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October 31, 2023, 06:45:19 AM
#56
First I would like to state that Gambling is legal in our country

This is my friend's story, business is not good in my friend's store which he owns the location is highly commercial but he cannot compete with the large and popular groceries nearby so he decided to stop operation and just offer to lease or rent it.

Because of the location a lottery agent who has a license approached him and is looking for a good place to set up his lottery, my friend's place is very much suited because there's no lotto outlet in that place, and with so many people coming and going and the fact that lotto is very popular in our country, the agent wants to lease at a very good price and a share of the income of the lotto.

He thinks that with the lotto outlet, he will encourage people to gamble which is against his morals so it is a battle between his conscience and the profit.

So what's the best decision to take he is afraid if he lets go of this opportunity the lotto agent will eventually find a location in their place and eventually lose the opportunity to make a profit.


This is really hard especially if we are talking about belief, because we cannot tell other people to do things that is against their belief. But since you have mentioned that gambling is already in your country, I think you can convince your friend that it is not an illicit activity anymore. And also, he is not the one having the lottery business, meaning he does not have to do anything with the business. In my country, lotto is actually made legalized and run by the government and the money earned is used in charities, government programs and projects. Maybe you can convince him by sharing this, because as far as I know, this is the very reason why lottery is being legalized in different countries. But again, it is still up to him and we cannot tell him to do things that us against his moral. But as a friend, you can talk and convince him.
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October 31, 2023, 05:58:37 AM
#55
So what's the best decision to take he is afraid if he lets go of this opportunity the lotto agent will eventually find a location in their place and eventually lose the opportunity to make a profit.
Do what his conscience says because he only does it based on other people's advice and it turns out that it goes against his conscience and when something bad happens he will regret it. If the use of the place is his main concentration then don't rent it out without having to think about it if it takes a long time to get a tenant but if money is the most important thing then rent it out, but if he really cares about the condition of his community and thinks it will be detrimental to his community then it's better not to rent it out.
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October 31, 2023, 04:21:27 AM
#54
Exactly what defines existentialism; choices. And in his situation, he'll be confused on what choice to take. Have he ever bragged somewhere that he'll never have to do with gambling. It'll be a shame to him to jeopardize his thoughts and believe for his love for money. In the business world, nothing as such exists especially when in a legalized business conversation. We can't be or think like him, no one knows his deep reasons, could be a childhood upbringing. And if so, he'll never have rest after renting out to those lottery guys. One, like myself, would immediately say that he's not serious doing business. But, his choice that doesn't sound like a choice to me is still a choice.
And it would be better for him not to rent out his place for a lottery outlet and choose to open another business. He could invite other people to partner so they can have more money to open a new business that can develop even better. In business, if someone is already hesitant about making a decision, he should not go ahead with it because it might not work well, especially if the place is used as a lottery outlet, even though lottery is legal in his country. I would advise him to look for other investors who want to rent his place and have nothing to do with gambling so that his heart is calm and he doesn't think about morality or anything else.
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October 31, 2023, 04:00:20 AM
#53
He thinks that with the lotto outlet, he will encourage people to gamble which is against his morals so it is a battle between his conscience and the profit.

So what's the best decision to take he is afraid if he lets go of this opportunity the lotto agent will eventually find a location in their place and eventually lose the opportunity to make a profit.
- I don't consider the lottery to be genuine gambling. It's a form of entertainment permitted in many countries, and it doesn't involve the same level of risk as traditional gambling. Furthermore, if they don't rent a space from your friend, they can easily find another location to operate. Renting premises for a legal activity is a standard business practice, so your friend shouldn't perceive it as unethical.
- These are my personal views, and others, including your friend, may have their own beliefs. Life is full of challenging situations that can cause inner turmoil, and often, emotions and personal convictions play a crucial role in decision-making.
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October 31, 2023, 01:58:46 AM
#52
The best thing to do would be to learn how the lottery business works. Im not saying that he should change his morals but practiaclly speaking, he needs money. He should also study why there is no lottery on their place yet and verify it. To go with the offer would be the best option but if he has something in mind like other business where he doesnt have to “sacrifice” morals. He can consider it too.
Agree with you, everyone needs money to meet their living needs and also to collect some savings for future needs so that if business has obtained permit and is legal then there is no need to think about morals and conscience as long as we do not violate regulations existing.
Lottery is type of gambling that is quite popular in several countries and there are even government programs that have lottery for charity so if we think too much that the gambling business is business that sacrifices morals and conscience then we will never be able to develop by taking advantage of opportunities that may not be possible came twice.

