spectre coin is anonymous, which I highly doubt, they failed to make every coin indistinguishable from the next, which means anyone can single out a private tx as supicious.

That is a pretty unequivocal allegation.  How exactly do you distinguish one coin from another in a matrix of stealth transactions involving ring signatures?  Are you deliberately ignoring the fact that stealth transactions are soon going to be the default in Spectrecoin, along with stealth coin withdrawal from exchanges?

That is like saying Monero lacks network privacy, knowing full well that Kovri is around the corner.  It is being disingenuous at best.
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December 21, 2017, 07:53:45 PM

The best private coin should have Privacy Addresses and Ring-sig/Mixing such coins as: Monero, Bytecoin, ZCash, Spectrecoin.

But if we talk about the best private coin in half a year, then if Spectrecoin will be integrated with BISQ (anonymous decentralized exchange) then Spectrecoin will have end-to-end privacy using privacy addresses & ring-sig. No one will know from whom I bought this coin, when I bought it and sold, and how much I have them on an anonymous stealth addresses.

One of the biggest markets is China. It follows the path of strict regulation of crypto currency and has a China's state-firewall that will block everything that is forbidden: Tor, anonymous coins (if it will be blocked), ... So no one coin will can be used in China with the exception of those coins that have: Tor + Obfuscator. China's state-firewall can't block only Spectrecoin that has both Tor + Obfuscator.
DeepOnion and Verge has Tor, but hasn't Obfuscator. Yes, you can install Tor and ObfsProxy by yourself, but at one point forget to start them and betray yourself. Only Spectrocoin does this automatically by default.

So if we are talking about a better investment, then the most promising coin, with the smallest market capitalization - is spectrecoin.

I completely agree with you!
I believe in Spectrecoin XSPEC
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xspec/ Check out "richlist" and "largest wallets" to see why its privacy claims are BS.

Belief isn't going to stop someone from using the blockchain to analyze how many coins you have--that's not how technology works.
Spectrecoin has two type of addresses: not-anonymous and anonymous(stealth). In the "richlist" and "largest wallets" you can see only not-anonymous addresses, who doesn't want to hide money. But you can't see any anonymous(stealth) addresses, tell me how much money is in this my stealth address? You can't, but you can send me money to this address.
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Exchange BISQ will work with anonymous(stealth) addresses by default.

The problem (a well known one) with running optional privacy is that you create taint and later when you think your coins are safe on an exchange, the exchange can cite KYC/AML concerns and hold your coins--not the good hodl. TBH, I've never looked deeply at spectrecoin, but this problem is so obvious, I don't need to, but if do, I'm sure I'll find worse. Still not sure how you have staking with privacy, so that might be interesting to investigate....
KYC/AML on some exchanges - is the problem of any coins private / non-private.
An exchange BISQ hasn't any KYC/AML, hasn't limits, doesn't verify and doesn't know your IP because it works via Tor. Also for example Binance exchange has limit 2 BTC/day for unverified preson for any coins ($30-40K per day or ~10 M$ per year at this moment). And Bitfinex hasn't withdrawal limit for unverified preson, except USD, EUR, USDT. Yes, these exchanges will know how many coins bought by your account, also exchanges will know generated secondary stealth addresses and can see money on them.
1. But exchanges can not match your account and your person, because you are not verified.
2. Also any next money transfers after withdrawal make it impossible to know now is it your new addresses and money, or already another person has them.
So this is not such a big problem if you use Binance/Bitfinex/..., and there is very small problems if you use decentralized autonomous exchange BISQ. Let me remind you, we talked about any private/non-private coins.
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December 22, 2017, 12:35:47 AM
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