So are you going to post pictures of the products soon or do we have to wait until people receive them and post amateur photos here?
wow, is that the Single??
A shoe needs a lot more age before it becomes as smelly as BFL's reputation.
Topic: BFL SC / Jally first picture? - page 5. (Read 26181 times)
wow, is that the Single??
A shoe needs a lot more age before it becomes as smelly as BFL's reputation.
... continue to use harsh tones with everyone on the forums. ...
Amen to that. 
Well, dangnabbit. If BFL turns out to be another scam I'm going to cry.
Yep. Thankfully. Documented on the internet.
Unfortunately, as you may notice, it's also documented on the internet that key BFL personnel, in fact, their chief executive, who was hitherto anonymous,
has been found guilty of, extradited, and spent years in jail for fraud.
This would make me a more than a little worried if I had preordered an ASIC from BFL.
You're all free to suspend judgement and sing "We just don't know", but hope makes a lousy defense when dealing in Bitcoin.
It is documented on the internet they do produce a product
Yep. Thankfully. Documented on the internet.
and who's to say they arent busting thier ass right now trying to get units together, but no one can say they arent either cause we just dont know.
Unfortunately, as you may notice, it's also documented on the internet that key BFL personnel, in fact, their chief executive, who was hitherto anonymous,
has been found guilty of, extradited, and spent years in jail for fraud.
This would make me a more than a little worried if I had preordered an ASIC from BFL.
You're all free to suspend judgement and sing "We just don't know", but hope makes a lousy defense when dealing in Bitcoin.
... I'd rather be honest and upfront with everyone ...
Right.I've shown where you are not always "honest and upfront".
Care to show where I lied, as you asserted?
Or, issue an apology?
Reeses, you may want to check your wife's credentials if you are actually asking her these questions and those are the answers she's giving you... if so, she's a piss poor lawyer and whatever law firm she's with got suckered. Bet she's a great huckster though to have you fooled enough to make a constant ass out of yourself on the forums.
It's very easy to call someones parole officer and advise them of concerns.
I'm not sure if they are give you any information back at all, only receive details from you.
I'm not sure if they are give you any information back at all, only receive details from you.
After almost a year, they still have not completed their DBA filings in Missouri:
https://www.sos.mo.gov/BusinessEntity/soskb/SearchResults.asp?FormName=CorpNameSearch&Words=Starting&SearchStr=Butterfly+Labs&SearchType=Search
I got that information from this thread:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.650205
I would REALLY like to find out the status of BFL as a legitimate business. DBA filings should not take over a year (should they?).
https://www.sos.mo.gov/BusinessEntity/soskb/SearchResults.asp?FormName=CorpNameSearch&Words=Starting&SearchStr=Butterfly+Labs&SearchType=Search
I got that information from this thread:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.650205
I would REALLY like to find out the status of BFL as a legitimate business. DBA filings should not take over a year (should they?).
I searched by last name: VLEISIDES
https://www.sos.mo.gov/BusinessEntity/soskb/Corp.asp?1657874
I didn't find anything on BF Labs Inc in MO either.
I love how you've turned this thread into a contest of who is the lawyeriest non-lawyer. Nobody cares. If you really cared and thought BFL was fraudulent, you should have just called the FBI to report them instead of trash talking people on the internet. Did your wife not tell you that?
The key word all over your message is "care". Check your assumptions before you make an ass of u and mptions.
My wife just wants to know why I'm hassling her with stupid legal questions. It's her fault for being on "the fraud team".
I made no assumptions. I said if you really cared and thought BFL was fraudulent, you should have called the FBI. I guess you're not lawyerly enough to notice my nuanced wording, but you aren't a lawyer and haven't gone to law school so I'll let it pass. You have now answered that you don't, in fact, care. So, you're really just trolling. I think it's pretty irresponsible of someone to claim that they believe fraud to be occurring and not report it.
INABA if ASICS are coming then treat this as a learning experience for any future ASICS BFL 'might' create.
EG if a ASICS v2 come out.
1) DO NOT !! take pre-orders until designs are finished and you have started production.
2) DO work out how much product can be made in a month ready for shipping and only make pre-orders for that months supply (maybe even a 1 per person to even the playing field and give a fair advantage to the masses)
offering pre-orders before product is finalised should not happen.
offering pre-orders before testing of product should not happen.
offering pre-orders before known production volume should not happen.
offering pre-orders before offering guaranteed delivery date should not happen (with exception to the delivery company being the cause)
so next new product you produce. make it, test it. realise you have 1000 units ready to ship at the end of the month. then offer pre orders for 1000 units with guaranteed delivery at month end (with exception to the delivery company being the cause of delays)
then you wont have so many people trying to figure out why all the short failings have been caused. hundreds of dollars in payments with no guarantee's should not be replied by the company rep's with (not verbatim)
'why do you need to know'
followed by
'your comments are fabrication, come back with facts'
if you refuse to supply facts, then don't reply disliking so called 'fabrications'.
be a COO for goodness sake not a minimum wage customer service rep.
i do hope any future projects will use those 2 noted idea's concerning pre orders.
don't over promise and under commit. or you will have many unsatisfied customers and potential customers.
and on a side note. Why did butterfly labs website not allow refunds until January? why January specifically (separate question)?
to be able to refund a pre-order you have to allow refunds before the shipping date to ensure product is not shipped after customer gets their refund. hence the word pre as oppose to post order refund.
this post will be copied to your message box so it wont be ignored.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1205022
EG if a ASICS v2 come out.
