Topic: BFL are expecting 100,000 chips... (Read 6989 times)

Well, we seem to have slipped away from the original conversation a bit, which I worried about. These are not PSUs for ultra-gaming or GPU-miner rigs. This conversation started out by crazyates assertion that the choice for BTCFPGA customers would be either dishing out $200 or blowing their bAsics to kingdom-come, and an agreement that any $50 PSU would be worthless. I simply wanted to step in and clarify that in fact for the smaller consumer, running 2-3 bASICs, that you could indeed find a $50 PSU capable of handling the (potential) power requirements without any serious risk of melting your expensive investment. You could (and should) go for a slightly higher level PSU, but it isn't a lost cause without.

I am a man who believes in the right tool for the right job, and as such if I need 300Watts I won't buy an 800W PSU, but when I have some crazy tri-fire setup and need 800Watts I certainly would not recommend a 300W PSU. The kingwin lazer is a decent enough PSU for that environment. I personally probably wouldn't use it for my bASICs (had I any), but I'm a bit of a snob.

I still contend that running a PSU for bASICs will be something of a hassle, but it's not a huge sticking point, especially cost-wise.

A warranty is plainly no better than the company issuing it. I have no clue as to the quality of BFL's chosen PSUs...that's the problem.

The only thing I like about BFL's product line is that it's estimated to use less power/Gh. Since they lied about power consumption with their FPGA products, I simply don't trust information coming from them. I certainly don't believe their entire ASIC product line from the modest Jalepeno to the Minirig SC will use precisely 1w/Gh, that's ridiculous. I'm surprised that so few here seem to hold BFL accountable for their countless deceptions, but they can vote with their FRNs/BTCs and I'll vote with mine.

You were correct,I did not look at them,sorry 

I assumed you were talking about smaller PSU's & I was correct.

Most of those have pretty good reviews,but they are too small for my needs.I prefer to use 800 watt-1000 watters in my rigs to future proof them for later possible upgrades & I like at least a 200+watt buffer,they last longer & run cooler.

I have had extremly good luck with these :

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817121037

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817121026

Only 1 was RMA'd out of 35 used so far & Kingwin's RMA service was fast & easy 

Well it's only 775W for $62, so it still should be good, right? I mean, 7-8 bASICs will work, right?   

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817822015

The idea that a $50 PSU is unreliable and will blow up your computer is ridiculous. I could see your point if you were talking about a $50 800W Diablotek, but lower power Seasonics hardly fall into that category.

Lol I give you a very valid point about an advantage BFL has over their competitors, and you dismiss it because of a separate, totally unrelated disadvantage they have. I don't know how company morality has anything to do with PSU build quality and warranty status?

I have made it clear that I think BFL is the better product. However, that does not mean they are better IN EVERY WAY. I still concede that the bASIC has some very nice perks going for it, mainly that crazy price/performance ratio! However, you can't even give BFL one tiny nod of approval that hey have something that BTCASIC doesn't?

I gave you a list of ~10 PSUs, can you find any kind of information from a reputable source on any of them as to being "low quality crap"? My guess is you didn't even look at any of them before talking your mess about all the magical gaming rigs you've built.

The Earthwatts won an Editors Choice Award from Anandtech (hardware review site), 3 are SeaSonics a leader in the field, the Rosewill Green Series earned a hardware secret Gold level award, the NeoEco has a long history of outstanding quality and performance, etc.

Seems like you clearly didn't even bother to take one look at what you were responding to, so it seems that one of us has done their homework, and I'll leave it to posterity to eek out which of us it is.

Best of luck to your friends you built rigs for, hope they didn't get some $150 Thermaltake Black Widow PSUs. since you seem to feel that price makes quality (this is one of the most wretched line of PSUs).

I've built & shipped 20 gameing rigs around the country & about 50 for friends & customers around my hometown.So I've done my "homework" many times over

If your ok with using cheap low quality crap,be my guest 

I'll be getting cables from Cablez & using my overpriced,very stable,$180 PSU to power my 6 devices.With no fear of frying them 

Best of luck to you 

Build quality is build quality dawg. I don't know what you think you're getting out of a more expensive PSU than you are from a high quality well-reviewed low cost PSU, other than higher Amp capacity.

