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Topic: Beterbiev Vs Smith January 13 SATURDAY IBF / WBC / WBO LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT Title - page 3. (Read 805 times)

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So now that Canelo Alvarez had signed a 3-fight deal with PBC, Bivol was hanging without an opponent. A pursuit of unifying the belt against the 3-belt holder Artur Beterbiev is in the picture but I wonder if both networks and promoters agree to a deal. But the longer this plays out, the more Beterbiev is disadvantaged due to his age so there is also the possibility that Top Rank and ESPN may not really want to match them unless Bivol can be signed by Top Rank.

DAZN and Eddie Hearn should let Bivol have a 1 or 2 fight deal under the exclusive rights of Top Rank and ESPN if they really want to happen it ASAP. The WBC is all about money so greedy Sulaiman can cancel or make an exemption on its nonsense ban on Russian fighters when given the right amount of cheque.

Well, to be honest, I pretty much hope that WBC will be bribed easily and that the right amount will do the trick to make the undisputed fight into reality before Beterbiev starts considering his retirement. I mean, the man is just a few years away from being a 40 years old and before his retirement phase, at least he can have that fight because it will be total waste if he will retire without having any chance of cementing his legacy.

If there will be no pressure from someone above, I think they can get the WBC's approval with the right figure since they are the only ones who are making a stand to stop the undisputed fight from happening. Other than that, both camps can begin their negotiation and it will be a smooth sailing discussion as long as Eddie Hearn will let Bob Arum to organize it as the latter have the right to demand because it is his boxer who got more belts to offer.

WBC should start to look on the bright side and just accept any offer that is presented on the horizon, there's no need for them to enforce these pressures because in the first place, these Russian boxers have nothing to do with what is happening up North, they are just a private individual who seeks a better future inside the boxing industry. It would be unfair if they will still enforce it these days as that's just like the same as racial profiling, sadly.

Bob Arum already said himself that the undisputed fight will not happen this year because WBC is still not inclined about it.
Link: https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/06/dmitry-bivol-vs-artur-beterbiev-wont-happen-this-year-says-bob-arum/#:~:text=By%20Sean%20Jones%3A%20Top%20Rank,current%20ban%20on%20Russian%20athletes.

That is a sad news because we are hoping that somehow this year, they can make a slight negotiation about the said undisputed fight while also working their permit with WBC in the safe side. Among the four sanctioning bodies, only the WBC is making a stand and while the remaining three seems inclined towards the fight because it's a nice paycheck for them.
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So now that Canelo Alvarez had signed a 3-fight deal with PBC, Bivol was hanging without an opponent. A pursuit of unifying the belt against the 3-belt holder Artur Beterbiev is in the picture but I wonder if both networks and promoters agree to a deal. But the longer this plays out, the more Beterbiev is disadvantaged due to his age so there is also the possibility that Top Rank and ESPN may not really want to match them unless Bivol can be signed by Top Rank.

DAZN and Eddie Hearn should let Bivol have a 1 or 2 fight deal under the exclusive rights of Top Rank and ESPN if they really want to happen it ASAP. The WBC is all about money so greedy Sulaiman can cancel or make an exemption on its nonsense ban on Russian fighters when given the right amount of cheque.

Well, to be honest, I pretty much hope that WBC will be bribed easily and that the right amount will do the trick to make the undisputed fight into reality before Beterbiev starts considering his retirement. I mean, the man is just a few years away from being a 40 years old and before his retirement phase, at least he can have that fight because it will be total waste if he will retire without having any chance of cementing his legacy.

If there will be no pressure from someone above, I think they can get the WBC's approval with the right figure since they are the only ones who are making a stand to stop the undisputed fight from happening. Other than that, both camps can begin their negotiation and it will be a smooth sailing discussion as long as Eddie Hearn will let Bob Arum to organize it as the latter have the right to demand because it is his boxer who got more belts to offer.