1) DO NOT !! take pre-orders until designs are finished and you have started production.
2) DO work out how much product can be made in a month ready for shipping and only make pre-orders for that months supply (maybe even a 1 per person to even the playing field and give a fair advantage to the masses)
offering pre-orders before product is finalised should not happen.
offering pre-orders before testing of product should not happen.
offering pre-orders before known production volume should not happen.
offering pre-orders before offering guaranteed delivery date should not happen (with exception to the delivery company being the cause)
so next new product you produce. make it, test it. realise you have 1000 units ready to ship at the end of the month. then offer pre orders for 1000 units with guaranteed delivery at month end (with exception to the delivery company being the cause of delays)
then you wont have so many people trying to figure out why all the short failings have been caused. hundreds of dollars in payments with no guarantee's should not be replied by the company rep's with (not verbatim)
'why do you need to know'
followed by
'your comments are fabrication, come back with facts'
if you refuse to supply facts, then don't reply disliking so called 'fabrications'.
be a COO for goodness sake not a minimum wage customer service rep.
i do hope any future projects will use those 2 noted idea's concerning pre orders.
don't over promise and under commit. or you will have many unsatisfied customers and potential customers.
and on a side note. Why did butterfly labs website not allow refunds until January? why January specifically (separate question)?
to be able to refund a pre-order you have to allow refunds before the shipping date to ensure product is not shipped after customer gets their refund. hence the word pre as oppose to post order refund.
this post will be copied to your message box so it wont be ignored.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1205022
... only BFL gets to be the lucky scapegoat. ...
Could that be due to the trustworthiness which BFL, and their employee's, have demonstrated to date?https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1181484
first picture of Jally:
I make no assumptions about you and your knowledge and abilities as I have no knowledge of you. Your repeated attacks and insinuations against me are discourteous and immature
If it will help though it took four years because I worked full time while I went to school. I am the sole support for my family so it was the only option open for me in order to realize my dream of completing law school
If it will help though it took four years because I worked full time while I went to school. I am the sole support for my family so it was the only option open for me in order to realize my dream of completing law school
You should not step into the river if you do not want to get wet. Some of us come from families of litigators and marry litigators, and can reduce non-litigators to tiny, crying, shells of themselves. I fight to end the fight fast.
Congratulations on finishing law school. I do wish you the best on your exam results. Give my sympathies to your family as I know my wife was...tightly wound waiting for her results.
Peace out.
I love how you've turned this thread into a contest of who is the lawyeriest non-lawyer. Nobody cares. If you really cared and thought BFL was fraudulent, you should have just called the FBI to report them instead of trash talking people on the internet. Did your wife not tell you that?
What was your screw up?
Since i have almost no intelligence factor, i would like to know what the hell are they talking about.
until recently about a month ago i made a purchase and had a couple questions I was returned with a call from jody. She answered some questions and then sent me a paypal bil for a second SC unit. The service seemed good. Now its time to sitback and wait. i have no law degree and im not married to a federal judge. if you have doubts dont order, or order and take the time and be patient. It is documented on the internet they do produce a product, and who's to say they arent busting thier ass right now trying to get units together, but no one can say they arent either cause we just dont know. I dont care what one side or the other believes all we can go on is what we know either from personal dealings by past consumers unfortunantly good or bad, and what we can read unfortunantly good and bad. We are all fellow miners here I would hope, some situations need a little faith, im willing to give it. I was a screw up once, I was givin a second chance now I own my own company. someone gave me a little faith and it turned into more, How about we try that in this situation. Im tired of seeing school ground bickering are we 15 again?
But hey that's my intellectually challanged two cents.
until recently about a month ago i made a purchase and had a couple questions I was returned with a call from jody. She answered some questions and then sent me a paypal bil for a second SC unit. The service seemed good. Now its time to sitback and wait. i have no law degree and im not married to a federal judge. if you have doubts dont order, or order and take the time and be patient. It is documented on the internet they do produce a product, and who's to say they arent busting thier ass right now trying to get units together, but no one can say they arent either cause we just dont know. I dont care what one side or the other believes all we can go on is what we know either from personal dealings by past consumers unfortunantly good or bad, and what we can read unfortunantly good and bad. We are all fellow miners here I would hope, some situations need a little faith, im willing to give it. I was a screw up once, I was givin a second chance now I own my own company. someone gave me a little faith and it turned into more, How about we try that in this situation. Im tired of seeing school ground bickering are we 15 again?
But hey that's my intellectually challanged two cents.
What's fraud? That we shipped orders for FPGAs late or that we have taken preorders for the ASICs? In either case, I don't see where there is any fraud or what the FTC has to do with it, please explain.
