Topic: [BFL-Chip Groupbuy] $27,5/chip 50% - BTC,PayPal,SEPA - 420 sold, 0/100 batch #4 - page 17. (Read 41859 times)
July 19, 2013, 06:59:32 AM
New batch started with order of 9 chips...
July 18, 2013, 02:18:14 PM
OK back from work... Some quality time with daughter and hire I am...
Now boards:
This is not only problem for our GB but every GB out there. Chips will probably needed to be mounted with manual pick and place... Automatic will not be good enough in placing the chips. I know it sounds strange to me too since I would guess other way around. Once mounted can't be removed so any error can destroy the chip on board... So now I'm looking for the best possible company for placing the chips on boards so no problems will pop up... Company I was planing to use isn't that sure they can do it without errors or with minimal numbers of them... But this problem is still 85 days away... It will be solved... They can do the boards and it looks like it will be about 30€ board and 20€ mounting(this is just estimate since I don't have exact number of boards)... Components will add up additional 120€ but this is again estimate since BOM for BFL board is not in documentation and we have not made it jet(I didn't write it down but if I remember correctly 600+ components)... So we are in a 200$ zone. I know this is close to price of Jalapeño but this board has 50% more power. I know that Jalapeño board has 80W for ASIC chips so it should work with at lest 6. What we think is the problem is that small voltage tolerance for chips are making problems so adding more power should help. We also added additional capacitors to stabilize it. What we think is happening is that a lot of transistors in a chip are turned when calculating(something that can happen) on and power usage spikes voltage drops below tolerance and resets the chip. Unfortunately this is the anser I got from BFL when asking if we are correct
So no help from them...
Pictures
I was promised that over this weekend board will be finished so picture will be ready next week.
Next front that I have open is contacting MrTeal to negotiate licencing agreement if this produces a cheaper product for you. He realised this picture
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2wlaw9kh7w33127/Board.jpg
It looks like 5 chips but it is not. It is 4 chips and central one is in case only one is mounted... It might be a better option for those who have only 4 chips ordered or have up to 4 left when my boards are full... or if it end up being cheaper then 50% of our board we will use only those... So as promised best deal for you..
Sample chips
This is a msg I received yesterday...
Batch 2.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/y7eyoyt0nku93wa/cenzurirano2.bmp
104 chips ordered.
Exchange rate 91,7279791. Pitpay page at that time was showing 93,01
I have explained how do they get it earlier. But it looks like they also look at market depth too. And it looks relay good at current exchange rate... 83,42
Next batch is now open...
And thanks for waiting some rest did wonders...
Now boards:
This is not only problem for our GB but every GB out there. Chips will probably needed to be mounted with manual pick and place... Automatic will not be good enough in placing the chips. I know it sounds strange to me too since I would guess other way around. Once mounted can't be removed so any error can destroy the chip on board... So now I'm looking for the best possible company for placing the chips on boards so no problems will pop up... Company I was planing to use isn't that sure they can do it without errors or with minimal numbers of them... But this problem is still 85 days away... It will be solved... They can do the boards and it looks like it will be about 30€ board and 20€ mounting(this is just estimate since I don't have exact number of boards)... Components will add up additional 120€ but this is again estimate since BOM for BFL board is not in documentation and we have not made it jet(I didn't write it down but if I remember correctly 600+ components)... So we are in a 200$ zone. I know this is close to price of Jalapeño but this board has 50% more power. I know that Jalapeño board has 80W for ASIC chips so it should work with at lest 6. What we think is the problem is that small voltage tolerance for chips are making problems so adding more power should help. We also added additional capacitors to stabilize it. What we think is happening is that a lot of transistors in a chip are turned when calculating(something that can happen) on and power usage spikes voltage drops below tolerance and resets the chip. Unfortunately this is the anser I got from BFL when asking if we are correct
Quote
The information we have put on the website is current and up to date for the shortboards we are using in 5GH/s model. Any additional issues you experience are essentially your own problem that must be sorted out in your design process.
Thank you for your orders.
Kind regards,
Jonathon Griffin
Marketing Coordinator
Butterfly Labs, Inc.
