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Topic: BetCrypto.cr, won big now feeling scammed out of 26,000 Euros - page 4. (Read 859 times)

legendary
Activity: 2632
Merit: 1462
Yes, I'm an asshole
I asked for the account to be disabled last year because I had been gambling a bit much. I admit this part was stupid of me, but I've been honest every step of the way, I'm not pretending my mums aunts cousin used my computer. I just feel that this is beyond harsh... I finally hit it big...

Just to understand more about this. The reason you stated on your email to them last year to disable your account, it's this? You happened to mention to them that you need to close your account because you gambled too much? Or you simply [as the casino wrote above yours] asked for it to be disabled without specific reason?



They can always open a ticket to close their account.

His original account was disable by his request so far we have proof of just one extra account but we don't know if he has more,  that's why multi account is not allowed

Also, we pay him 9k euros before his account was flag, and we have ALL the evidence about the other account he opened

We are sorry, but this is nothing new, multiaccount is not allowed at any online casino and each account counts  


You don't know he has multiple or you can't find more because he only have two [the one being closed and this new one being opened]?

A bit out of context, but to clarify, some casino actually allows multi acc, as long as it's not used with malicious intent like bypassing limitation or abusing bonus.
copper member
Activity: 239
Merit: 8
We see stories like this often, OP. In this section, there are several similar ones. But the fact that you consider yourself honest looks different for the casino. The casino has hundreds of users; if your IP address once appears in the system, then you must understand that all other accounts that will be assigned to you will be considered multi-accounts. Talking about your personal reasons for wanting to stop playing or not for the casino will not look like a sense of understanding; if you want to leave, leave, but the site remembers everything. On the Internet, we are all creative, and it is very easy to tell sob stories, so much so that scammers show other people’s documents. But another point is that they don’t have to believe you. There is a record, and you can't do anything against it.

Even with all that, I don't see what I did to take advantage of anything? My original account was closed, I played on only one account this year, and I never used any casino promotions. Only raw balance I deposited was used.

I understand that it was my mistake not to try and reactivate my original account, but I am struggling to view this as justification for confiscating 26,000 euros.

And in terms of honesty, if this casino posts their evidence, at least it will show explicitly that I only used one account this year and no bonus or wagering abuse.

We can share the evidence with a trusted member of the forum if we post it wild open, this will make some of our systems useless because now they will know what to hide

From what has been posted by the player and the casino,  there is no attempt to defraud, bonus abuse, circumvent limits, etc by the player.

The only reason the player disabled his account originally was to take a break as he may have been gambling too much.  Looking at the site, they have no tools for responsible gambling,  they do not even mention it anywhere on the site from what I can see,  not even a generic statement about how to seek help.  

The player also stated his original account was "gone"  the casino did not dispute this.   So, you can't really claim he is multiaccounting.  

The casino also boldy states here in this thread and on their site, they are a No KYC casino, which violates their agreement with providers such as pragmatic and hacksaw.

When you brag about being a no KYC casino,  you are going to attract multiaccounters anyways, so this does not seem to be a real concern of yours,  unless of course someone wins big and you don't want to pay... or cant pay.


Considering this was a casino launched with some reddit posts (I remember seeing those posts as well)   they likely do not have the funds to pay, or simply dont want to.  




They can always open a ticket to close their account.

His original account was disable by his request so far we have proof of just one extra account but we don't know if he has more,  that's why multi account is not allowed

Also, we pay him 9k euros before his account was flag, and we have ALL the evidence about the other account he opened

We are sorry, but this is nothing new, multiaccount is not allowed at any online casino and each account counts  
member
Activity: 67
Merit: 10
From what has been posted by the player and the casino,  there is no attempt to defraud, bonus abuse, circumvent limits, etc by the player.

The only reason the player disabled his account originally was to take a break as he may have been gambling too much.  Looking at the site, they have no tools for responsible gambling,  they do not even mention it anywhere on the site from what I can see,  not even a generic statement about how to seek help.  

The player also stated his original account was "gone"  the casino did not dispute this.   So, you can't really claim he is multiaccounting.  

The casino also boldy states here in this thread and on their site, they are a No KYC casino, which violates their agreement with providers such as pragmatic and hacksaw.

