BetcoinSports.com 2014 World Cup Promotion Thread-INSTANT DEPOSITS & WITHDRAWALS - page 3.

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Quote from: Jaybird on July 02, 2014, 08:30:45 AM

I think if the plays are going to be hidden that Betcoinsports should post the plays just after the games begin. It's not that tough to do. We all PM our plays to Betcoinsports and then they make a post with all the plays.

We would rather have all wagers posted prior to the match beginning. After the quarterfinals this rule will go into effect. Everyone please update their scores. Most players selected all the favorites for the round of 16.

Again after the quarter finals which end Saturday July 5, all selections must be done prior to start of the game and posted. Please let us know should you have any questions and update the scores. We will confirm and update the leaderboard.

This is great news but why not start now?

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I do agree picks should be posted in advance to make it more transparent. But can I post it with my SHA512 method? This way I don't have to show my picks in advance. And yet everyone can verify my picks and see the hash posted before the game, matches the pick that is later revealed (ill give easy instructions for that.)

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Quote from: Jaybird on July 02, 2014, 08:30:45 AM

I think if the plays are going to be hidden that Betcoinsports should post the plays just after the games begin. It's not that tough to do. We all PM our plays to Betcoinsports and then they make a post with all the plays.

We would rather have all wagers posted prior to the match beginning. After the quarterfinals this rule will go into effect. Everyone please update their scores. Most players selected all the favorites for the round of 16.

Again after the quarter finals which end Saturday July 5, all selections must be done prior to start of the game and posted. Please let us know should you have any questions and update the scores. We will confirm and update the leaderboard.

Jaybird

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I think if the plays are going to be hidden that Betcoinsports should post the plays just after the games begin. It's not that tough to do. We all PM our plays to Betcoinsports and then they make a post with all the plays.

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This is a great contest and it's appreciated but I can't see why anyone wants "ALL" of the plays posted after the games. Can someone speak up if they think it's fair for the plays to be posted after the games have concluded? No one is going to take Costa Rica. If Costa Rica does win and there is dishonesty going on someone will have Costa Rica. I would rather see strategy in play than cheating.

I have Germany and Brazil on Thursday.

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All players, please update your scores with a post or on your respective thread, so that we can confirm and then update the leaderboard. Please let us know if you have any additional questions.

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Quote from: Talkingbread on July 01, 2014, 09:08:03 PM

Quote from: Betcoin.AG on July 01, 2014, 06:36:14 PM

Quote from: Talkingbread on July 01, 2014, 06:01:49 PM

Quote from: Betcoin.AG on July 01, 2014, 05:42:31 PM

Quote from: Jaybird on July 01, 2014, 12:50:09 PM

I think that the plays should be posted prior to the games starting.

We had planned to do this from the beginning but it is too easy to copy another player's wagers in that case. We are updating the rankings now after the round of 16 has now been reduced to the round of 8. If a player sees an error in their score, please message us so that we can update the rankings accordingly. Thank you.

I was right. Someone from Facebook or Twitter will win, also known as a Betcoinsports employee, that picks all winners after the games are over.

The only problem with that statement is the players on Facebook and Twitter have all posted their picks prior to the games. Their profiles are public and you can message them directly anytime. It has been the players on BitcoinTalk through forums and pm's that have complained about posting picks prior to the games, which we certainly understand. BetcoinSports.com employees are not permitted to play in our contests.

Also, why didn't you enter the contest? With the time you have spent reading through and commenting on the thread you could have won some good btc!

I bet at Betcoinsports but forgot about the contest. I have a lot of losers and missed games so I know that I don't have a chance. You still shouldn't hide plays until the last game. No contest hides plays this early except for you. Some hide the plays but it's the last day only. Contests are all rigged when the plays are hidden. It's just how these things roll.

We appreciate you playing with us. We show the plays and players are upset and we hide the players and players are upset. Players are always going to be upset, however we will be awarding the prize and we look forward to it.

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Quote from: NLNico on July 01, 2014, 10:46:33 PM

Quote from: Jaybird on July 01, 2014, 12:50:09 PM

I think that the plays should be posted prior to the games starting.