Thank you for your orders.
Kind regards,
Jonathon Griffin
Marketing Coordinator
Butterfly Labs, Inc.
So no help from them...
Pictures
I was promised that over this weekend board will be finished so picture will be ready next week.
Next front that I have open is contacting MrTeal to negotiate licencing agreement if this produces a cheaper product for you. He realised this picture
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2wlaw9kh7w33127/Board.jpg
It looks like 5 chips but it is not. It is 4 chips and central one is in case only one is mounted... It might be a better option for those who have only 4 chips ordered or have up to 4 left when my boards are full... or if it end up being cheaper then 50% of our board we will use only those... So as promised best deal for you..
Sample chips
This is a msg I received yesterday...
Quote
You are in line to receive your sample chips. Thank you for your order.
Kind regards,
Jonathon Griffin
Marketing Coordinator
Butterfly Labs, Inc.
Kind regards,
Jonathon Griffin
Marketing Coordinator
Butterfly Labs, Inc.
Batch 2.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/y7eyoyt0nku93wa/cenzurirano2.bmp
104 chips ordered.
Exchange rate 91,7279791. Pitpay page at that time was showing 93,01
I have explained how do they get it earlier. But it looks like they also look at market depth too. And it looks relay good at current exchange rate... 83,42
Next batch is now open...
And thanks for waiting some rest did wonders...
July 17, 2013, 05:11:23 PM
Yeah man, take a week off. You are the hardest working group buy of them all.
July 17, 2013, 04:43:39 PM
Get some rest man. Thanks again for the help and support.
July 17, 2013, 04:38:45 PM
Today I got conformation from BFL that I'm in line for samples... for first order... Yes on a day they should be shipped... Not too good to publicised on GB but I'm letting you know about everything...
I was started to write report but fall a sleep 3 times during that... I will do it tomorrow...
I was started to write report but fall a sleep 3 times during that... I will do it tomorrow...
July 17, 2013, 02:43:35 PM
Lucko you have bad luck with exchange rate ;-)
Not realy... This is how they calculate it.Quote
Bitcoin Exchange Rates
As of today, the only exchange that has enough liquidity and tight spreads to pull real time rates is BTC/USD.
To calculate the exchange rate for US Dollars, we pull up-to-the-minute BID prices from three exchanges. We take the 2 that are closest together and toss out the third, so that a bad feed from one exchange will not affect our calculation. Of the 2 rates that remain, Bit-Pay uses the highest BID price as our exchange rate.
To calculate the exchange rate for currencies other than the US Dollar, we use the USD rate described above and multiply it by the daily ECB ForEx rates compared to the US Dollar.
And since BTC-e and Bitstemp are the one they are looking in this case and not mtgox it wasn't that bad... Currently published exchange rate is 90.somthing and in case of a big order it goes down... As of today, the only exchange that has enough liquidity and tight spreads to pull real time rates is BTC/USD.
To calculate the exchange rate for US Dollars, we pull up-to-the-minute BID prices from three exchanges. We take the 2 that are closest together and toss out the third, so that a bad feed from one exchange will not affect our calculation. Of the 2 rates that remain, Bit-Pay uses the highest BID price as our exchange rate.
To calculate the exchange rate for currencies other than the US Dollar, we use the USD rate described above and multiply it by the daily ECB ForEx rates compared to the US Dollar.
July 17, 2013, 12:25:26 PM
Lucko you have bad luck with exchange rate ;-)
July 17, 2013, 10:18:29 AM
Awesome and thanks for the patience while dealing with my PayPal payment.
July 17, 2013, 09:49:20 AM
104 chips orderd... I was doing my best to get good exchange rate by Bitpay but when I sew exchange rate 93 and press order I got 91.somting... I'm getting together with board designer so I will do a full report later on a buy and board...
July 17, 2013, 03:30:15 AM
Founds send to Bitstemp... Should be done today... If anyone would like to get into this batch you still can but it is BTC only
July 16, 2013, 02:49:59 PM
Excellent! Thanks Lucko.