WBC should start to look on the bright side and just accept any offer that is presented on the horizon, there's no need for them to enforce these pressures because in the first place, these Russian boxers have nothing to do with what is happening up North, they are just a private individual who seeks a better future inside the boxing industry. It would be unfair if they will still enforce it these days as that's just like the same as racial profiling, sadly.
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So now that Canelo Alvarez had signed a 3-fight deal with PBC, Bivol was hanging without an opponent. A pursuit of unifying the belt against the 3-belt holder Artur Beterbiev is in the picture but I wonder if both networks and promoters agree to a deal. But the longer this plays out, the more Beterbiev is disadvantaged due to his age so there is also the possibility that Top Rank and ESPN may not really want to match them unless Bivol can be signed by Top Rank.

DAZN and Eddie Hearn should let Bivol have a 1 or 2 fight deal under the exclusive rights of Top Rank and ESPN if they really want to happen it ASAP. The WBC is all about money so greedy Sulaiman can cancel or make an exemption on its nonsense ban on Russian fighters when given the right amount of cheque.

Well, to be honest, I pretty much hope that WBC will be bribed easily and that the right amount will do the trick to make the undisputed fight into reality before Beterbiev starts considering his retirement. I mean, the man is just a few years away from being a 40 years old and before his retirement phase, at least he can have that fight because it will be total waste if he will retire without having any chance of cementing his legacy.

If there will be no pressure from someone above, I think they can get the WBC's approval with the right figure since they are the only ones who are making a stand to stop the undisputed fight from happening. Other than that, both camps can begin their negotiation and it will be a smooth sailing discussion as long as Eddie Hearn will let Bob Arum to organize it as the latter have the right to demand because it is his boxer who got more belts to offer.
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So now that Canelo Alvarez had signed a 3-fight deal with PBC, Bivol was hanging without an opponent. A pursuit of unifying the belt against the 3-belt holder Artur Beterbiev is in the picture but I wonder if both networks and promoters agree to a deal. But the longer this plays out, the more Beterbiev is disadvantaged due to his age so there is also the possibility that Top Rank and ESPN may not really want to match them unless Bivol can be signed by Top Rank.

DAZN and Eddie Hearn should let Bivol have a 1 or 2 fight deal under the exclusive rights of Top Rank and ESPN if they really want to happen it ASAP. The WBC is all about money so greedy Sulaiman can cancel or make an exemption on its nonsense ban on Russian fighters when given the right amount of cheque.

Well, to be honest, I pretty much hope that WBC will be bribed easily and that the right amount will do the trick to make the undisputed fight into reality before Beterbiev starts considering his retirement. I mean, the man is just a few years away from being a 40 years old and before his retirement phase, at least he can have that fight because it will be total waste if he will retire without having any chance of cementing his legacy.
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So now that Canelo Alvarez had signed a 3-fight deal with PBC, Bivol was hanging without an opponent. A pursuit of unifying the belt against the 3-belt holder Artur Beterbiev is in the picture but I wonder if both networks and promoters agree to a deal. But the longer this plays out, the more Beterbiev is disadvantaged due to his age so there is also the possibility that Top Rank and ESPN may not really want to match them unless Bivol can be signed by Top Rank.

DAZN and Eddie Hearn should let Bivol have a 1 or 2 fight deal under the exclusive rights of Top Rank and ESPN if they really want to happen it ASAP. The WBC is all about money so greedy Sulaiman can cancel or make an exemption on its nonsense ban on Russian fighters when given the right amount of cheque.
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I feel you mate, I just found out last year too that there is this three-belt champion called Artur Beterbiev who is secretly dominating in the light-heavyweight division. I cannot deny that boxers in this category are not making enough noise in the division because there are some weight classes in the lower division that are quite packed compared to this division where we only know a handful of boxers.

There's not much noise when only one champion is ruling in one weight division like what Inoue is doing in his division, there's a huge demand for the Bivol - Beterbiev fight because they are the only fighters who's been ruling this division, once they met and one of them become an undisputed champion, the division is not challenging anymore.
Though welterweight is very different because its a category that is laden with talented boxers but in the light heavyweight everything is quiet here, there's not much controversy.

