Topic: BetterCallRaul.it Domain Scam confirmed - page 2. (Read 816 times)

It's confirmed BetterCallRaul.it rug pulled and scammed us 0.05836495 BTC which they were supposed to spend in their signature campaign. I was considering, it's just a normal delay from them being busy (like sometimes it happen with many projects that are marketing their brand from few weeks and paying regularly, but eventually they pay) but it seems it was planned from them not to spend anymore but to take the chance of free advertising and close the business. I am glad that I paused the campaign as fast as I could or the scammed amount could be more.

A type 3 flag has been created: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3168
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A negative feedback from me on the process with the reference of this post.

As a campaign manager it's hard to make quick decision and conclude a brand that you are working, has rug pulled and scammed. If the manager is wrong then it will effect dangerously to the brand image which could be an unforgivable mistake for the profession we are in. However, a regular forum member can do it very easily. If it turns out a mistake from them then they don't have to answer anyone or not liable to answer anyone. But for a campaign managers point of view, it needs concrete evidence before standing against a brand that they are paid to increase the brand value. It takes time to collect evidences and be 100% sure from all possible sources we have before concluding a case. I hope it clears some doubt of why I did not act quickly to call it a scam. But now, there are no hesitation to declare that it's a scam.

It's a shame, and highly low value moral from whoever behind the BetterCallRaul.it project.


Can you update the main thread with the link of the flag please?
Keep it at the beginning of all contents. Something like

The name of the site is suspicious since it doesn't really sound like a serious platform that's why I also suspect that this is exit scam so that they will get a supposed to be valid reason not to compensate their existing clients. This is bad excuse since maybe there will be more platform will follow and used this seized word as reason to do their glamorous exit.

Crazy things happen and maybe this is planned exit and hopefully this one didn't create big damage financially to large group of people here.

I hope he does, Royse is doing a high-standard campaign he doesn't deserve this kind of treatment from developers, this is one of the many risks of being a campaign manager, you have an obligation to the project you are managing and to your participants as well but from the looks of it its a rug pull it is very obvious, it's a fake and photoshopped script and there's no announcement of being seized even though he logs in to his account.
The developer thought that we will not catch him pulling the plug with his fake script many members are good in analyzing what happen.

Personally, I think it's scam, but the reason they used ChipMixer is because many  would be afraid to announce that he was scammed. A lot of people who used Chipmixer did not report any scam because they are afraid of the legal issue, so this little trick will scare a lot of people.

Inevitably, someone will appear and say that he lost a large sum and announcing that the site has been sized will make him a little afraid or avoid using legal methods.

Yes, I have been here in the community for 6 years and this is the first time that I heard this kind of exit scams from no less than an bitcoin tumbler. They usually disappear though with customers funds (assuming some whale used this websites to mix his coins and then the people behind just took it).


Hopefully they login to talk to the campaign manager and clear everything up because this is getting out of hand.

They still logged in account hours ago and reading our scam accusation and responded to our complaints by taking off their fake background photo and shutdown their website that is no longer seized now.

bettercallraul profile. They logged in or CIA logged in the account?  

They just made another stupid activity by logged in account to read. Stupid scam exit and not yet arrested by police.

The whole thing with the forged seized warning makes no sense either and I'm not sure what they would want to accomplish
- delay scam accusation? They will happen the next moment anyhow as we can see
- stop people from complaining and pursue them? Not going to occur if large sums are involved
- it will just bring more attention than a simple website wipeout (like now)

Not sure what they were dealing with behind the scene but probably it wasn't profitable to run so they decided it was better to shut down abruptly and maybe trap a bit of custom funds (if any?) along with the unpaid signatures. Or all of this so-called business was just a front to attract buyers for their token and it either failed or it was enough to move on?

Either way, this just looks like one of the stupidest exit scams I've witnessed around here.

This case is just really mysterious to me, hehehe. I don't know but I will play a devils advocate here. The domain name itself, not sure if anyone here is familiar with "Breaking Bad" tv series that was a hit in 2008-2013, a story about a a chemistry teacher who struggles in life, and then he was diagnosed with a lung cancer. And suddenly turn his skills into good use by becoming a drug dealer to produce and distribute methamphetamine.

And then a spin off titled "Better Call Saul" (sounds familiar?), which is the prequel, set before the original "Breaking Bad", but shows the moral decline of the character that really shows how he turns to be the bad guy in the end, so it's a tragedy, again, sounds familiar? hehehehe.

