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legendary
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It's not a policy change, it's an extra level of protection and documentation.
You just told me that it's been your policy because of what happened a few months ago.  As in, it wasn't your policy before, but it is now.  Remember? 
Due to a syndicate which recently targeted our site and took advantage of our no deposit bonuses, it is our policy for a few months to collect the selfie with IDs

Regardless...WHY AREN"T YOU TELLING PLAYER

The selfies holding their ID are uploaded by the player to the players account, just like other required documentation.
The selfies show that the person and the documentation are the same being and help to prevent fraud.

So if a players account is ever compromised, so will any documents they send you?

Also - What documentation?

Isn't this what you wrote to a player that you had not collected any other information on?

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Dear Player,

We would like you to upload a photo of yourself holding your ID in your hand. Please, make sure that all the details are clearly seen. It will help us speed up your account verification and withdrawal process.

Were you going to wait till they sent the selfie to ask for something else?

you forgot 3 and 4 btw.

3) Do you have any policy about adding or changing your rules without updating them on your website or notifying players?

4) How does a selfie verify someones identity if you don't know who they are first?  You're basically just asking for a picture of anyone in the world that's old enough holding their id.  Why?




hero member
Activity: 899
Merit: 500
Hi,
It's not a policy change, it's an extra level of protection and documentation.
The selfies holding their ID are uploaded by the player to the players account, just like other required documentation.
The selfies show that the person and the documentation are the same being and help to prevent fraud.
legendary
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We continually responded to the player, I am not sure why you wrote we didn't?
Because he made a post about how you wouldn't answer his questions and at first just kept saying "Unfortunately, our programmers have advised us that this is necessary to process wins from no deposit bonuses." over and over.  Then you just didn't respond.

You responded with to his post about this with:

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our programmers advised we always receive a selfie with the player's ID in order to process a cashout from a no deposit bonus.

This makes me think the player was telling the truth.

Also, you've ignored most of what I've said.  I wonder if maybe you just read the first few words and then respond to players before finishing the rest?

Is that it?

Maybe it will help if I number them and change the font?

1) What do you do with these selfies that you receive?  (I mean after you look at them)

2) Why aren't you informing players of your policy change when offering the promotion?

3) Do you have any policy about adding or changing your rules without updating them on your website or notifying players?

4) How does a selfie verify someones identity if you don't know who they are first?  You're basically just asking for a picture of anyone in the world that's old enough holding their id.  Why?

hero member
Activity: 899
Merit: 500
Hi,
We continually responded to the player, I am not sure why you wrote we didn't?

Our Terms and Conditions state-
1.1 All applicants must be over 18 years of age to place a bet/wager and/or to have any use of the Website, and/or register an account with Betchain. The company reserves the right to ask for proof of age and other documentation required from any customer and suspend their account until satisfactory documentation is provided.

Other winners from no deposit bonuses have been paid once they uploaded the required documentation.


legendary
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Hi,
Due to a syndicate which recently targeted our site and took advantage of our no deposit bonuses, it is our policy for a few months to collect the selfie with IDs for no deposit bonus winners.
Our Terms and Conditions also mention providing ID in other paragraphs.



Ok, so why aren't you informing players of this policy when you offer the promotion? 

Is it your policy to add or change your rules without updating them on your website or notifying players?

Why didn't you respond to the player? 

Why did you ignore my other questions?


 
Ouch!!!
We're talking about Terms and Conditions and we have to abide by them.

I don't see selfies mentioned anywhere in the terms and conditions.

I also notice that you didn't say that the player is required to send the info.  You said it would speed up the process and that someone advised you to get it. The player didn't refuse to submit his information, he just asked for an explanation first.  And he has a point.  How does a selfie verify someones identity if you don't know who they are first?  You're basically just asking for a picture of anyone in the world that's old enough holding their id.  Why?

Why didn't you answer the player's questions the first time?

I'm also curious, what do you do with these selfies that you receive?  Do you save them?

I also noticed your privacy policy:

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PRIVACY POLICY
This Privacy Policy governs the manner in which BetChain collects, uses, maintains and discloses information collected from users (each, a “User”) of the www.betchain.com website (“Site”). This privacy policy applies to the Site and all products and services offered by BetChain.

