Topic: {BFL} I promise NEVER to purchase anything Again from ButterFlylabs !!! - page 4. (Read 35858 times)

I´ll also never order again! Very seldom I´ve seen such a bad business behaviour considering so many aspects!

First there where the rumours about that BFL will never deliver at the beginning of the year. So I´ve ordered when they started shipping at the end of April or the Beginning of May, because I thought they would be starting manufacturing big time but this...
And now? They´re actually producing orders from the first days of February. It´s a shame that there where so little information from the beginning i.e. what´s your place in the queue, how long will it roughly take till your product is produced, no real buying contract and no copy of it, etc.



I´ve got one question about US laws. Here in Germany, almost waiting a 1/2 year or I will probably need to wait almost 1 year, if it goes on like this would be enough to legally be able to cancel the buying contract and will get your money back. Is it the same in the US? These asses from BFL said there´s no way to get the money back.

Thanks for any helpful answer considering my question above!

Here we go:

I promise NEVER to purchase anything Again from ButterFlylabs!!!

PS: Shouldn't we use PGP/GPG for this type of promises? 

sure! the more the better 

Can I promise even if I haven't purchased anything?

Just as personal reminder...

the incredible story of BFL will come to an end next year. I cannot imagine they really have a chance to survive.

hahahah, okay, okay, you got me there. Good one. :-)

Maybe if you stop posting Gox threads, other people will stop posting BFL threads..

Maybe they should give BFL their own section... TBH, Since Im not waiting for anything from BFL anymore, I kind of feel relieved...Didn't work out like I thought, but im glad its over with.. Maybe its not worth starting a lawsuit.. It would just cause my blood pressure to rise.. Ill probably just let it die and warn others when I have the chance...

*sigh* will these threads EVER die?

Good stuff

http://youtu.be/bT-smMzg54k

Nice of you to show just how little you care about upset customers, and that you feel sarcasm and further insults are ok instead of humility and apologies. One would almost say you are gloating

For those unfamiliar with BFL, here is a video of inaba aka Josh exactly one year ago:

http://youtu.be/bT-smMzg54k

one snippet on the asics: 'when you order it overnight, you will get it the next day. Not the next week, not in three months, the next day".

One should note, statements like that are not promises. Its only a promise if josh holds his two pinkies. YOu can clearly see he is not doing that, so its just a fable.
the "Not the next week, not in three months"  turned out to be accurate. It took more than a year.

IF bfl does deliver the first tape out on time, then its a good deal, but by january we will see competition much cheaper, i think.. I have always had respect for gigavps, but I was disappointed when I saw this ad on their webs site, along with his cute picture


"As a fairly early Bitcoin adopter and institutional miner, the choice for mining hardware comes down to innovation. Who is going to have the experience and best technology going forward to keep me ahead of the curve? The fact that BFL has a proven chip design, combined with their innovations in form factor and node size means that they will be hard to beat moving forward."
James Gibson - GigaVPS

Now, we know why he got his mini rig weeks before anyone else did....Not his fault, he was playing their game. but of course he hes going to say that, so he can keep getting his sweet back door deals from BFL.... Like I said, im not dogging gigavps one bit, BFL is the one to blame. If I was in Gigavps' place, I would do the same, especially if I can get the equipment before anyone else...

One of the biggest beefs that I have with BFL is when the order was placed last june/july of 2012, I wanted to get the fpga and then do a trade in, they wouldnt do it becuase they were shipping in october and the asics would be done by then. I pleaded with them to ship the fpgas out and let me upgrade when they do have the asics in... they wouldnt do it.. that alone, I figured I lost hundreds, if not thousands of  bitcoins.. Ill have to crunch the numbers. Remember, this is when the block reward was 50.... If they would have been honest when they got their first tape run and found out that they burned up, they should have told us it would be at least 6 months before they would ship. I would have got a refund, asap.. By the time may came around, shipping was close, so, why give up in may since I put up with their  "2 weeks" lie for months? They should have been honest.

You are right, if you dont have proof about something, dont bring it up, but I believe there is proof out there that they were mining with the machines. im sure we will find it.. an ex employee or some other proof...

Never again will I believe "in 2 weeks".

I would buy if they shipped in 1 week though...

It's DEEP over there at bfl.

I dont know, they have a new pretty sweet looking deal:
http://www.butterflylabs.com/monarch/

By the way, let's give the newbies reading this thread and wondering what the hell's going on a little context. The author of the above snark, Inaba, is BFL's public relations guy. That should tell you all you need to know about the level of professionalism, integrity and good judgement of the key BFL personnel. But if you need a little more help, have a quick search around the forum (and the rest of the web) on 'Sonny Vleisides'. (That's not this guy, this one's Josh Zerlan. But hey google him too if you like)

I'll spare you my hindsight, although I did stay away from BFL because of their history...

You should definitely sue them. They totaly deserve it for their attitude alone.

There's some things you should know:

1. It's called a class action or a class suit. The "class action lawsuit" nonsense that you hear on the TV all the time is like saying "frozen ice". Shit like this makes no difference in real life, but it's vital when dealing with legal stuff. The term itself is not important, but you need the correct mindset that cares about things like this. A sloppy lawsuit will only cost you time and money.

2. Focus on stuff you can prove. Broken promises, delays, etc... If you can't prove that they were using your equipment to mine instead of shipping it to you, don't even mention it in court. They will score points if you present unprovable claims.

3. It's your responsibility to prove their guilt, responsibility, mal intet, etc...

4. Be honest. Don't bullshit a bullshitter! Make it absolutely clear that your sole motivation was greed. Greed fueled by their false promises. Make it clear you would have cut you losses earlier had they been even lightyears close to honest about actual delivery dates. Greed is what keeps the economy going. Especialy the Bitcoin economy.

5. Get some people that did the FPGA trade-in onboad of the class suit. They were the ones that were royaly "attached to another object by an inclined plane, wrapped helically around an axis". They WERE making decent money and got convinced to trade it in for sometnig that will never make ROI.

Wow, I cant believe it!!! You just changed my mind, I think ill go ahead and order a few monarchs, cant wait til they get here in January... Nahhh,  I think ill wait until someone has a working product before i pay tens of thousands of dollars this time... I think its kind of ironic that I thought BFL was the only legit asic producer last year and I really thought that asicminer was the company to stay away from.. boy, did I miss that one by a million miles.......

    what did I tell ya All 100% sure BFL WILL READ!
I guess he is promising to never buy anything else from his own company to- hahaha - did u get Ur jalapeño a year later Inaba:?)

What a cunt.