I'm thinking you might not know what a Ponzi is, so I would kindly suggest that you read up on what a Ponzi is. I'm not sure it's even possible to have a Ponzi scheme when products are delivered... it may be possible, but it seems unlikely. In either case, even if it were possible to have a Ponzi of Products, can you describe how BFL would fit into such a convoluted picture?
Quite right. It's got to be a pre-order scam if anything. If I recall correctly, there's an old scammer trick where they deliver a bunch of relatively low-valued orders in order to prove honesty, then take in a much larger amount of money on the back of their established reputation and run off with the proceeds. If you remember Pirate, his MO for building trust was fairly similar. I'm thinking you might not know what a Ponzi is, so I would kindly suggest that you read up on what a Ponzi is. I'm not sure it's even possible to have a Ponzi scheme when products are delivered... it may be possible, but it seems unlikely. In either case, even if it were possible to have a Ponzi of Products, can you describe how BFL would fit into such a convoluted picture?
I make no assumptions about you and your knowledge and abilities as I have no knowledge of you. Your repeated attacks and insinuations against me are discourteous and immature
If it will help though it took four years because I worked full time while I went to school. I am the sole support for my family so it was the only option open for me in order to realize my dream of completing law school
You should not step into the river if you do not want to get wet. Some of us come from families of litigators and marry litigators, and can reduce non-litigators to tiny, crying, shells of themselves. I fight to end the fight fast.If it will help though it took four years because I worked full time while I went to school. I am the sole support for my family so it was the only option open for me in order to realize my dream of completing law school
Congratulations on finishing law school. I do wish you the best on your exam results. Give my sympathies to your family as I know my wife was...tightly wound waiting for her results.
Peace out.
He just threatened you David! You gonna take that?!
OMG this is better than any TV.
LOL
I make no assumptions about you and your knowledge and abilities as I have no knowledge of you. Your repeated attacks and insinuations against me are discourteous and immature
If it will help though it took four years because I worked full time while I went to school. I am the sole support for my family so it was the only option open for me in order to realize my dream of completing law school
You should not step into the river if you do not want to get wet. Some of us come from families of litigators and marry litigators, and can reduce non-litigators to tiny, crying, shells of themselves. I fight to end the fight fast.If it will help though it took four years because I worked full time while I went to school. I am the sole support for my family so it was the only option open for me in order to realize my dream of completing law school
Congratulations on finishing law school. I do wish you the best on your exam results. Give my sympathies to your family as I know my wife was...tightly wound waiting for her results.
Peace out.
He just threatened you David! You gonna take that?!
OMG this is better than any TV.
Uh oh, dictionary fight!
I could spend hours dissecting the last posters logic and legal failures, but there is no profit in it. I always consider myself a winner of any argument that results in a personal attack against me rather then a thoughtful reply based on evidence and reasonYou made the discussion about you when you started by arrogating to yourself the position of legal scholar and expert. As in court, an attorney is held to a higher standard than a layperson, and is expected to correctly interpret case law as well as legislation.
You must also understand that "reasonable" is a very, very important term in US law. What would a "reasonable" person believe in a given situation?
If it will help though it took four years because I worked full time while I went to school. I am the sole support for my family so it was the only option open for me in order to realize my dream of completing law school
After almost a year, they still have not completed their DBA filings in Missouri:
https://www.sos.mo.gov/BusinessEntity/soskb/SearchResults.asp?FormName=CorpNameSearch&Words=Starting&SearchStr=Butterfly+Labs&SearchType=Search
I got that information from this thread:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.650205
I would REALLY like to find out the status of BFL as a legitimate business. DBA filings should not take over a year (should they?).
https://www.sos.mo.gov/BusinessEntity/soskb/SearchResults.asp?FormName=CorpNameSearch&Words=Starting&SearchStr=Butterfly+Labs&SearchType=Search
I got that information from this thread:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.650205
I would REALLY like to find out the status of BFL as a legitimate business. DBA filings should not take over a year (should they?).
Uh oh, dictionary fight!
I could spend hours dissecting the last posters logic and legal failures, but there is no profit in it. I always consider myself a winner of any argument that results in a personal attack against me rather then a thoughtful reply based on evidence and reason
Part of asserting yourself as an authority in a legal discussion is establishing your bona fides. When a person attempts to engage in intercourse from a position of authority, it is customary for his counterpart to challenge those bona fides. Your poor grammar and composition skills lead me to believe that either you are being dishonest about having completed law school (while you admit to completing it in 133% of the time of almost every attorney I know), that you went to a mediocre law school, possibly even unaccredited, or that you were a poor student of law.
You made the discussion about you when you started by arrogating to yourself the position of legal scholar and expert. As in court, an attorney is held to a higher standard than a layperson, and is expected to correctly interpret case law as well as legislation.
You must also understand that "reasonable" is a very, very important term in US law. What would a "reasonable" person believe in a given situation?
I make no assumptions about you and your knowledge and abilities as I have no knowledge of you. Your repeated attacks and insinuations against me are discourteous and immature
If it will help though it took four years because I worked full time while I went to school. I am the sole support for my family so it was the only option open for me in order to realize my dream of completing law school
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