Not really comparable to Naoya Inoue's time when he was still in bantamweight division, yes he may be the strongest in that division but there are others as well who would want to take a piece from him and one of them is John Riel Casimero. These two names have been frequently called to see who is indeed the stronger one, we can only speculate who because fate is not that interested to make it happen, as of now.
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I feel you mate, I just found out last year too that there is this three-belt champion called Artur Beterbiev who is secretly dominating in the light-heavyweight division. I cannot deny that boxers in this category are not making enough noise in the division because there are some weight classes in the lower division that are quite packed compared to this division where we only know a handful of boxers.

There's not much noise when only one champion is ruling in one weight division like what Inoue is doing in his division, there's a huge demand for the Bivol - Beterbiev fight because they are the only fighters who's been ruling this division, once they met and one of them become an undisputed champion, the division is not challenging anymore.
Though welterweight is very different because its a category that is laden with talented boxers but in the light heavyweight everything is quiet here, there's not much controversy.
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I wonder why there are no people talking about this fight these days, I think maybe because Beterbiev is not fighting against some great contender available in their weight division and Smith is just some other boxer that he will gonna beat easily in their upcoming fight. Nevertheless, this is another good warm-up fight for Beterbiev because after this, he might get the best fight he really wanted all these years and we know that he is not gonna be coming for the title, he just wanted to beat everyone out there that are at the top of their weight division.

Maybe, but you have to understand that there are a lot of fight this coming July, so fans are more interested on,

Spence vs Crawford, Inoue vs Fulton, and Donaire vs Santiago.

And what we want to see in this weight division is a unification fight between Beterbiev and Bivol, but not going to happen because of boxing politics as we all know of. And this could be just another get busy fight for Beterbiev, he needs to be active as he is not getting any younger.

Aside from that, avid boxing fans are not that inclined or interested to see this fight that is why it's not gaining any attention from the public since it was announced because no offense to Callum Smith and to his fans, people just don't see him to make any difference and winning because Beterbiev is just on a different league compared to him.

Smith will just be an additional to Beterbiev's record and will be among those boxers who have been defeated by a way of KO/TKO that will cement his legacy further.

And so I did watch some clips of Beterbiev and it's really scary how powerful his punches are because it the clip was from just a cellphone so it's very raw and the one taking it is on the ringside.

You can hear his punches once it landed on his opponent and you can see the opponents face. He just grimaces in pain and just take a knee and maybe hoping that the fight will be over.

I feel you mate, I just found out last year too that there is this three-belt champion called Artur Beterbiev who is secretly dominating in the light-heavyweight division. I cannot deny that boxers in this category are not making enough noise in the division because there are some weight classes in the lower division that are quite packed compared to this division where we only know a handful of boxers.
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I wonder why there are no people talking about this fight these days, I think maybe because Beterbiev is not fighting against some great contender available in their weight division and Smith is just some other boxer that he will gonna beat easily in their upcoming fight. Nevertheless, this is another good warm-up fight for Beterbiev because after this, he might get the best fight he really wanted all these years and we know that he is not gonna be coming for the title, he just wanted to beat everyone out there that are at the top of their weight division.

Maybe, but you have to understand that there are a lot of fight this coming July, so fans are more interested on,

Spence vs Crawford, Inoue vs Fulton, and Donaire vs Santiago.

And what we want to see in this weight division is a unification fight between Beterbiev and Bivol, but not going to happen because of boxing politics as we all know of. And this could be just another get busy fight for Beterbiev, he needs to be active as he is not getting any younger.

Aside from that, avid boxing fans are not that inclined or interested to see this fight that is why it's not gaining any attention from the public since it was announced because no offense to Callum Smith and to his fans, people just don't see him to make any difference and winning because Beterbiev is just on a different league compared to him.

Smith will just be an additional to Beterbiev's record and will be among those boxers who have been defeated by a way of KO/TKO that will cement his legacy further.

And so I did watch some clips of Beterbiev and it's really scary how powerful his punches are because it the clip was from just a cellphone so it's very raw and the one taking it is on the ringside.