When you brag about being a no KYC casino,  you are going to attract multiaccounters anyways, so this does not seem to be a real concern of yours,  unless of course someone wins big and you don't want to pay... or cant pay.


Considering this was a casino launched with some reddit posts (I remember seeing those posts as well)   they likely do not have the funds to pay, or simply dont want to.  


newbie
Activity: 18
Merit: 0
We see stories like this often, OP. In this section, there are several similar ones. But the fact that you consider yourself honest looks different for the casino. The casino has hundreds of users; if your IP address once appears in the system, then you must understand that all other accounts that will be assigned to you will be considered multi-accounts. Talking about your personal reasons for wanting to stop playing or not for the casino will not look like a sense of understanding; if you want to leave, leave, but the site remembers everything. On the Internet, we are all creative, and it is very easy to tell sob stories, so much so that scammers show other people’s documents. But another point is that they don’t have to believe you. There is a record, and you can't do anything against it.

Even with all that, I don't see what I did to take advantage of anything? My original account was closed, I played on only one account this year, and I never used any casino promotions. Only raw balance I deposited was used.

I understand that it was my mistake not to try and reactivate my original account, but I am struggling to view this as justification for confiscating 26,000 euros.

And in terms of honesty, if this casino posts their evidence, at least it will show explicitly that I only used one account this year and no bonus or wagering abuse.
legendary
Activity: 2072
Merit: 4265
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We see stories like this often, OP. In this section, there are several similar ones. But the fact that you consider yourself honest looks different for the casino. The casino has hundreds of users; if your IP address once appears in the system, then you must understand that all other accounts that will be assigned to you will be considered multi-accounts. Talking about your personal reasons for wanting to stop playing or not for the casino will not look like a sense of understanding; if you want to leave, leave, but the site remembers everything. On the Internet, we are all creative, and it is very easy to tell sob stories, so much so that scammers show other people’s documents. But another point is that they don’t have to believe you. There is a record, and you can't do anything against it.
newbie
Activity: 18
Merit: 0
jesus! regardless of the reason why he had to register another account.
he disabled his first account that's why he created another account. i think the first account was already forfeited which means it shouldn't be considered an account anymore after being disabled.

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but why was the account disabled in the first place by you?  is Betcrypto.cr not saying something yet as to what happened to that old account?

I asked for the account to be disabled last year because I had been gambling a bit much. I admit this part was stupid of me, but I've been honest every step of the way, I'm not pretending my mums aunts cousin used my computer. I just feel that this is beyond harsh... I finally hit it big...
copper member
Activity: 239
Merit: 8
He opened a ticket just saying disable account

We are a non KYC casino, we can't allow multiple accounts.
legendary
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jesus! regardless of the reason why he had to register another account.
he disabled his first account that's why he created another account. i think the first account was already forfeited which means it shouldn't be considered an account anymore after being disabled.

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but why was the account disabled in the first place by you?  is Betcrypto.cr not saying something yet as to what happened to that old account?
copper member
Activity: 239
Merit: 8
Again, because I had a disabled account (which I disabled) and again, I did not claim any bonuses or abuse any wagering.

It boils down to you keeping 26000 euros on a technicality. Post all the evidence, because at least it will show that I'm honest about everything.

Multiple accounts are not allowed at all online casinos, we are not making a new kind of rule,  it not my fault you didn't read the ToS that rule is even bold and red.

I'm sorry but no exceptions   
newbie
Activity: 18
Merit: 0
Again, because I had a disabled account (which I disabled) and again, I did not claim any bonuses or abuse any wagering.

It boils down to you keeping 26000 euros on a technicality. Post all the evidence, because at least it will show that I'm honest about everything.
copper member
Activity: 239
Merit: 8
We are sorry, but our Terms and conditions are clear, ONE ACCOUNT PER PLAYER, you opened a second account and that's not allow, this rule is even bold and red in our terms and conditions page.

We want to point out with your second account, you were able to withdraw all your initial deposits + profits.


Furthermore, we have all the evidence you opened this second account, take into consideration we are not the only online casino with this rule so it is nothing new in this industry.