I guess as long as Betcoin verifies both sites, it should be ok. IMO in theory the best way would be this: make a "secret" word + your pick of the winner, then make a SHA512 of it. Post this before the game. After the game you post the "secret" so people can verify your pick, without knowing your pick in advance. Provably fair World Cup promotion

But this might be too hard for some (actually there are online SHA512 generators, so this is really easy.) For example:

Post in advance:
BBB3DD45C01A91B2B724A6DC94DD304053918414F6CBB6B1EAAD7A371EABEC7C608FA66020A1711 C22621B1C704851BB3ADBF967945CA8BA6686F7274CA69A07

Afterwards:
gdq345gzfsGFDS45-IRAN

So my pick was "iran" and you can put "gdq345gzfsGFDS45-IRAN" in the online SHA512 generator to see the hash matches.

Also btw, Live betting is not allowed to get points right? Just saying before someone finds that as another trick to bet on a team as soon as they score etc. That would be bit easy to get points :p

Your solution would be exceptional, however very few would actually take the time to do it unfortunately. We really do look forward to rewarding our winners.

Live betting is not permitted to get the points, that is correct.

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Quote from: Jaybird on July 01, 2014, 12:50:09 PM

I think that the plays should be posted prior to the games starting.

I guess as long as Betcoin verifies both sites, it should be ok. IMO in theory the best way would be this: make a "secret" word + your pick of the winner, then make a SHA512 of it. Post this before the game. After the game you post the "secret" so people can verify your pick, without knowing your pick in advance. Provably fair World Cup promotion

But this might be too hard for some (actually there are online SHA512 generators, so this is really easy.) For example:

Post in advance:
BBB3DD45C01A91B2B724A6DC94DD304053918414F6CBB6B1EAAD7A371EABEC7C608FA66020A1711 C22621B1C704851BB3ADBF967945CA8BA6686F7274CA69A07

Afterwards:
gdq345gzfsGFDS45-IRAN

So my pick was "iran" and you can put "gdq345gzfsGFDS45-IRAN" in the online SHA512 generator to see the hash matches.

Also btw, Live betting is not allowed to get points right? Just saying before someone finds that as another trick to bet on a team as soon as they score etc. That would be bit easy to get points :p

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Quote from: Betcoin.AG on July 01, 2014, 06:36:14 PM

Quote from: Talkingbread on July 01, 2014, 06:01:49 PM

Quote from: Betcoin.AG on July 01, 2014, 05:42:31 PM

Quote from: Jaybird on July 01, 2014, 12:50:09 PM

I think that the plays should be posted prior to the games starting.

We had planned to do this from the beginning but it is too easy to copy another player's wagers in that case. We are updating the rankings now after the round of 16 has now been reduced to the round of 8. If a player sees an error in their score, please message us so that we can update the rankings accordingly. Thank you.

I was right. Someone from Facebook or Twitter will win, also known as a Betcoinsports employee, that picks all winners after the games are over.

The only problem with that statement is the players on Facebook and Twitter have all posted their picks prior to the games. Their profiles are public and you can message them directly anytime. It has been the players on BitcoinTalk through forums and pm's that have complained about posting picks prior to the games, which we certainly understand. BetcoinSports.com employees are not permitted to play in our contests.

Also, why didn't you enter the contest? With the time you have spent reading through and commenting on the thread you could have won some good btc!

I bet at Betcoinsports but forgot about the contest. I have a lot of losers and missed games so I know that I don't have a chance. You still shouldn't hide plays until the last game. No contest hides plays this early except for you. Some hide the plays but it's the last day only. Contests are all rigged when the plays are hidden. It's just how these things roll.

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Quote from: Talkingbread on July 01, 2014, 06:01:49 PM

Quote from: Betcoin.AG on July 01, 2014, 05:42:31 PM

Quote from: Jaybird on July 01, 2014, 12:50:09 PM

I think that the plays should be posted prior to the games starting.

We had planned to do this from the beginning but it is too easy to copy another player's wagers in that case. We are updating the rankings now after the round of 16 has now been reduced to the round of 8. If a player sees an error in their score, please message us so that we can update the rankings accordingly. Thank you.

