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Clear now you specify.

But what will happen with the first playoffs matches ?? before this explanation betting draw was the winning moneyline for BRA/CHI ...
Draw is a loser. You needed a bet on Brazil according to Betcoin's post above.
gll
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Clear now you specify.

But what will happen with the first playoffs matches ?? before this explanation betting draw was the winning moneyline for BRA/CHI ...
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For the knockout round, you simply have to pick the team that wins the game and place a money line wager on that team to earn the points.  The wager may not win because of soccer overtime and penalty kick rules but the winning team will earn you the points.
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If we stick to the rules to advance it is not a moneyline bet.

In some cases a team advances even losing the match, thats why the rules should be modified and first playoffs matches voided

If you think , all who bet to draw lost an oportunity of making a "points winning" bet and players who bet to winning team had the advantage of winning if draw too



Team to advance is an obvious moneyline bet. When you make a bet in the NHL playoffs for a team to win it's a ML bet. It's the same as the team to advance. But you can also make regulation time moneyline bets that would include draws. It's the same in all sports.

There are no advantages. The draw may have been the best play or a strategic play. You can also make money line bets for halftimes. The rules didn't make it clear so all of these bets should count until the rules are changed.
gll
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sick match NED vs MEX btw  Shocked
gll
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If we stick to the rules to advance it is not a moneyline bet.

In some cases a team advances even losing the match, thats why the rules should be modified and first playoffs matches voided

If you think , all who bet to draw lost an oportunity of making a "points winning" bet and players who bet to winning team had the advantage of winning if draw too


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Yeh, according to your twitter you did have a spread bet, and no moneyline bet, for the second game though? "Colombia -0.5 against Uruguay @BetcoinAG"

And my question was about Jaybird's pick because he said he won with Brazil, so seems to me he had:
- "to qualify", which is not a moneyline bet as a moneyline bet is on the winner of a 90min game
- "home and draw", which is against the rules because it picks "2 out of 3 sides" and according to the rules you should pick 1 side

Anyway, if you did have a spread bet in the second game you would only win it with the new rules. So in the end it would mean that at least the 3 of us would have 2 points with "old rules" and 4 points with "new rules". So it seems fair to me?



But I agree perhaps it should have been more clear from the beginning what would be included. Also with that whole HCP Draw thing as you can probably understand that for me with only Asian Handicap it was bit harder hehe Tongue
Moneyline bet is when you make a bet such as

Team A = -360
Team B = +280
or 3 Way with the options without a spread. Brazil/Colombia/Draw
Brazil to advance is a moneyline bet. We should stick to the rules. The rule said moneyline wager.

Spread bet is Asian Handicap stuff with
Team A +1.5
Team B -1.5

 
gll
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I'm not an expert , but I googled moneyline and bwin showed "bet for a winning team" , and then I saw that valid bet of bthomas and trusted that its correct too (and pays more in some cases). In Asian handicap you bet for a winning team too , right?Huh??

Whatever, I agree with starting playoffs again (or giving the points to everybody, is the same) now with clear rules :

- Only qualified team bets?
- Win/draw allowed ?
- Asian handicap allowed ?

In my opinion this first 2 matches must be void and the next ones only consider the "TO QUALIFY" bet , finally that is what you want to us to do.
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Lol, "Asian Handicap" is no way allowed as money line wager. "Asian Handicap" is the best example of spread betting. So both your and bthomas' bet are invalid.



Like I said, you, Jaybird and me, would have 2 points with the official stricter "old rule". And 4 points with the "winning team" rule. I would say better just follow the rule of betting on "the winning team" in play-offs?



edit: that bet of bthomas8 was even exactly the same as he used on "spread bet wager from Group E" lol. I assume that he didn't get points for that.
edit2: bthomas8 also used a ML bet for "spread bet wager from Group A" so I assume that isn't counted either. bthomas8 should have 16 points without games of last night AFAIK.
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@Benjig : Exactly.

About my bet , as a chilean I can say that Chile plays a lot against brazil and this is the first time we have a team that can beat brazil. Our problem is that chilean team has no sustitutions , so it was logic to think that brazil would play with chileans fatigue and force the ET.

btw im very sad but proud about my team


@NLNico : My both bets are winning and valid according the rules.

I took as reference bthomas bets.

He made a one of this bets and was considered valid.

5.  Select a winning moneyline wager from Group E      06/19/2014   Switzerland v France   6/20/2014 12:00:00 PM   Asian Handicap   10.00   1.77   17.70   Won   4352

About win/draw rules doesnt prohibit that.

"- A player cannot wager on both sides of the same game during any round"

says "both sides" (home and away I guess)

A FAQ section or more details would be so useful
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Yeh, according to your twitter you did have a spread bet, and no moneyline bet, for the second game though? "Colombia -0.5 against Uruguay @BetcoinAG"

And my question was about Jaybird's pick because he said he won with Brazil, so seems to me he had:
- "to qualify", which is not a moneyline bet as a moneyline bet is on the winner of a 90min game
- "home and draw", which is against the rules because it picks "2 out of 3 sides" and according to the rules you should pick 1 side

Anyway, if you did have a spread bet in the second game you would only win it with the new rules. So in the end it would mean that at least the 3 of us would have 2 points with "old rules" and 4 points with "new rules". So it seems fair to me?



