Topic: Between Profit And Conscience - page 3. (Read 509 times)

Really hard to make out some advise which we know that it could really be just having two choice whether he would really be just simply rejecting out that belief of his and continue to make income of  that rented space or would really be just trying to tell that agent on finding to look for another place. Honestly, it would really be just that a complete waste if you do really just that let that opportunity slip because if you do see that there's really tons of people who do come with that lottery business then it would really be just that wise that you should really be giving priorities into the money you do make and not really that minding much about your
belief just because you do see gambling is bad and spreading out gambling activity on your place isnt your thing. Its true that the only person who could really make such decision is his friend.
If you do sees out that your conscience would really be that always knocking up inside then its wise to let it go because we know that its never been that so easy on trying out to hide up things
and looks just fine but deep inside you are really having those doubts and anxiety in regarding on the decision that you do have made.

The only one that can decide what to do is your friend, if I was in that position I would have no problem with letting a gambling related business to lease my property as I am a gambler myself and gambling is legal where I live, so I have no emotional or moral issue that will make me reject such a deal, and when it comes to other people being encouraged to gamble I simply do not believe this, the people that want to gamble do so, and the ones that do not want to do it avoid it without any problem, so this idea that allowing a business to set shop on your property encourages people to gamble seems too self-important to me and makes no sense.

The government itself is allowing the lottery games, the people will buy tickets from somewhere else even if he isn't going to be leasing his space. If its offer is good why not rent it and just do your business somewhere else?

Accept it for this lottery agent will find some space nearby anyway and will probably rent the space for less than the offer he gives to your friend. Its all profit and in the next contract the lease will be bigger.

your friend is thinking about it too much, he is not the one who is opening a lotto outlet, all he is doing is renting an area for someone who plans to open a lotto outlet, but if he can't live with the fact that he is renting his area for someone who plans to open a lotto outlet, then by all means decline the offer, there will other people who will eventually be interested in renting his area. that being said, what he needs to do is think about what his priority is, and what this opportunity will bring to him and perhaps his family(if he has one). sometimes contradicting your morals is fine.

Its your property or place then it would really be that depending on you on which if you do find it that it is against your belief and principles then you can freely tell that agent on finding another places on which he could rent but for me then it would really be that so hard to get that kind of opportunity knowing that your previous business had failed due to competition and we know that living on daily basis is never been that simple on which you would really be needing some income for you to survive and if you dont have then for sure you would really be definitely be struggling but if you do give out importance into your ego and principles in life then it is really that your choice on making such action but if you could really be able to afford on exchange up your pride and belief on making income or money then i would say that it isnt really that a bad choice either.
So it would be always boils down into your own assessment on which you should really be carefully thinking which you would choose which you would be sticking into your principle or you would really be prioritizing on
making income which it is really that good.

I'm with the majority here and I'd lease it to the lottery. It shouldn't weigh on anybody's conscience, since gambling is legal and people aren't made to gamble. Nobody is threatening them, nobody grabs them from the street, nobody tries to hide what the business is doing. When they go there they know they're risking their money and if they get addicted it's like not selling alcohol in your store because it's addictive, or not selling drugs at the pharmacy because someone might not take them to treat a condition but to get high. It's not his responsibility.

It is quite hard a decision for your friend to choose between profit and conscience, but since gambling is legal in the country, your friend is not breaching any government rules.   For me I don't mind leasing the place for the lotto operator because part of that lotto income goes to charity.  Besides, who knows people around him is has been buying lottery tickets so whether he accept the deal with the lotto operator or not, these people will still buy lottery tickets somewhere else.

Aside from that he himself is not selling the ticket but the one who wants to rent the place.  In my opinion there is nothing wrong if your free close the deal with the lotto operator.

Unless he has some other considerations to take on board, for example the teachings of a religion that he might follow, then he is simply conducting legal business on a relatively tame form of gambling. Do you have some kind of scratchcard epidemic in your country, because to me lotto operators are the least likely to grow an addiction but I guess it is possible with any form of betting. If he feels that strongly about it, he could ask what policies the lotto owner has when it comes to helping people with gambling addictions and see if he is happy with the answer that is given. Ultimately is the choice and free will of all people to buy into gambling like lotto, so he should not feel bad - as they will find it anyway.

You might be different from the friend and every body have their preference, priority and conscience which is why he is seeking advise or opinion and yes many people understand that their is consideration for gambling and religion or morals and which is mostly based on how someone is brought up and identify with which you don't see as something to bother about.

People get some different training from childhood that they find it difficult to go against and that is the dilemma that op's friend is at the moment from the story in the post.

What you convey and describe in this thread, is a question whose answer concerns someone's privacy. more precisely, it is personal. and it has nothing to do with either you or me, what is clear is that we cannot forbid or interfere in the problem. More precisely, it is his business to do with the business he runs. Let's review from the beginning, your friend has tried to do business with his shop. Unfortunately, it is unable to compete with its more established or larger competitors. In the end, he rented it out to anyone who needed the space he owned.

Regarding the issue of lottery outlets, I think it is entirely the renter's right, especially if in that location or country gambling is legal. The most important thing is that the tenant pays the rent regularly. and the owner gets compensation in the form of payment from the shop rental. If the tenant opens a lottery outlet, it is entirely their right. as I said, the important thing is that gambling there is legal. Well, if from the start your friend was going against his conscience, he should have emphasized that his place was only rented out to a commercial shop that did not contain any elements of gambling. that way, he will not experience a prolonged dilemma. on the one hand, he makes a profit. on the other hand, he has problems with his conscience.