July 16, 2013, 02:46:07 PM
Done batch full. Moving founds to BTC and then I will order... Probably a day or two... Last payment was SEPA so I should see it tomorrow and then I need to get it to Bitstamp that will hopeful processed it tomorrow.
From now on only BTC payment will be processed in this batch...
From now on only BTC payment will be processed in this batch...
July 16, 2013, 02:08:28 PM
It looks like it... I have interest for 16 more chips...
So after that the only way to get into this batch will be BTC only...
So after that the only way to get into this batch will be BTC only...
July 16, 2013, 12:59:17 PM
16 chips to the end of the batch...
12 free credits left... After that I have a deal for 112 chip credits for 0.01BTC per credit.
12 free credits left... After that I have a deal for 112 chip credits for 0.01BTC per credit.
Can someone.....anyone...please finish this batch off?
July 16, 2013, 12:57:57 PM
16 chips to the end of the batch...
12 free credits left... After that I have a deal for 112 chip credits for 0.01BTC per credit.
12 free credits left... After that I have a deal for 112 chip credits for 0.01BTC per credit.
July 14, 2013, 05:19:11 PM
End of batch is approaching... I have 20 more in pipeline if all buy only 4 will be left in this batch...
July 12, 2013, 04:14:33 PM
Hi,
i have twi questions ... maybee i missed the specific answers in the thread
which assembler will work on the PCB? Any commitment?
which assembler will get the sample chips ?
i have twi questions ... maybee i missed the specific answers in the thread
which assembler will work on the PCB? Any commitment?
which assembler will get the sample chips ?
PCB will be our make based in BFL board... We had some problems with sickness but we are all back to normal.
This company will make and assemble boards http://www.elgoline.si/en/
We get sample chips...
I will be away tomorrow. I'm taking family in spa... So I will probably not answering much to questions...
July 12, 2013, 03:53:03 PM
Hi,
i have twi questions ... maybee i missed the specific answers in the thread
which assembler will work on the PCB? Any commitment?
which assembler will get the sample chips ?
i have twi questions ... maybee i missed the specific answers in the thread
which assembler will work on the PCB? Any commitment?
which assembler will get the sample chips ?
July 12, 2013, 01:43:58 PM
Hello!
I need 10chips, i got cupons from my 2 jalapenos and i live in Argentina....how much have to transfer to you via PayPal to do a full payment (10 chips + oficial post shipment with traking...avoid UPS/DHL/etc + PayPal Fee)?
Regards
Hi!I need 10chips, i got cupons from my 2 jalapenos and i live in Argentina....how much have to transfer to you via PayPal to do a full payment (10 chips + oficial post shipment with traking...avoid UPS/DHL/etc + PayPal Fee)?
Regards
What do you mean by oficial post shipment? National postal office? I was planing to use TNT... but this probably is UPS/DHL/etc... Will you be buying just chips?
You need 6 exstra credits but you are in luck. I had a donation of 20 credits today so you can get 6 for free. But you can donate something to the donator...
Paypal fee is 6,5%. Paypal takes 4% when transferring and then it exchanges all into € when I take it off and then I need to transfer it back to $ and put it on Bitstemp and there I have 0,5% fee... So if you don't have $ in Argentina you can send in €... It will make no difference to you but I can give you less fee...
Got too till now no sample chips and no info about it - saw Josh`s post only.
Lets hope this is not BS...https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/3014-butterfly-labs-announces-bulk-chip-sales-32.html#post46964
Have you requested your samples? I just send them a email to [email protected] - don`t know if it is essential to get them... have a look:
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/3697-sample-chips.html
Yes I did the same but also used some other mail([email protected], [email protected] and contact form on webpage) just to be sure after getting no response...
July 12, 2013, 01:08:51 PM
Got too till now no sample chips and no info about it - saw Josh`s post only.
Lets hope this is not BS...https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/3014-butterfly-labs-announces-bulk-chip-sales-32.html#post46964
Have you requested your samples? I just send them a email to [email protected] - don`t know if it is essential to get them... have a look:
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/3697-sample-chips.html
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