It better to accept the offer and forget about your conscience because when we experience financial problems, there are not necessarily other people who want to care about helping us with the problems we are facing.
Opportunities like this are opportunities that we are always waiting for, especially since we can make quite large amounts of money consistently.
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October 31, 2023, 01:53:23 AM
#51
Actually, from your story, we already know what his answer is but he is still hesitant to decide because there is still conflict within him. He already knows that renting out his place to a lottery outlet is against his morals because he will see people buying lottery tickets. Even if it is legal in your country, he still may not feel comfortable.

We leave the choice up to him because we don't want him to regret what he did. And we know this is a dilemma for him where he sees the benefits before his eyes but it is all against him. Maybe it's better if he doesn't rent out his place to a lottery outlet and shouldn't regret his decision. But if he still wants to rent out his place, that's up to him. Each has consequences.

Exactly what defines existentialism; choices. And in his situation, he'll be confused on what choice to take. Have he ever bragged somewhere that he'll never have to do with gambling. It'll be a shame to him to jeopardize his thoughts and believe for his love for money. In the business world, nothing as such exists especially when in a legalized business conversation. We can't be or think like him, no one knows his deep reasons, could be a childhood upbringing. And if so, he'll never have rest after renting out to those lottery guys. One, like myself, would immediately say that he's not serious doing business. But, his choice that doesn't sound like a choice to me is still a choice.

I would accept this offer because there are many many reasons...

it doesn't mean that something that goes against morality is against morality or Better, against people's common sense.
from a certain point of view anything can always be seen as positive or negative...
ok maybe the store it is rented to a business that sells junk food to minors, is that even better?!
Thats why its really harder find the perfect ethical business on that case....

Funny how it'll be better he continued his normal business there, instead of wasting the time of other business men who'd want to utilize the space. How sure is he that a better business possessing person that'll interest him would come his way, looking for the shop. Because the area is already occupied with grocery stores and a unique business like lottery is indeed the best for the slot. A grocery store owner wouldn't want that space. He should expect to receive more offers from gambling related proposals. When that happens, what would he do, leave the store vacant for long? Thereby wasting time and money, because of his ideas and belief. It's left for him.
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October 31, 2023, 01:52:47 AM
#50
He needs to weigh whatever is good for him because sometimes when a person loses every source of income and he only finds the best way to resolve it is to swallow his pride and forget his conscience, he will gonna do so because of how hard life is. I think it is best to just do whatever he can through the means that he won't have any problem with his morals even if the profit is not that big because, throughout time, he will gonna forget his morals and will just simply embrace his new source of income because he will find it hard to let it go because he already used to it. Right now, while his conscience is still there, he needs to make up his mind and do the right things.
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October 31, 2023, 01:24:29 AM
#49
Actually, from your story, we already know what his answer is but he is still hesitant to decide because there is still conflict within him. He already knows that renting out his place to a lottery outlet is against his morals because he will see people buying lottery tickets. Even if it is legal in your country, he still may not feel comfortable.

We leave the choice up to him because we don't want him to regret what he did. And we know this is a dilemma for him where he sees the benefits before his eyes but it is all against him. Maybe it's better if he doesn't rent out his place to a lottery outlet and shouldn't regret his decision. But if he still wants to rent out his place, that's up to him. Each has consequences.
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October 30, 2023, 11:03:06 PM
#48
He thinks that with the lotto outlet, he will encourage people to gamble which is against his morals so it is a battle between his conscience and the profit.

So what's the best decision to take he is afraid if he lets go of this opportunity the lotto agent will eventually find a location in their place and eventually lose the opportunity to make a profit.
Your friend needs to choose what's more important, is it the profit or his moral? Profit means more income so it depends on his status. If it's urgent and he already need a renter to have a source of income then there's no point to hesitate.

However, if his conscience is bothering him then he can refuse. For sure he can still find a renter that will pays him well especially the location of his property is good for business. That's why this depends on his personal reasoning because regardless of what we advice, in the end, the decision is still up to him.
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October 30, 2023, 10:30:18 PM
#47
I would accept this offer because there are many many reasons...

it doesn't mean that something that goes against morality is against morality or Better, against people's common sense.
from a certain point of view anything can always be seen as positive or negative...
ok maybe the store it is rented to a business that sells junk food to minors, is that even better?!
Thats why its really harder find the perfect ethical business on that case....
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October 30, 2023, 09:38:22 PM
#46
He thinks that with the lotto outlet, he will encourage people to gamble which is against his morals so it is a battle between his conscience and the profit.

So what's the best decision to take he is afraid if he lets go of this opportunity the lotto agent will eventually find a location in their place and eventually lose the opportunity to make a profit.
The other posts from the previous pages already mentioned some good points. It'll depend on your friend's financial situation because if money isn't the main issue, it might be worth waiting longer to see what other offers show up.