The majority of us here believe its a scam, they are in a hurry to pull it off by posting a fake and photoshopped seizure, and since they log in they cannot make an announcement that they are seized because they are first exposed of rug pull, I wonder if there are traders who lose money, if there are they can post it here for reference.
OP did not lose money here since his reference is the signature campaign which he is not a part of.

I am not surprised that this new and unknown exchange platform, "BetterCallRaul," has turned into a scam, Even the domain name does not refer to a brand or something like that, but rather to a person, and it is not known who he is. I felt uncomfortable with this exchange, which I saw for the first time being promoted in a signature campaign; Sad for the people who trusted this scam exchange and used it even though many well-established alternatives in the market are popular and safe. Fortunately, @Rose777 will pay out of his pocket to the participants in the sig campaign for the two weeks they worked to promote this nonsense, this is something to be thanked for being also one of the workers in promoting it, and it is also possible that he also did not get paid for being a bounty manager for the signature campaign, There is no conclusive proof, as @hugeblack mentioned, that the platform is Seized. This is a trick that the scammers use to remove the charges from them.

BetterCallRaul.it knows what they are doing. They even login to the forum this evening. Look at their last active time Today at 07:34:53 PM which means they are coming here to spy what is happening in the forum about their exit scam.  Really I have not heard anyone came and claimed that BetterCallRaul.it has scammed them was it that user here was using the platform?

Well payment is already due and I believe the only reason we aren't seeing  people complain of being scammed is because manager gave his word to honor their dues to prevent any panic...

Valid argument and I share the same sentiments.

But having read several opinions on this issue, it seems to have mixed feelings bordering on some users seeing this exit scam was unforeseen and the manager shouldn't be   liable which has prompted some to accept the circumstances and go without the payment....others are saying its the managers responsibility..I guess the participants should have the last say in this...Btw let's not forget CM has lost pay here for service rendered .

Agreed. If Royse777 doesn't think a scam accusation is warranted yet, I'd just wait. OP hasn't been scammed.

The escrow details aren't even public:

There's no point: the website is gone.

I completely agree that Royse777 should be the one to post this type of scam accusation as he is the one who is directly affected by it. what I think OP should have posted is an exit scam warning, I mean, with the evidence posted on the BetterCallRaul.it signature campaign, I am inclined to believe that the seizing of their website is fake.

If there is one individual who have been scam then it is Royse777 as he has to pay the campaign participants from his own pockets.

But I do agree that after carefully looking at the site and supposedly seizure order, it is somewhat doctored to look as if it was indeed taken down. So it's really a messed right now, but hopefully it will be cleared by the dev themselves because it doesn't look good at this point.

Or if it's true that they have been taken down, then it should be all over the new by now.

I tend to agree with you because AFAIK there's no victim claim he got scammed in this exchange and the exchange can't be used anymore, so if the @OP create this thread to warn other users to not use this exchange, how it's possible when we can't use it anymore?

Where did you read the @OP saying if the campaign manager is a part of the BetterCallRaul's team?

Yes, but it should be the campaign manager because he's the one who can create flag type 3, @OP can create flag type 1, but of course flag type 3 is better than type 1.

The project is indeed scam and doing this scam accusation thread is correct because the $Raul token trading is still active since there’s still liquidity locked on the LP. There’s still some user that buying and selling the tokens without any idea that project is already dead.

The telegram chat group of BCR https://t.me/bettercall_raul is already on chaos while the dev is already silent. Probably there’s only few to none investors here in the forum since this project have a very small community even on telegram. Team keeps dumping their bags since this announcement of website seize without any further explanation from their side.

If indeed BetterCallRaul had exit scam, why is this the fault of Royse when he is not part of that scam?
I'm sure the participants expect pay but this exit scam is unexpected. That makes all of them Victims.

This kind of scam really is not going to make mixers look worse to government and this is another reason why there'd be crackdown of them.

OP, don't you think your action is spontaneous and preemptive, except you're directly affected by that? The manager should've been in a better position to accuse them of scam and I believe Royse777 is waiting for the deadline for the BetterCallRaul team to do the right thing to elapse before accusing them of such. Until then, let's hope all gets well again.

This could mean that forum members (or majority) were nor using their services. If so, no one from here lost in their site. Maybe the big fish they caught before exiting is not from this forum.
It could also be fear of being tracked that made victims not to speak up. Just like the situation of ChipMixer which made many people fear so that they won't be indicted and sought after by FBI.  Let's just wait for few days more, many people are not aware of the situation and I even saw someone still wearing their signature today.