This has been completely wrong, since the place was rented out in the first place. He should be committed to his principles and point of view. thus, these kinds of things, would not be a problem in itself. and fortunately, I have never experienced a case like this. So, I don't need to bother worrying about profit and conscience. like the gambling that I do, I don't need to bother listening to the chatter of judgmental people. Anyway, I like it, and there's nothing wrong with that. most importantly, I do not harm, involve, other parties.

It's good to know his a morally upright person, but like you said, his business isn't doing well and very few businesses can compete with the other big stores around...I think a business different from what's available is the best option and in this case the lotto outlet wouldn't be bad as his not the person running it and secondly some good money will be coming his way

To your friend, let him not feel guilty about this deal as his not the owner of the business and treat this as a business relationship and will not affect his moral compass.

That's the risk that's there if he doesn't allow the Lotto outlet to setup shop, besides very few will commit to always pay him for whatever it is rentals, lease agreement benefits etc as few can compete with the big stores, otherwise let him transfer that competition to someone else and have a peace of mind!

If your friend conscience is pricking him then it is a sign I will have to pay attention to it. It means that his mind does not accept gambling due to his morals. The thing is if he doesn't make money through gambling they are a million and one ways he can make profit and he will be morally okay with it. Tell your friend to pick his morals over profit.

In the end he'll be glad he did.

One things for sure that I have known in my life, and that's every man or grown woman out there was trained with some values in their early days as a child and your friend, OP still holds on to his morals/values from his childhood days.

It will be wise if the friend does well to satisfy his conscience instead of leasing out the place and then turn to be a stumbling block to the progress of the business because he doesn't have a conviction for gambling or lotto business.
Money ain't everything, but it's a necessity that will always come with the value one creates. The satisfaction of the soul is what matters, as this is what goes on to live even after ones demise.

It's not good if we make a decision that is contrary to our personality, especially this is related to personal integrity and morality, so my advice is that it is better for you to start a business that you are really good at and you are able to compete there. because apart from profit, what we are looking for is also comfort and tranquility in life so that we can enjoy it with feelings of joy. Indeed, if you work with a lottery agent, this will certainly give you more profits and a steady income every month, but if it conflicts, don't ever do it.

Life is about struggle, so keep fighting to plan and start a new business that is in line with your conscience.

Money shouldn't influence or becloud our conscience.  Our priority should be to promote values that we think are worthwhile and discourage anti-social behaviors. I don't see anything wrong with responsible gambling but if your friend feels it is not okay for him, he shouldn't lease his property to the agent. There are some legal businesses that I might not be able to run, an example is selling cigarettes. I wouldn't sell cigarettes not because it is immoral but because of health consequences. It is better to forgo profit than to be tormented by your conscience.


The economic problems in the. developing nations should not be an excuse to engage in business activities that conflict with one's beliefs or ideology. A clear conscience is better than having much money with a troubled one. Other profitable businesses will be attracted to the shop if he exercises patience.

There are things that would actually be wrong to you morally and maybe you don’t have the ability to stop or prohibit that thing, then you let it be. But in his case, he believes gambling is morally wrong and allowing the shop to stay there will be at the detriment of people engaging in it which he doesn’t want, then there are no two options to this other than not leasing his shop to the person.

If he Should lease the shop to the person then is conscience will not be cleared and the best of profit is that which comes with a clear conscience. So my take is for him to follow his conscience except he doesn’t believe again that it is morally wrong

If he chooses not to, that’s his principle and there’s nothing wrong with it however, if money matters on his end then he should consider the offer given that it is bettors’ initiative to bet in the first place and not with whether he encourage them or not. He also has the option to find other businesses who would like to lease on his property given that it was considered as a good place for the lottery agent. But if things will got out of hand then, he should determine which would he follow; own principle or his wallet. Definitely the decision is on his hands and it will only be hin who would choose whether to let the agent lease under his property or not. We cannot invalidate his preference if he ever choose declining the offer.

Exactly how much of a share are we talking about? And is it normal for someone to demand a share even though he already is profiting (I assume) off of the leasing? I am not too sure whether or not this is a good deal for the agent, but then again OP did not really give us any in-depth details. There might be a good reason why the agent is so eager to lease at such a disadvantage. Your friend should take his time on deciding and should not let anyone, especially the agent, rush him into a decision.

When something seems to appear more urgent than it really is, especially with a deal involved, then there is probably a well-thought-out purpose behind it.
 

your friend has a shop there because he wants to make money, right? if that's the case the answer is clear, just let the lotto outlet rent the place, so he can get rent + passive income. there is nothing better than getting an income like this because you will get rent and shares and you can work somewhere else, whether building a business or something else. but here i'm talking about business, i'm not talking about morals because for me personally, gambling has nothing to do with morals, because morals are a personal matter.

When integrity is deeply embedded in your friend's conscience, he will feel like punishing himself if he is not consistent with his steadfastness all this time. Profits are very tempting, it is very difficult for anyone to refuse them. But if he prioritizes integrity, he will feel calm in his heart because the decision is in accordance with his morals.
All decisions are up to your friend, only he is free to determine them.