Personal identification information
We may collect personal identification information from Users in a variety of ways, including, but not limited to, when Users visit our site, register on the site, place an order, and in connection with other activities, services, features or resources we make available on our Site. Users may be asked for, as appropriate, email address. Users may, however, visit our Site anonymously. We will collect personal identification information from Users only if they voluntarily submit such information to us. Users can always refuse to supply personally identification information, except that it may prevent them from engaging in certain Site related activities.
So you're saying:
-We won't have your ID unless you give it to us.
-People are allowed to look at our site without giving us their ID.

Why not just say:
-If you don't give us your ID when we ask, we might not pay you.

hero member
Activity: 899
Merit: 500
Hi,
Due to a syndicate which recently targeted our site and took advantage of our no deposit bonuses, it is our policy for a few months to collect the selfie with IDs for no deposit bonus winners.
Our Terms and Conditions also mention providing ID in other paragraphs.
legendary
Activity: 2716
Merit: 2093
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Ouch!!!
We're talking about Terms and Conditions and we have to abide by them.

I don't see selfies mentioned anywhere in the terms and conditions.

I also notice that you didn't say that the player is required to send the info.  You said it would speed up the process and that someone advised you to get it. The player didn't refuse to submit his information, he just asked for an explanation first.  And he has a point.  How does a selfie verify someones identity if you don't know who they are first?  You're basically just asking for a picture of anyone in the world that's old enough holding their id.  Why?

Why didn't you answer the player's questions the first time?

I'm also curious, what do you do with these selfies that you receive?  Do you save them?

I also noticed your privacy policy:

Quote
PRIVACY POLICY
This Privacy Policy governs the manner in which BetChain collects, uses, maintains and discloses information collected from users (each, a “User”) of the www.betchain.com website (“Site”). This privacy policy applies to the Site and all products and services offered by BetChain.

Personal identification information
We may collect personal identification information from Users in a variety of ways, including, but not limited to, when Users visit our site, register on the site, place an order, and in connection with other activities, services, features or resources we make available on our Site. Users may be asked for, as appropriate, email address. Users may, however, visit our Site anonymously. We will collect personal identification information from Users only if they voluntarily submit such information to us. Users can always refuse to supply personally identification information, except that it may prevent them from engaging in certain Site related activities.
So you're saying:
-We won't have your ID unless you give it to us.
-People are allowed to look at our site without giving us their ID.

Why not just say:
-If you don't give us your ID when we ask, we might not pay you.
hero member
Activity: 899
Merit: 500
Ouch!!!
We're talking about Terms and Conditions and we have to abide by them.
legendary
Activity: 2716
Merit: 2093
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Hi,
Congratulations on your win from your no deposit bonus, I hope you enjoyed playing.
Unfortunately, to prevent fraud with our no deposit bonuses, our programmers advised we always receive a selfie with the player's ID in order to process a cashout from a no deposit bonus.

That's why they work with computers and you work with customers, right?

Because programmers don't realize that you should make the players aware of this when making the offer.

Of course, our software is protected with the highest level of security for our players and ourselves.
Our winners who have cashed out over 200 Bitcoins this month alone can attest to this.

Of course?  Why?

How are the players that cashed out qualified to comment on how secure your software is?  And what does that have to do with the questions this guy asked?

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Id really like you to answer these questions before I send you my sensitive information.

What happens to my selfie after I send it to you?  Who looks at it?  Do you save it?  For how long?  Do you encrypt it?  What type of encryption?  Who controlls it?  Betchain?  Softswiss?  Where is it stored?  Where is your office?  What country?

hero member
Activity: 899
Merit: 500
Hi,
Congratulations on your win from your no deposit bonus, I hope you enjoyed playing.
Unfortunately, to prevent fraud with our no deposit bonuses, our programmers advised we always receive a selfie with the player's ID in order to process a cashout from a no deposit bonus.
Of course, our software is protected with the highest level of security for our players and ourselves.
Our winners who have cashed out over 200 Bitcoins this month alone can attest to this.

hero member
Activity: 899
Merit: 500
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hero member
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hero member
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Hi Teddy,
Please email [email protected] or contact our livesupport agents with your account information.
Withdrawals are processed as quickly as possible, usually within the hour.
I apologize, we have been experiencing a high volume of traffic.
Congrats on your win!
hero member
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so is this site prov fair and legit? i read few post and everything seems good except withdrawal time seems long

What's the average time to withdraw the amount?

Thanks!
full member
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oh and to the n00bs I just won 0.761 btc off betchain! thats on my mama! lol thanks betchain for the approval I'll definitely keep playing.. yeeeeee! Smiley

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hello can u please help me approve my withdrawal? my email is [email protected] .. thanks!
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