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Yeh, if I see the script, it should be understandable Smiley


Still a description with some information should probably be somewhere Tongue but script works for me.

Yeah, I'll add a description to our FAQ.

Actually, the reason it was done server-side is that it actually calls the live roll-generation code with the parameters supplied by the verification page. I opted for this method in order to make 100% that there are no divergences between actual betting and verification code.

So given the above, I'd prefer to actually keep it server-side. Do you see a problem with this as long as I supply the exact method used to calculate the bet outcome so you can verify that it's correct and (optionally) implement this verification on your site?

Please don't get me wrong. I have no problem doing this client side, but I think there's a certain charm (code-wise) when the verifier calls the actual code which is used during live-betting.
I understand what you mean, but disagree. The thing is, obviously we use provably fair so we don't need to "trust" the site. You give us bet results, and with provably fair we can verify if that's correct. For the verification script, IMO it means we can verify the bets without having to trust you. By making it server-side, we still have to trust you.

In theory if you are rigging it (of course you are not Tongue but example) then you would easily return the server-side results as verified too. By making it client-side, this trust would be less. Of course in theory we still have to trust that your JS script is legit, but at least we can check that (if you have the knowledge.) Actually that's why an external script (even if it's a site-made JSFiddle!) is much better.


That being said. I still disagree with some fundamentals as discussed a long time ago: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12015013 (basically: needs to generate the clientseed between every bet in the browser with cryptographically secure method.) I don't think you guys changed that yet (to for example RHavar's solution.) I also discussed it a bit at Rollin thread - they did change it after few days: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--687571 IMO the provably fair implementation is barely provably fair at this moment. So TBH I think that verification script isn't a high priority compared to that.


Obviously I don't think you are doing anything malicious or whatever, but the provably fair method can have some improvements. I also realize you have been busy and I can see the amount of time the Rubies addition must have cost, so I am glad you guys keep improving. Still I think that provably fair implementation should be "fixed" too Tongue


Anyway, thanks for adding the FAQ text, I will have a closer look at the Rubies bet algorithm if I got a time Smiley

Thanks for your input. Can we discuss technical details on skype (or some other realtime chat tool) sometime?

Nico, still waiting for you to contact me on skype so we can discuss how to change this to everybody's satisfaction.
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GL to those taking part in the March Madness event! For those that aren't aware, the rewards, on top of winning the grand prize are free Rubies. To help break it down a bit...

You get 3 Rubies for every 0.1 BTC in volume
1 Ruby is currently worth 0.00015+
That means 0.00045 per 0.1 BTC in volume

BUT because of how Rubies are distributed, they are already getting more and more rare, so the price is likely to go up. Or you can use them for betting. Or you can sell them. All the while earning those, you're also shooting for the grand prize of 4 BTC.

(For those that aren't aware, if you bet 1 BTC at 1.02x, which is a 98.x% chance, that still counts as 1 BTC wagered towards the contest and means 30 Rubies are earned instantly, which would be around 0.0045 BTC)

Disclaimer: don't risk more than you can afford to lose. It's a game. Don't let it consume you, Smiley.

Its really a nice educating post and the last line was an absolute killer

So often we get carried away and invest our wealth and suddenly realize we lost all which we could not afford

However in Rbies the Verification system is Nice and hence we need not get worried about house having more edge Smiley
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GL to those taking part in the March Madness event! For those that aren't aware, the rewards, on top of winning the grand prize are free Rubies. To help break it down a bit...

You get 3 Rubies for every 0.1 BTC in volume
1 Ruby is currently worth 0.00015+
That means 0.00045 per 0.1 BTC in volume

BUT because of how Rubies are distributed, they are already getting more and more rare, so the price is likely to go up. Or you can use them for betting. Or you can sell them. All the while earning those, you're also shooting for the grand prize of 4 BTC.

(For those that aren't aware, if you bet 1 BTC at 1.02x, which is a 98.x% chance, that still counts as 1 BTC wagered towards the contest and means 30 Rubies are earned instantly, which would be around 0.0045 BTC)

Disclaimer: don't risk more than you can afford to lose. It's a game. Don't let it consume you, Smiley.
Nice breakdown of the numbers ranlo. Good to see you helping out with promoting rubies Smiley
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GL to those taking part in the March Madness event! For those that aren't aware, the rewards, on top of winning the grand prize are free Rubies. To help break it down a bit...

You get 3 Rubies for every 0.1 BTC in volume
1 Ruby is currently worth 0.00015+
That means 0.00045 per 0.1 BTC in volume

BUT because of how Rubies are distributed, they are already getting more and more rare, so the price is likely to go up. Or you can use them for betting. Or you can sell them. All the while earning those, you're also shooting for the grand prize of 4 BTC.

(For those that aren't aware, if you bet 1 BTC at 1.02x, which is a 98.x% chance, that still counts as 1 BTC wagered towards the contest and means 30 Rubies are earned instantly, which would be around 0.0045 BTC)

Disclaimer: don't risk more than you can afford to lose. It's a game. Don't let it consume you, Smiley.
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I'm going to deposit 0.01 BTC right now, it's my first time really depositing a legit amount. Hopefully all goes well!
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Check the altcoin thread Taxmanmt5, and this is just the start Smiley Much more coming this month.
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Trade-Mining distribution phase for Rubies now launched! Find out more on the Rubies thread!


