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Did you verify your withdrawal via e-mail?

In case you didn't already know, when you initiate a withdrawal, they send you a verification e-mail where you have to verify your withdrawal before they continue processing it.

Check your Events history to see the status of your withdrawal.

If you already knew this, then disregard.

Also, they are known to check/review your play as well during the withdrawal process.

Waiting over 22 hours for my btc withdrawal.
Why does it take so long?

My only issue was my own, and they fixed it in a matter of min.

I to am probably owed rake, but I'm not complaining about a few cents - few buck to what I would of played threw anyway. Not sure why solutions, and suggestions aren't being asked/ given but rather demands by those who fell cheated.   

I don't think you are a shill, you just seem shortsighted.  You've had "little issue" (note that you didn't say "no issues)...yet you can see that they have treated other players very poorly.  What happens when you are the one who gets screwed?  Who will stand up for you?

The rake thing (theft) did suck...but they did not even attempt to rectify the situation.  How do you think they did?  By raising the rake?  By ignoring player's questions regarding it?

Going thru 600k hands is child's play, anyone can do it in about an hour with any sort of database program and coding to do simple arithmetic.  They even have the tools in place to do it because they process rakeback daily, which means they know how much rake EVERY player on the site has paid EVERY day.  All they would have to do is go back and figure out how much they should have paid, and credit everyone who was stolen from the difference. 

Why do you think that it is ok for a site to steal from it's players?  What would you have wanted to happen if the money that was stolen was stolen from you?  What do you think the next "mistake" will be that gets ignored and never fixed?

I don't think you're a shill.  But analyzing 600k hands is far from impossible.  If I had access to the database of hands, I doubt it would take longer than an hour or two to go establish how much is owed to each player with either PT4 or HEM2.  If betcoin has nobody capable of doing the same, they should.

Also, I don't see any reasonable attempt made by betcoin to rectify the situation.

You are no shill Crazywack, Betcoin is a great place to play and simply going to www.betcoin.ag or the poker client anyone can see that.  I have only been a member a short time but spent a significant time testing all of the bitcoin casinos before choosing Betcoin.  I saw a table the other day with over 100 btc on the table split between three players.  Was very entertaining to watch.  I hope to get to that level one day. 

You guys will call me a shill, or say I'm paid to post this. But it's not the case. I have been playing Betcoin since day 1 with little issue. Only issue I had was my own fault with a deposit.

I agree the rake thing sucked but they attempted to rectify the situation.

They are right, going threw 600,000 hands as was claimed would be next to impossible. I think they could of handled the situation different but what can you do? Leave and not come back or keep playing. The rake issue was fixed.

I have not played at Betcoin for a couple of months for the reasons posted here.

The problem people like you should be having is if Betcoin has screwed so many of it's members out of so many coins and have acted so shady and disrespectful in so many circumstances...doesn't it stand to reason that it'll happen to you as well?  Seriously, every long term player has had problems with them where they have no payed, slow payed, lied, ignored, ect.  The only people playing there today that were playing there 6 months ago are the people on the payroll or the people so broke that they have to beg for $5 stakes every day.

Also, anyone with half a brain has to admit that when multiple people publicly discuss how a site has lied/cheated it's players, the site says nothing, yet random 0 day old accounts show up to attack the people providing the proof...that's odd.  That isn't the action of a site who has the player's long term best interests in mind.

I think the biggest reason players dont do anything about these issues is not because they don't care, it because of the scummy way Betcoin makes any issue take way more effort to explain than is actually worth.  We have all witnessed or experienced their standard strategy of "pretend to care, ignore, offer absurd explanation, ignore, ask what the issue is again, repeat"  This along with getting treated like shit by Betcoin and all the shills is pretty unattractive. 

Most complaints about Betcoin are BS, just like most complaints about any casino. (check out http://fuckpokerstars.com/ )  It's the nature of the industry that degens lose their mind, their money and act crazy. Betcoin uses this to their advantage, and has been lumping legitimate issues into the same pile as the crazys.  I'm trying to make it somehow easier for players to stand up for themselves against sites like Betcoin. 