You can hear his punches once it landed on his opponent and you can see the opponents face. He just grimaces in pain and just take a knee and maybe hoping that the fight will be over.
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I wonder why there are no people talking about this fight these days, I think maybe because Beterbiev is not fighting against some great contender available in their weight division and Smith is just some other boxer that he will gonna beat easily in their upcoming fight. Nevertheless, this is another good warm-up fight for Beterbiev because after this, he might get the best fight he really wanted all these years and we know that he is not gonna be coming for the title, he just wanted to beat everyone out there that are at the top of their weight division.

Maybe, but you have to understand that there are a lot of fight this coming July, so fans are more interested on,

Spence vs Crawford, Inoue vs Fulton, and Donaire vs Santiago.

And what we want to see in this weight division is a unification fight between Beterbiev and Bivol, but not going to happen because of boxing politics as we all know of. And this could be just another get busy fight for Beterbiev, he needs to be active as he is not getting any younger.

Aside from that, avid boxing fans are not that inclined or interested to see this fight that is why it's not gaining any attention from the public since it was announced because no offense to Callum Smith and to his fans, people just don't see him to make any difference and winning because Beterbiev is just on a different league compared to him.

Smith will just be an additional to Beterbiev's record and will be among those boxers who have been defeated by a way of KO/TKO that will cement his legacy further.
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I wonder why there are no people talking about this fight these days, I think maybe because Beterbiev is not fighting against some great contender available in their weight division and Smith is just some other boxer that he will gonna beat easily in their upcoming fight. Nevertheless, this is another good warm-up fight for Beterbiev because after this, he might get the best fight he really wanted all these years and we know that he is not gonna be coming for the title, he just wanted to beat everyone out there that are at the top of their weight division.

Maybe, but you have to understand that there are a lot of fight this coming July, so fans are more interested on,

Spence vs Crawford, Inoue vs Fulton, and Donaire vs Santiago.

And what we want to see in this weight division is a unification fight between Beterbiev and Bivol, but not going to happen because of boxing politics as we all know of. And this could be just another get busy fight for Beterbiev, he needs to be active as he is not getting any younger.

He truly needs a big fight to further showcase his greatness, just like how Canelo proved himself when he became undisputed. Perhaps Canelo would be interested in fighting Beterbiev, but the potential issue could lie in the income sharing between them. Knowing Canelo, he would always seek a bigger slice of the pie, as seen in his stance against Bivol, which is why the latter did not accept the offer.
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I wonder why there are no people talking about this fight these days, I think maybe because Beterbiev is not fighting against some great contender available in their weight division and Smith is just some other boxer that he will gonna beat easily in their upcoming fight. Nevertheless, this is another good warm-up fight for Beterbiev because after this, he might get the best fight he really wanted all these years and we know that he is not gonna be coming for the title, he just wanted to beat everyone out there that are at the top of their weight division.

Maybe, but you have to understand that there are a lot of fight this coming July, so fans are more interested on,

Spence vs Crawford, Inoue vs Fulton, and Donaire vs Santiago.