I was right. Someone from Facebook or Twitter will win, also known as a Betcoinsports employee, that picks all winners after the games are over.

The only problem with that statement is the players on Facebook and Twitter have all posted their picks prior to the games. Their profiles are public and you can message them directly anytime. It has been the players on BitcoinTalk through forums and pm's that have complained about posting picks prior to the games, which we certainly understand. BetcoinSports.com employees are not permitted to play in our contests.

Also, why didn't you enter the contest? With the time you have spent reading through and commenting on the thread you could have won some good btc!

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Quote from: Betcoin.AG on July 01, 2014, 05:42:31 PM

Quote from: Jaybird on July 01, 2014, 12:50:09 PM

I think that the plays should be posted prior to the games starting.

We had planned to do this from the beginning but it is too easy to copy another player's wagers in that case. We are updating the rankings now after the round of 16 has now been reduced to the round of 8. If a player sees an error in their score, please message us so that we can update the rankings accordingly. Thank you.

I was right. Someone from Facebook or Twitter will win, also known as a Betcoinsports employee, that picks all winners after the games are over.

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Quote from: Jaybird on July 01, 2014, 12:50:09 PM

I think that the plays should be posted prior to the games starting.

We had planned to do this from the beginning but it is too easy to copy another player's wagers in that case. We are updating the rankings now after the round of 16 has now been reduced to the round of 8. If a player sees an error in their score, please message us so that we can update the rankings accordingly. Thank you.

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I think that the plays should be posted prior to the games starting.

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To clarify, in soccer wagering for most moneyline wagers if a team does not win the match prior to overtime or a penalty shootout, the wager is graded as a loss even if they won the game. This means that participants that selected Brazil to win their first round of 16 match, lost the wager because it went to penalty kicks even though they still won the game. Points are awarded to players who selected moneyline wagers on the team that won the game, even though they may have lost the wager. We will have an updated rankings soon.

This rule only applies to the knockout round, runner up match and championship match which is all games from 6/28/14 to the Championship game.

We thank everyone for their participation and valued feedback.

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Of course , we must win or lose because of our betting decisions, not because of rules related things.

I hope all participants are reading this so we can be informed quickly.

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Quote from: gll on June 29, 2014, 08:33:30 PM

You didnt understand.

Rules say winning moneyline . I dont get your point.

Its like " you all have to presume that winning moneyline excludes draws and if you hit the draw and win ur moneyline u still losing". OK , I can play like that but explain BEFORE the playoffs start

The rules were wrong , it must say "pick a qualifying team for X match" simple as that

Your draw bet should be a winner and my Brazil to advance should be a winner. They are both moneyline bets. Neither of us should be penalized since we followed the rules as listed. My moneyline half time play should also be a winner in the Mexico game. The new rules should start Monday.

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You didnt understand.

Rules say winning moneyline . I dont get your point.

Its like " you all have to presume that winning moneyline excludes draws and if you hit the draw and win ur moneyline u still losing". OK , I can play like that but explain BEFORE the playoffs start

The rules were wrong , it must say "pick a qualifying team for X match" simple as that

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Quote from: gll on June 29, 2014, 07:15:10 PM

I placed the winning moneyline before he explained this new rule. It must be a consideration.

I understand you bet to brazil and LOST the bet and will try to defend this unfair move, but this rule was not written , rule said WINNING MONEYLINE , not winning team.

thanks

edit : Jaybird , OFCOURSE all people who bet to draw (in colombia uruguay for example) had a huge disadvantage , they bet with 0% posibility of winning making a valid bet sticking to the rules.

I bet Brazil to advance. It was a winner. I don't think that you understand moneyline bets.

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I placed the winning moneyline before he explained this new rule. It must be a consideration.

I understand you bet to brazil and LOST the bet and will try to defend this unfair move, but this rule was not written , rule said WINNING MONEYLINE , not winning team.

thanks

edit : Jaybird , OFCOURSE all people who bet to draw (in colombia uruguay for example) had a huge disadvantage , they bet with 0% posibility of winning making a valid bet sticking to the rules.

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