Then again, as you've mentioned, finding a replacement won't be a problem for the lotto agent, so i'd say it's mostly your friend missing out on a potentially long-term source of income when you also pointed out that lotto is popular in your country.
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October 30, 2023, 07:52:27 PM
#45
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Considering that a lottery approached him due to the location, don't you think there'd also be other businesses, ones that could generate more profit than lotteries approach your friend instead? If the words were just for negotiation then things might be different though. But anyway, if the location is indeed THAT good and your friend doesn't need money immediately, then just wait for better offers I guess if he really doesn't want to.

But Morals? Really? Psh, morals ain't going to stand shit when you're dealing with businesses. If he really was that mindful of his morals he would've idk, built an orphanage, a church, or whatever "good" thing society thinks in that lot of theirs.
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October 30, 2023, 07:28:06 PM
#44
First I would like to state that Gambling is legal in our country

This is my friend's story, business is not good in my friend's store which he owns the location is highly commercial but he cannot compete with the large and popular groceries nearby so he decided to stop operation and just offer to lease or rent it.

Because of the location a lottery agent who has a license approached him and is looking for a good place to set up his lottery, my friend's place is very much suited because there's no lotto outlet in that place, and with so many people coming and going and the fact that lotto is very popular in our country, the agent wants to lease at a very good price and a share of the income of the lotto.

He thinks that with the lotto outlet, he will encourage people to gamble which is against his morals so it is a battle between his conscience and the profit.

So what's the best decision to take he is afraid if he lets go of this opportunity the lotto agent will eventually find a location in their place and eventually lose the opportunity to make a profit.
First of all, since you've said that lotto is legal in your country then I think there's nothing wrong if your friend accepted the proposal of lesse. For me, when it comes to practicality, I will accept the offer, in that way you will generate an income and you will get a commission to the lotto income and that's a big hit. Just Face the reality and accept the offer, that's how business works.
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October 30, 2023, 07:05:01 PM
#43
He thinks that with the lotto outlet, he will encourage people to gamble which is against his morals so it is a battle between his conscience and the profit.
Whether he likes it or not and decides to rent out the property or not, the lotto agent will find a place to set up the gambling house, if not in the same street, in the next street. His actions as one man will not be enough to stop people from gambling in a place where the government sees gambling as legal.

Tell your friend to face reality and take profits.
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October 30, 2023, 06:36:01 PM
#42
The best thing to do would be to learn how the lottery business works. Im not saying that he should change his morals but practiaclly speaking, he needs money. He should also study why there is no lottery on their place yet and verify it. To go with the offer would be the best option but if he has something in mind like other business where he doesnt have to “sacrifice” morals. He can consider it too.

Lottery business most of the time becomes a lucrative business, so if he wants a good passive income, he can accept this type of business. Because no matter what, these gamblers will find a place to put their bets. Remember, there are so many online businesses now. So why not just grab the opportunity while it is still profitable?
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October 30, 2023, 06:24:41 PM
#41
The best thing to do would be to learn how the lottery business works. Im not saying that he should change his morals but practiaclly speaking, he needs money. He should also study why there is no lottery on their place yet and verify it. To go with the offer would be the best option but if he has something in mind like other business where he doesnt have to “sacrifice” morals. He can consider it too.
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October 30, 2023, 06:11:58 PM
#40
He thinks that with the lotto outlet, he will encourage people to gamble which is against his morals so it is a battle between his conscience and the profit.

So what's the best decision to take he is afraid if he lets go of this opportunity the lotto agent will eventually find a location in their place and eventually lose the opportunity to make a profit.

Maybe it was a difficult choice. On the one hand, your friend needs money and on the other hand, your friend also doesn't want to turn there people into gamblers. However, if the shop is not rented out, there is a possibility that the lottery agent will look for another place near your shop, so even if your friend doesn't rent it out, the lottery agent will still be there.

Of course, the choice is still up to your friend, but in my opinion it's better to just rent it. Let people decide for themselves whether they want to gamble or not, because they have their own thoughts about gambling and we cannot forbid them if they want to gamble.
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October 30, 2023, 05:53:20 PM
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He thinks that with the lotto outlet, he will encourage people to gamble which is against his morals so it is a battle between his conscience and the profit.

So what's the best decision to take he is afraid if he lets go of this opportunity the lotto agent will eventually find a location in their place and eventually lose the opportunity to make a profit.

What you convey and describe in this thread, is a question whose answer concerns someone's privacy. more precisely, it is personal. and it has nothing to do with either you or me, what is clear is that we cannot forbid or interfere in the problem. More precisely, it is his business to do with the business he runs. Let's review from the beginning, your friend has tried to do business with his shop. Unfortunately, it is unable to compete with its more established or larger competitors. In the end, he rented it out to anyone who needed the space he owned.