We can show all the evidence to a trusted member of the forum


I think it would be good if you could, at least you could show the reasoning behind confiscating 26,000 euros. I think this really just boils down to: you were happy to see me deposit and play, but then when I won you immediately had an excuse to not pay out. Essentially getting it both ways.

Hopefully when transgressions and evidence is posted it will justify your 26000 euro theft, but I don't feel like it will.  

We told you multiple accounts are not allowed

Also with your account BCE239 you deposited in total around €7000 and you were able to withdraw €9000 before our system flag your account.
newbie
Activity: 18
Merit: 0
We are sorry, but our Terms and conditions are clear, ONE ACCOUNT PER PLAYER, you opened a second account and that's not allow, this rule is even bold and red in our terms and conditions page.

We want to point out with your second account, you were able to withdraw all your initial deposits + profits.


Furthermore, we have all the evidence you opened this second account, take into consideration we are not the only online casino with this rule so it is nothing new in this industry.

We can show all the evidence to a trusted member of the forum


I think it would be good if you could, at least you could show the reasoning behind confiscating 26,000 euros. I think this really just boils down to: you were happy to see me deposit and play, but then when I won you immediately had an excuse to not pay out. Essentially getting it both ways.

Hopefully when transgressions and evidence is posted it will justify your 26000 euro theft, but I don't feel like it will. 
copper member
Activity: 239
Merit: 8
We are sorry, but our Terms and conditions are clear, ONE ACCOUNT PER PLAYER, you opened a second account and that's not allow, this rule is even bold and red in our terms and conditions page.

We want to point out with your second account, you were able to withdraw all your initial deposits + profits.


Furthermore, we have all the evidence you opened this second account, take into consideration we are not the only online casino with this rule so it is nothing new in this industry.

We can show all the evidence to a trusted member of the forum
newbie
Activity: 18
Merit: 0
What happened:: To set the scene, I found this casino from here and from the owners reddit posts. I created an account last year and had some fun. I started losing in December and decided to close my account. Roll around March this year, I get the urge to have another go. I check the website and my account is gone - which makes sense. I create a new account, deposit and start to play. This was my one and only mistake...

I never use welcome bonuses, I prefer to play only with raw deposits for context.

Well, I had the week of my life. I put in around 4500eur, and in the end I got 2 max wins on different hacksaws and my balance peaked at 35000EUR. I have linked an image of this below. My first withdraws went OK, but this casino still has withdraw limits of 5000 a week, so I was stuck after my first 2 withdraws.
Late last night, my heart falls out my chest - an email from BetCrypto. "Your Account has been terminated". This must be a mistake? But no, they've closed my account and are forfeiting all my funds due to multiaccounting. I tried talking to the owner, but his final say is that "it has been determined that you have disregarded this rule by maintaining multiple accounts on our platform", and that "However, it is essential for us to uphold the integrity of our platform and ensure a fair gaming environment for all our users. The rule regarding the prohibition of multiple accounts is in place to safeguard the fairness and transparency of our services.".

I've only ever had one open account with this site, and I never used any wagering or bonuses - I am a completely fair cash only player. I feel like this is a classic case of a casino using whatever fine print it can to get out of paying out a big win. The sickening thing about this is that the wins were probably the luckiest things that have ever happened to me, and I was planning to pay off all my gambling debt with this.

I'm only posting here as I have exhausted all options with the casino owner - obviously he does not want to pay me out. I post this here because I want it on the record - I trusted this casino and now I feel like I have been betrayed. I'm being treated like a cheat when all I ever was, was honest.

I didn't even want to make this post, I hoped that I would be able to clear things up with the owner, as he seemed reasonable. Alas I've been completely stonewalled.

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/betcryptocr-3515379

Reference Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/betcryptocr-no-kyc-casino-sportsbook-100-welcome-bonus-100-reload-bonus-5450567
Amount Scammed: €26,000
Payment Method: BTC
Proof of Payment: https://p.eax.re/F2T3BnI8UN3C.png
PM/Chat Logs: https://p.eax.re/vreGdc82kjfL.png
Additional Notes: If any more information / proof is required please let me know, I'll attach anything I have access to.
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