But I agree perhaps it should have been more clear from the beginning what would be included. Also with that whole HCP Draw thing as you can probably understand that for me with only Asian Handicap it was bit harder hehe Tongue
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Well, that was an amazing bet, and i think is unfair to say now that everyone who bet on brazil get the points, i think until he makes public a rules change they should stick to moneyline wagers as said in the rules, and money line wagers are only draw and colombia ml for the 2 games that have been played.
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Hello, Gustavo Llermaly here.

I didn't post before because I didnt know about this post (I play at betcoinpoker and received an email about this contest)

About the bet of Chile/Brazil , ITS A FACT that in soccer matches you bet to the 90mins of the match, and yesterday the match ended as a DRAW (theres a specific bet to do what you want, and that bet is "QUALIFYING TEAM") .

Its senseless to give the points to loser bets imo. The rules says clearly "winning wager" and not "winning team" , or more specifically "next round qualified team".

If you want to change the rules from now (from winning wager to winning team/advanced to next round team) I will accept this change, but please dont be unfair, I followed the rules and made the right bet.

Thanks!

So did you choose draw in the Brazil match? or which was your bet
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Hello, Gustavo Llermaly here.

I didn't post before because I didnt know about this post (I play at betcoinpoker and received an email of this contest)

About the bet of Chile/Brazil , ITS A FACT that in soccer matches you bet to the 90mins of the match, and yesterday the match ended as a DRAW (theres a specific bet to do what you want, and that bet is "QUALIFYING TEAM") .

Its senseless to give the points to loser bets imo. The rules says clearly "winning wager" and not "winning team" , or more specifically "next round qualified team".

If you want to change the rules from now (from winning wager to winning team/advanced to next round team) I will accept this change, but please dont be unfair, I followed the rules and made the right bet.

Thanks!
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Added

6/23/2014    Italy v Uruguay    6/24/2014 9:00:00 AM    Match Odds    10.00    2.70    27.00    Won    4994

for 16 points total right now :>


I BTW noticed this guy Gustavo Llermaly had "Argentina +0.5 against Iran", how the hell did he do that Tongue? I could only chose Argentina -2  Roll Eyes

No way he could have chosen that spread, those users seem fishy but idk gl to you.

Gustavo posted every wager before every match as you can see in his Twitter thread.  He has been completely transparent and has wagered a good amount to achieve his perfect score to date.  The great thing about wagering and contests is not everyone bets the same and those that pick the ones that others say "No way" generally end up winning...or losing very big!

I already edited my post:

Edit: and im looking at his twitter page and he says another bunch of weird bets like Brazil +0.5 vs mexico , where the hell those bets are available? if brazil -1.5 was giving 1.700 odds what would be the odds for that ? 1.100 ?, now im seeing where did he choose that bets, for example for the match of france vs nigeria there are a handicap saying "Hcp with draw 1-0" and there is france +1 1.130 odds.
I dont even know what the hell that handicap means but for the odds i think that was the key for getting all the handicap points easily Cheesy

thankyou for the response anyway

Yeh, I wish it would have been clear which types of bets qualified in advance. On the spread bets I only bet on "asian handicap" and that was much much harder and I actually lost money w it (even though in the end I got all the points for it.)


19.  Select a winning moneyline wager from the round of 16 game 1 on 6/28 at 9:00am EST Brazil 5892 Brazil vs. Chile
Can Betcoin.AG explain me if this is another "trick" that I don't know of, because AFAIK that game resulted in a Draw? (I also had Brazil though btw Tongue)

To clarify this for the competition, all you have to do is pick a winning team and bet on a winning team.  Regardless of whether you win the bet or not, if you pick the team that wins the game, you earn the points.  IF YOU SELECTED BRAZIL TO WIN THE GAME, YOU EARNED THE POINTS.  We will have an updated leaderboard tomorrow.  
Why are you changing the rules? If a guy bet Brazil on a 3 way line that wager is a loss. The draw would be the winning play. Another ML bet would have to win to get the points according to the original rules.
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Added

6/23/2014    Italy v Uruguay    6/24/2014 9:00:00 AM    Match Odds    10.00    2.70    27.00    Won    4994

for 16 points total right now :>


I BTW noticed this guy Gustavo Llermaly had "Argentina +0.5 against Iran", how the hell did he do that Tongue? I could only chose Argentina -2  Roll Eyes

No way he could have chosen that spread, those users seem fishy but idk gl to you.

Gustavo posted every wager before every match as you can see in his Twitter thread.  He has been completely transparent and has wagered a good amount to achieve his perfect score to date.  The great thing about wagering and contests is not everyone bets the same and those that pick the ones that others say "No way" generally end up winning...or losing very big!