March Madness is really cool however there could have been Multiple prizes if not like shopping cart as you always say

May be 2 extra prizes for runner ups will be a good deal !
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Trade-Mining distribution phase for Rubies now launched! Find out more on the Rubies thread!

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Do you have a plan to add rubies faucet on your site? I think it would be great to see rubies faucet, at least for some new players who have not own any rubies. Just in case it is possible, since you are using moneypot.

Hi Bitinity. Yes we have. It is a part of future versions to our site.
That said, and with the new model purpose by the MP team , which it will support alt-coins, them the adoption of rubies faucets will be a true reallity.


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Confirming this, we are working on Rubies (and other alts) integration, hopefully should be ready within the next month or two Smiley
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Do you have a plan to add rubies faucet on your site? I think it would be great to see rubies faucet, at least for some new players who have not own any rubies. Just in case it is possible, since you are using moneypot.

Hi Bitinity. Yes we have. It is a part of future versions to our site.
That said, and with the new model purpose by the MP team , which it will support alt-coins, them the adoption of rubies faucets will be a true reallity.


Keep playing at betterbets.io

Cheers!! ●‿●

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Do you have a plan to add rubies faucet on your site? I think it would be great to see rubies faucet, at least for some new players who have not own any rubies. Just in case it is possible, since you are using moneypot.
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If I may ask, why did you go for the Rubies angle? Do you think it makes the gambling easier or more complex? I never understand why sites go for a Alt coin alternative and not stay with purely Bitcoin? Sorry if I ask a misguided question, but I am intrigued by these moves.

Thanks for any feedback in advance. ^smile^

Hello,


Good questions, I don't want to bore people with all the details but when I first started working on the concept of Rubies and "Bet-Mining" it was back in August of last year. I made a post many months ago hinting about it, the whole premise for this was that "No player walks away empty handed". I wanted to see if there was a way we could have people play on BetterBets and even if they lost their BTC during a betting session they would still have something to take home with them, thus Rubies was born from this.

It has evolved many times and been reworked to become a top ten altcoin so that those who were loyal to Rubies would be extremely happy when they earned them. This is literally only the beginning though, and this coin will be far greater than it's early distribution model in time. On March 1st we are launching the March Madness promotion to further strengthen the foundation for Rubies, and you will see much of the work that has been done behind the scenes to make it amazing for everyone.

-Bjorn

edit:March Madness is going to show everyone we do not want to have Rubies centralized on our site, we are just the birthplace and one current business accepting it's usage. Keep this in mind as we show you what is coming soon!
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Okay, I noticed the following:
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You will notice that the "salt" parameter is optional. The reason for this is that during a live roll generation, the salt is derived from a millisecond-accurate system clock time which is enough to randomize it as an input.
So I had to have a look. Basically: you should never use time within a provably fair implementation. It automatically makes the provably fair implementation 100% not provably fair Tongue

The reason is simple: it's extremely easy for you, as site, to do this:
- If winning bet > add millisecond.
There is no way for the player to know if a millisecond has been added or not. Therefor it's extremely easy for you to cheat players and therefor the Rubies bet provably fair implementation is not provably fair. Of course I am not claiming you are doing this and I personally would trust you guys. But provably fair is all about not having to trust the site owners.


(The "bitcoin provably fair implementation" is basically just questionable. RHavar and I had a discussion about it before and he finds it very unlikely to be really exploitable by the site and I kinda agree with that. But the Rubies provably fair implementation is really just wrong.)


Sure, I will PM my skype name.

You know, you're right. An the truth is, I never looked at it from that point of view ... I guess I just don't have the cheater/scammer mindset :-)

I sent you a skype contact request, lets talk about some technical details and then get this fixed.
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If I may ask, why did you go for the Rubies angle? Do you think it makes the gambling easier or more complex? I never understand why sites go for a Alt coin alternative and not stay with purely Bitcoin? Sorry if I ask a misguided question, but I am intrigued by these moves.

Thanks for any feedback in advance. ^smile^
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Okay, I noticed the following:
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You will notice that the "salt" parameter is optional. The reason for this is that during a live roll generation, the salt is derived from a millisecond-accurate system clock time which is enough to randomize it as an input.
So I had to have a look. Basically: you should never use time within a provably fair implementation. It automatically makes the provably fair implementation 100% not provably fair Tongue

The reason is simple: it's extremely easy for you, as site, to do this:
- If winning bet > add millisecond.
There is no way for the player to know if a millisecond has been added or not. Therefor it's extremely easy for you to cheat players and therefor the Rubies bet provably fair implementation is not provably fair. Of course I am not claiming you are doing this and I personally would trust you guys. But provably fair is all about not having to trust the site owners.


(The "bitcoin provably fair implementation" is basically just questionable. RHavar and I had a discussion about it before and he finds it very unlikely to be really exploitable by the site and I kinda agree with that. But the Rubies provably fair implementation is really just wrong.)


Sure, I will PM my skype name.

I have forwarded your post to Lobos, he had to sleep though and will connect with you to get this changed. Obviously, we have zero intention of giving coins to the Bitcoin/Altcoin population only to cheat them, but there is room for improvement and I agree.

Check your pm's from ~50 days ago I didn't hear back from you on this.
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