I understand what you're saying though, and agree to some extent.  I don't blame any player that chooses not put themselves through all the goes with calling out Betcoin - (although those who are willing to tell the world how trustworthy Betcoin is for a free ticket to daily coin are pretty despicable)  I don't ever expect a moment of triumph or anything, but it's worth noting that between pokerfraud alert and twoplustwo at least several hundred poker players are aware of whats going on at Betcoin, possibly over 1,000. I think their reputation has suffered over the past few months, After over 2 years, they still can't even get enough players to fill two tables and meet the guar for the "daily coin"

My next step I think is to make official scam accusations against them, including plo8monster and Xiaoxiao, and hopefully get the attention of those who are most trusted on this forum.

The problem is that you are the only one doing anything about it and the people that were scammed don't do anything. I was not playing enough here at that time and less now, to get upset about very little money.

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I'm kind of just pulling this out of my ass here  but if I had to guess I'd say probably fewer than 25 players would account for 70%+ of total overcharged rake.  There are not a huge number of regs putting in volume.

It's also possible, 2 or 3 guys could be making up 70% of total overrake.  Any HU Bum hunter could of easily put in 40+ hours at the mid-high HU Cash games over the course of 5 or 6 weeks.  This would ad up to 5BTC + stolen from them.

I think attempting to pick a single number won't really be as meaningful as trying to determine a realistic range of what was taken. 

Just getting started at Betcoin and really enjoying it.  Is there a way to change your affiliate?  Does anybody know.  I did some great research before signing up and tried many different sites.  I can see why people like twitchyseal and a few other people are so passionate about wanting to improve Betcoin, because it really is a fun place to play.  Twitchy's tactics are completely ineffective though and they come off as spamming trolls IMO.  Great value in the VIP at Betcoin, maybe the best online, 24/7 live customer service, great casino, dice, sports.  Betcoin gets my vote for best all around bitcoin gaming destination.  Keep up the good work and let the trolls be trolls. 

So about $4,000.00 divided amongst how many players?

It's hard to say without knowing how many hands were played at mid-high stakes HU cash tables.

But considering just the these mid-high stakes HU tables they were taking 4 extra chips from every hand that saw a flop, I think 10 BTC is a very conservative estimate.  (Easily 100+ hands per hour, seeing 70% of flops = 280 chips/hr per table in over charged rake)

Would take 35 table hours of just mid-HS HU Cash action for Betcoin to take 10 extra Bitcoins off the table. 

Example, rake should have been capped at 1 mbtc here.

Do you have any idea of the amount in BTC involved so we can put this in perspective.

I now have hand histories of over raked pots going back to 10/31/15.  Hands before this appear to be capped properly.  I think we can conclude that the "mistake" which resulted in Betcoin double or tripling their cap happened around midnight UTC 10/30/15.

The updated time frame during which Betcoin accidentally took but will not return (aka stole) is 10/31/15 - 12/9/15

Well over 600,000 hands were dealt, I'll share more accurate figures later.


Also, for a easier to digest summary of Betcoins uscroupulous scumbaggery, see this thread:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13507632

Great commentary here everyone.  Our advice is "Don't Lend, Don't Borrow." 

If you choose to lend and or borrow you do so at your own risk.  We all believe that people should be free to choose what they want to do with their own bitcoin. 

P2P transfers come in very handy for staking, assisting a friend to play or introducing new players to the great game of poker. 

There is some very good action today and it continues to increase.  We will continue to provide great opportunities for you at Betcoin Poker and we thank you all for playing with us. 

I was talking about live casinos (Vegas, AC etc..) They will absolutely 86 anyone who they think is there with intent to scam their players.

Only person Banned from betcoin is me afaik, and I have never scammed/cheated anyone.