I already edited my post:

Edit: and im looking at his twitter page and he says another bunch of weird bets like Brazil +0.5 vs mexico , where the hell those bets are available? if brazil -1.5 was giving 1.700 odds what would be the odds for that ? 1.100 ?, now im seeing where did he choose that bets, for example for the match of france vs nigeria there are a handicap saying "Hcp with draw 1-0" and there is france +1 1.130 odds.
I dont even know what the hell that handicap means but for the odds i think that was the key for getting all the handicap points easily Cheesy

thankyou for the response anyway

Yeh, I wish it would have been clear which types of bets qualified in advance. On the spread bets I only bet on "asian handicap" and that was much much harder and I actually lost money w it (even though in the end I got all the points for it.)


19.  Select a winning moneyline wager from the round of 16 game 1 on 6/28 at 9:00am EST Brazil 5892 Brazil vs. Chile
Can Betcoin.AG explain me if this is another "trick" that I don't know of, because AFAIK that game resulted in a Draw? (I also had Brazil though btw Tongue)

To clarify this for the competition, all you have to do is pick a winning team and bet on a winning team.  Regardless of whether you win the bet or not, if you pick the team that wins the game, you earn the points.  IF YOU SELECTED BRAZIL TO WIN THE GAME, YOU EARNED THE POINTS.  We will have an updated leaderboard tomorrow.  
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Haha in fact this guy from twitter the guy who is perfect seems legit, he is from Chile and he seems to be a poker player or something also i think he lose the brazil vs chile bet.
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Added

6/23/2014    Italy v Uruguay    6/24/2014 9:00:00 AM    Match Odds    10.00    2.70    27.00    Won    4994

for 16 points total right now :>


I BTW noticed this guy Gustavo Llermaly had "Argentina +0.5 against Iran", how the hell did he do that Tongue? I could only chose Argentina -2  Roll Eyes

No way he could have chosen that spread, those users seem fishy but idk gl to you.

Gustavo posted every wager before every match as you can see in his Twitter thread.  He has been completely transparent and has wagered a good amount to achieve his perfect score to date.  The great thing about wagering and contests is not everyone bets the same and those that pick the ones that others say "No way" generally end up winning...or losing very big!

I already edited my post:

Edit: and im looking at his twitter page and he says another bunch of weird bets like Brazil +0.5 vs mexico , where the hell those bets are available? if brazil -1.5 was giving 1.700 odds what would be the odds for that ? 1.100 ?, now im seeing where did he choose that bets, for example for the match of france vs nigeria there are a handicap saying "Hcp with draw 1-0" and there is france +1 1.130 odds.
I dont even know what the hell that handicap means but for the odds i think that was the key for getting all the handicap points easily Cheesy

thankyou for the response anyway

Yeh, I wish it would have been clear which types of bets qualified in advance. On the spread bets I only bet on "asian handicap" and that was much much harder and I actually lost money w it (even though in the end I got all the points for it.)


19.  Select a winning moneyline wager from the round of 16 game 1 on 6/28 at 9:00am EST Brazil 5892 Brazil vs. Chile
Can Betcoin.AG explain me if this is another "trick" that I don't know of, because AFAIK that game resulted in a Draw? (I also had Brazil though btw Tongue)
I forgot about this but the contest is fixed. A guy from twitter or facebook will win and their picks will be perfect until it's locked up. You all should be able to figure out why this will happen. The BCT posters don't have a chance.

This makes no sense. 
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6/23/2014    Italy v Uruguay    6/24/2014 9:00:00 AM    Match Odds    10.00    2.70    27.00    Won    4994

for 16 points total right now :>


I BTW noticed this guy Gustavo Llermaly had "Argentina +0.5 against Iran", how the hell did he do that Tongue? I could only chose Argentina -2  Roll Eyes

No way he could have chosen that spread, those users seem fishy but idk gl to you.

Gustavo posted every wager before every match as you can see in his Twitter thread.  He has been completely transparent and has wagered a good amount to achieve his perfect score to date.  The great thing about wagering and contests is not everyone bets the same and those that pick the ones that others say "No way" generally end up winning...or losing very big!

I already edited my post:

Edit: and im looking at his twitter page and he says another bunch of weird bets like Brazil +0.5 vs mexico , where the hell those bets are available? if brazil -1.5 was giving 1.700 odds what would be the odds for that ? 1.100 ?, now im seeing where did he choose that bets, for example for the match of france vs nigeria there are a handicap saying "Hcp with draw 1-0" and there is france +1 1.130 odds.
I dont even know what the hell that handicap means but for the odds i think that was the key for getting all the handicap points easily Cheesy

thankyou for the response anyway

Yeh, I wish it would have been clear which types of bets qualified in advance. On the spread bets I only bet on "asian handicap" and that was much much harder and I actually lost money w it (even though in the end I got all the points for it.)


19.  Select a winning moneyline wager from the round of 16 game 1 on 6/28 at 9:00am EST Brazil 5892 Brazil vs. Chile
Can Betcoin.AG explain me if this is another "trick" that I don't know of, because AFAIK that game resulted in a Draw? (I also had Brazil though btw Tongue)
I forgot about this but the contest is fixed. A guy from twitter or facebook will win and their picks will be perfect until it's locked up. You all should be able to figure out why this will happen. The BCT posters don't have a chance.
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