Regarding the issue of lottery outlets, I think it is entirely the renter's right, especially if in that location or country gambling is legal. The most important thing is that the tenant pays the rent regularly. and the owner gets compensation in the form of payment from the shop rental. If the tenant opens a lottery outlet, it is entirely their right. as I said, the important thing is that gambling there is legal. Well, if from the start your friend was going against his conscience, he should have emphasized that his place was only rented out to a commercial shop that did not contain any elements of gambling. that way, he will not experience a prolonged dilemma. on the one hand, he makes a profit. on the other hand, he has problems with his conscience.

This has been completely wrong, since the place was rented out in the first place. He should be committed to his principles and point of view. thus, these kinds of things, would not be a problem in itself. and fortunately, I have never experienced a case like this. So, I don't need to bother worrying about profit and conscience. like the gambling that I do, I don't need to bother listening to the chatter of judgmental people. Anyway, I like it, and there's nothing wrong with that. most importantly, I do not harm, involve, other parties.


I don't see it a bad idea to discuss such, since it's related to OP's friend. Additionally, It's also not bad to decide who we lease our shop to. What matters is not the profit, but how he'll feel after getting paid. I've seen house owners winnow out the kind of tenants they want to stay in their house. Same can be applicable to stores. Although, this could be more complex to answer since lottery is legal in the region, but illegal in the store owner's thoughts. If he doesn't want them there, I think the lottery guy can find somewhere else. The owner may have a bad experience about gambling, such as getting arrested, as the owner, if anything goes wrong in the store. If he's in need of money, he would not think twice in letting the lottery guy pay for the shop. Maybe he's not looking out for quick funds, and would be able to wait for another person with the kind of business that suits him. The whole thing wouldn't have been an argument if he's collected money from the lottery guy. It's better earlier than later. Assuming I'm the lottery guy and I get to know that the owner of the shop is having double mind leasing the shop, I wouldn't hesitate to look elsewhere. Because staying there or trying to convince Op's friend, can cause troubles along the line. He may break some of the rules that governs such businesses, like harassing the lottery owner for doing something wrong, in future. Deep down he's not comfortable seeing them around his belongings, one way or another he might cool off his anxiety on the lottery guy. Which is quite very wrong for both parties. Hence, the ideas is better dissolved now, by letting the lottery owner go in harmony. In search of other stores.  
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October 30, 2023, 05:43:00 PM
#38
He thinks that with the lotto outlet, he will encourage people to gamble which is against his morals so it is a battle between his conscience and the profit.

So what's the best decision to take he is afraid if he lets go of this opportunity the lotto agent will eventually find a location in their place and eventually lose the opportunity to make a profit.

What kind of moral is he really talking about, and why is he against gambling? Is it because people will lose money because they gamble, or is it because most people believe gambling promotes and accommodates crime? If that's the case, he can actually work on his conscience and know that he is not doing anything wrong.
 
First, the only thing that he needs is to rent out his space, and he has nothing else that's required of him to do again, and that's not what he should be thinking about. The business is not being controlled by him, but he is leasing out his space for someone to do business with, and he will benefit from it. Even if he doesn't want to lease out that place, based on his personal belief, he should use an entrepreneurial mindset to convince himself that what matters more in business is to make profit, which is one thing that he should be considering, adding to the fact that there is nothing illegal in their


on this matter, whether he will accept the proposal or not, that lotto shop will soon find another place to set-up their business. so for me, i will accept such proposal. because you can't stop people to gamble even if you won't accept such business in your place. as long as that business is legal and you are paying your tax, that's more than enough. and you are not forcing anyone to bet their savings.
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October 30, 2023, 05:37:25 PM
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He thinks that with the lotto outlet, he will encourage people to gamble which is against his morals so it is a battle between his conscience and the profit.

So what's the best decision to take he is afraid if he lets go of this opportunity the lotto agent will eventually find a location in their place and eventually lose the opportunity to make a profit.

What kind of moral is he really talking about, and why is he against gambling? Is it because people will lose money because they gamble, or is it because most people believe gambling promotes and accommodates crime? If that's the case, he can actually work on his conscience and know that he is not doing anything wrong.
 
First, the only thing that he needs is to rent out his space, and he has nothing else that's required of him to do again, and that's not what he should be thinking about. The business is not being controlled by him, but he is leasing out his space for someone to do business with, and he will benefit from it. Even if he doesn't want to lease out that place, based on his personal belief, he should use an entrepreneurial mindset to convince himself that what matters more in business is to make profit, which is one thing that he should be considering, adding to the fact that there is nothing illegal in their
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