You're free to throw your money away as you like, but this is just not a sensible argument that price = component death. Not all PSUs are created equal. You can spend a lot and still blow up your system. This isn't personal opinion, I chose units that have professional reviews and known manufacturers of high quality supplies.

As I said, if you've blown up systems, it's because you didn't do your homework.

No thanks, BFL is slow, dishonest, and unreliable. You could easily lose the cost of the ASIC unit in lost production while they d1ck you around about replacing it. Nah, I'll choose the PSU that I prefer and just use that and BFL can keep their cheap PSUs to themselves.

We differ on this, and that's fine. You want things simple and cut & dry, and I want maximum flexibility & control.

Good call. That's a liability issue. Might be a good idea to ask Tom about this on the btfga forum...

Ah, but the difference is that that POS PSU that BFL gives me is covered by BFL under the same warranty as the Single, for the entire duration that the Single is covered. My PSU blows up and destroys my miner? BFL gives me a new one. Good luck trying to convince Tom that he should give $3000+ worth of bASICs cuz your $30 PSU off TigerDirect fried 3 of your miners.

So you just assume that BFL will not use a cheap POS PSU for the units you purchase from them?

Well,I've been there & done that,regardless of any one else's experience's & will not use a "cheap" PSU,at least not for something worth $1300 or more.For a little web browser PC,maybe 

If you expand your price range a little (or wait for a sale) Newegg also has a nice 300W 80+ gold PSU for $55

This is a bit off-topic, but I'm a hardware geek so I enjoy discussing. If you burnt a mobo/GPU/CPU on a $50 PSU, you didn't do your homework on the PSU.

Depending on your power needs, the following < $50 PSUs are more than quality enough to deliver what they promise on their label (not for 10 bAsics, but easily 1+):

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182199
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371033 (my slightly biased favorite < $50 PSU)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371029
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151090 (kinda pricey but still < $50 and it's qual-i-ty)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182202 (dont ask me why you'd get 430W for the same price as 530W, I don't set prices, but they're both < $50)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151086 (another sweet SS, little redundant but technically a diff unit)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371003 (not a fan of this one, but it does what it says for very little $$$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151077 (ok last one I promise)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371023 (last one here too)

etc.

There's tons more but you can already see I'm getting slightly redundant, and I'm getting bored. All of those units are < $50 (some < $30), will power 2 or more bAsic devices, have quality builds that you can trust your precious components to, and I think at least half of them are even 80+ or better.

If you don't like computers and fancy gadgetry, that's fine, but let us discuss things honestly shall we?

As for hassle, I certainly agree that it will be stranger and uglier to run asics this way, but it might save you on outlet space. I shrug as we don't really know what anyone will provide in the end.

No idea. I've never owned an FPGA. Going right from GPU to ASIC.

I hope you guys are happy with your BFL products, whenever you get them.

Speaking of FPGA's..has Tom allowed a tradein on his 

BFL did for me,I have 60 gh of hashing goodness coming from tradeing my Single in,+ $699.But they actually took my old device back,WOW 

& they're going to do the same thing with the gen 1 ASIC devices when the gen 2's come out,just WOW 

I don't really mean argue in an angry sense. I suppose discussion would be just as descriptive.

I'm glad you're confident in your beliefs that the bASIC is a better product. That means you don't have any BFL orders ahead of me, so I get mine sooner!   


You do bring up a good point, but I hope people like CreativeX are happy with their bASICs, I really do. In the mean time, I plan on enjoying my Singles with their bundled PSUs, nice aesthetic cases, and almost half the power usage. And judging by their superior trade-up program concerning the FPGAs, I expect future upgrades to be much more cost-effective sticking with BFL the whole route. [/fanboy]


I'm sure you'll find something to comment about. 

Ewww,I struck a nerve    It is a discussion board & I'm discussing .....  

No,I don't mind paying more for a better,more complete product out of the box,Thanks for asking    

Maybe less hash's,but I'm sure BFL will do something about that  

& no I got the last WORD  till you post again