And what we want to see in this weight division is a unification fight between Beterbiev and Bivol, but not going to happen because of boxing politics as we all know of. And this could be just another get busy fight for Beterbiev, he needs to be active as he is not getting any younger.
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I wonder why there are no people talking about this fight these days, I think maybe because Beterbiev is not fighting against some great contender available in their weight division and Smith is just some other boxer that he will gonna beat easily in their upcoming fight. Nevertheless, this is another good warm-up fight for Beterbiev because after this, he might get the best fight he really wanted all these years and we know that he is not gonna be coming for the title, he just wanted to beat everyone out there that are at the top of their weight division.
That may be the reason why when a highly popular boxer chooses to fight against an opponent who is clearly expected to lose, it can dampen the excitement. Perhaps they need to enhance their public relations efforts and generate some hype for this fight if possible. Ultimately, it's still about the money they'll generate from this fight. The fact that this fight is happening signifies that the promoters believe it will be a profitable event.
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I wonder why there are no people talking about this fight these days, I think maybe because Beterbiev is not fighting against some great contender available in their weight division and Smith is just some other boxer that he will gonna beat easily in their upcoming fight. Nevertheless, this is another good warm-up fight for Beterbiev because after this, he might get the best fight he really wanted all these years and we know that he is not gonna be coming for the title, he just wanted to beat everyone out there that are at the top of their weight division.
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Making a Bivol as their business logo of their camp, we cannot blame them if they try and impose the same terms on Bivol for the said rematch because who knows, Bivols camp might agree with it as Canelo can always offer a much bigger fight than anybody he had fought with. But since Bivol's camp have already said that they are not going to be interested if it's the same term, then Canelo and his camp together with Eddie Hearn should adjust with it so that they can make the fight happen.
It's easy to understand Canelo doesn't want to fight Bivol and he wants to impose to show that he is A level here because it will boost his confidence, Bivol's camp is right in his decision not to fight him and let it stay for the record that Bivol beat Canelo decisively, on Canelo's first loss against Mayweather his alibi is he is too young when he fought Mayweather and now he cannot make a rematch because Floyd is already retired, I don't think that he can make a valid alibi that he cannot fight Bivol because he wants to impose the same terms.
In the future Canelo cannot make that alibi if ever their rematch did not push through, he has to protect his legacy and he can do that by beating Bivol and even the score.
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If Canelo Alvarez will still try and push a rematch while having the same terms and having him in the A-side will indeed make the fight seems impossible to materialize because chasing for a rematch means that he needs to be humble too while accepting the fact that the A-side will not belong to him anymore. After all, he should make all amends as possible so that he can get the approval from Bivol's camp as currently, they are not interested as they have their eyes set to another prize.

I hope he will realize that the terms have to change since this is a rematch, and he wants to redeem himself against Bivol. It will not work if he expects a bigger share in the fight, considering that Bivol is the current champion and the one who defeated him in their previous fight. In my opinion, that's being greedy and unfair in terms of the proper way of negotiation. Although this mostly revolves around money, respect is a must for the fighter who is at the top.

Making a Bivol as their business logo of their camp, we cannot blame them if they try and impose the same terms on Bivol for the said rematch because who knows, Bivols camp might agree with it as Canelo can always offer a much bigger fight than anybody he had fought with. But since Bivol's camp have already said that they are not going to be interested if it's the same term, then Canelo and his camp together with Eddie Hearn should adjust with it so that they can make the fight happen.
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If Canelo Alvarez will still try and push a rematch while having the same terms and having him in the A-side will indeed make the fight seems impossible to materialize because chasing for a rematch means that he needs to be humble too while accepting the fact that the A-side will not belong to him anymore. After all, he should make all amends as possible so that he can get the approval from Bivol's camp as currently, they are not interested as they have their eyes set to another prize.

I hope he will realize that the terms have to change since this is a rematch, and he wants to redeem himself against Bivol. It will not work if he expects a bigger share in the fight, considering that Bivol is the current champion and the one who defeated him in their previous fight. In my opinion, that's being greedy and unfair in terms of the proper way of negotiation. Although this mostly revolves around money, respect is a must for the fighter who is at the top.
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Although Bivol and his camp shows intentions already to make this fight with Beterbiev. However, Beterbiev will have to go and win against Smith first. The thoughts of this 2 Russians fighting for the unification came to fruition when Bivol and his camp are not satisfied with what Canelo is offering them for a rematch. For them at least a good 50/50 split will make sense since Bivol already beat Canelo in their first fight. But it seems Canelo still wanted to get the biggest split of the purse and the money in the table which for now Bivol and his team rejected.

I've read Canelo's announcement and its arrogant for him to give Bivol that kind of a deal he was dominated, if he wants to avenge his loss and prove that he can beat the guy he should have given Bivol a fair deal to make the fight happen, Canelo knows Bivol will not accept the offer so Canelo can justify why he doesn't want to fight Bivol.

Light heavyweight will never be Canelo's territory because it is ruled by two of the most powerful punchers in Bivol and Beterbiev, Canelo should not over-extend himself.

Canelo still have the leverage over getting big cuts even when he is only a leftover. Can't say he doesn't have a place but because the promotion is with him, he can dictate terms.
Bivol vs AB I guess will happen if that is the case. Which promotion will take them can be a question. Would it be easy to promote a fight where the main event are both Russian? Adding big names in the main card will probably make the hype.


Yes, it is true that Canelo still have the leverage to be in the A-side after all what happened to him recently but asking for a rematch while having the same terms? That is quite absurd because they thought that Bivol will just agree with it just because fighting Canelo is a sure money, but no. Bivol's camp and manager, Vadim Kornilov, is not interested with it as they think that Canelo is just underestimating them for giving the same terms instead of him chasing them as Canelo was the one who lost the first fight.

If Canelo Alvarez will still try and push a rematch while having the same terms and having him in the A-side will indeed make the fight seems impossible to materialize because chasing for a rematch means that he needs to be humble too while accepting the fact that the A-side will not belong to him anymore. After all, he should make all amends as possible so that he can get the approval from Bivol's camp as currently, they are not interested as they have their eyes set to another prize.
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Although Bivol and his camp shows intentions already to make this fight with Beterbiev. However, Beterbiev will have to go and win against Smith first. The thoughts of this 2 Russians fighting for the unification came to fruition when Bivol and his camp are not satisfied with what Canelo is offering them for a rematch. For them at least a good 50/50 split will make sense since Bivol already beat Canelo in their first fight. But it seems Canelo still wanted to get the biggest split of the purse and the money in the table which for now Bivol and his team rejected.

I've read Canelo's announcement and its arrogant for him to give Bivol that kind of a deal he was dominated, if he wants to avenge his loss and prove that he can beat the guy he should have given Bivol a fair deal to make the fight happen, Canelo knows Bivol will not accept the offer so Canelo can justify why he doesn't want to fight Bivol.

Light heavyweight will never be Canelo's territory because it is ruled by two of the most powerful punchers in Bivol and Beterbiev, Canelo should not over-extend himself.

Canelo still have the leverage over getting big cuts even when he is only a leftover. Can't say he doesn't have a place but because the promotion is with him, he can dictate terms.
Bivol vs AB I guess will happen if that is the case. Which promotion will take them can be a question. Would it be easy to promote a fight where the main event are both Russian? Adding big names in the main card will probably make the hype.


Yes, it is true that Canelo still have the leverage to be in the A-side after all what happened to him recently but asking for a rematch while having the same terms? That is quite absurd because they thought that Bivol will just agree with it just because fighting Canelo is a sure money, but no. Bivol's camp and manager, Vadim Kornilov, is not interested with it as they think that Canelo is just underestimating them for giving the same terms instead of him chasing them as Canelo was the one who lost the first fight.
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Although Bivol and his camp shows intentions already to make this fight with Beterbiev. However, Beterbiev will have to go and win against Smith first. The thoughts of this 2 Russians fighting for the unification came to fruition when Bivol and his camp are not satisfied with what Canelo is offering them for a rematch. For them at least a good 50/50 split will make sense since Bivol already beat Canelo in their first fight. But it seems Canelo still wanted to get the biggest split of the purse and the money in the table which for now Bivol and his team rejected.

I've read Canelo's announcement and its arrogant for him to give Bivol that kind of a deal he was dominated, if he wants to avenge his loss and prove that he can beat the guy he should have given Bivol a fair deal to make the fight happen, Canelo knows Bivol will not accept the offer so Canelo can justify why he doesn't want to fight Bivol.

Light heavyweight will never be Canelo's territory because it is ruled by two of the most powerful punchers in Bivol and Beterbiev, Canelo should not over-extend himself.

Canelo still have the leverage over getting big cuts even when he is only a leftover. Can't say he doesn't have a place but because the promotion is with him, he can dictate terms.
Bivol vs AB I guess will happen if that is the case. Which promotion will take them can be a question. Would it be easy to promote a fight where the main event are both Russian? Adding big names in the main card will probably make the hype.
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