Topic: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread - page 5. (Read 119804 times)

An investor prospectus would have a very high bar, would need a review by an investment lawyer (very pricey) and might need oversight by the SEC.  One reason why ICO's are now all overseas (with I think one exception thus far), is an ICO is being handled like an IPO with oversight from the SEC.  While this coin is NOT AN ICO (sorry, lots of people miss that) and I mean no disrespect to the Dev or all those involved with it, this coin should not be seen as an investment.  

The road map does hope to see gains made in value, features added (like Debit Card and 401K integration) but seeing as how BTC is just now getting moving on an ETF, it's too early to really expect such a high bar from this or almost any coin short of the main four or five (BTC, ETH, XRP, maybe LTC, XMR, ZEC, NEO or NEM).  At the point where BBP is in the top whatever and actually able to reasonably look at integration with 401K or even Debit cards, then that is a far more realistic time to talk about prospectus.  Consider for a moment, that even XRP, which is backed by the financial industry does not have a prospectus.  So if a coin with a $8B valuation cannot do that, I would think it very unrealistic to expect a $170K coin to out do them.

And what is the problem this coin wil solve placing it on blockchain.

Investor Prospectus?

Rob or anyone know of a something like an investor prospectus for this masternode being proposed for potential investors? You know something one can read over that that has risks involved, ROI, contact information, etc? If i were an investor then I could make a wiser investment decision if I understood exactly whats being proposed right?

I think i heard mention of '401k' type schemes. It sounds interesting but its very hard to discern whats going on without it all in one document signed by the organization. I just find statements here and there on this forum thread. Retirement accounts are people's nest eggs after all. Maybe a phone number to talk to someone?

Maybe I could find it on the biblepay.org website? or the accountability page at the pool? That way the public at large can find it and research its merits. I might even have a friend who can go in on it. But they are not going to read this entire thread and fish out the claims and risks right?

Or will this be an announcement with a biblepay or btc address and everyone is to send their money in? That sounds pretty sketchy to me.  

This may help get you started if such a thing doesnt exist yet.

https://www.prospectus.com/private-placement-memorandum-services-information/how-to-write-a-prospectus/

8 year forecasts in the cryptomarket huh?  amazing crystal ball you have. see step 10 above

I wrote this simulation predicting the outcome of our Sanctuary ecosystem metric values, to give you all a better idea of what the ROI will be if you run a sanctuary, and to give us as a community a very good approximation to how many Sanctuaries will exist approximately one year after this Christmas:

http://pool.biblepay.org/docs/roi.htm

This simulation shows that neither the investment cost of the sanctuary nor the BBP market price affects the Node Count.  The only factor that changes the ecosystem is the participating node count itself.  That count is driven by the individuals average ROI appetite.

This means that regardless of the BTC Price, the BBP market price, the sanctuary escrow cost, we will end up with between 100 and 800 sanctuaries, due to the fact that the risk appetite of the individual sanctuary owner will either be : Yes, I will wait 12 months for my BiblePay ROI (giving us 100 sanctuaries), or Yes, I will wait 8 years for my BiblePay ROI (giving us 800 sanctuaries).  Note that even if our price was up 1000%, and sanctuaries costed $67,000 each, this would remain true (see simulation).  This means that the highest liklihood is a risk appetite of ~2 years, and a resulting sanctuary node count of 200.

Note that it is a fallacy to believe "whales" will not come in and pay top dollar for sanctuaries.  The capital markets are broad.  If the ROI is consistent, even if our sanctuary costed $275,000 each, this spreadsheet would remain true-- except it would take longer for the node count to rise, and would not be fair for the smallest investors.  Thats why I think $1200 will still be a good number to go with on Thanksgiving.

Tinkerers Anthem:
https://soundcloud.com/proofofbeats/encroachment

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I think Slashdot.org has some smart people on it,
But look at the comments about Bitcoin:
https://yro.slashdot.org/story/17/11/08/1916236/nearly-a-third-of-millennials-say-theyd-rather-own-bitcoin-than-stocks
Id say 90%++ do not believe in Bitcoin, and these are technically inclined folk.

Vice President at my job laughed at me when I brought up investing in Bitcoin,
he has some background in Economics and has a Computer Science degree and is going to a top grad school.
He told me none of his smart friends are talking about cryptocurrencies and Im the only one he knows who is invested.

The personal finance subreddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/) deletes comments about investing in Bitcoin,
and even bans people who talk about it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/75yuoz/rpersonalfinance_when_you_tell_them_youve/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7a39ad/i_guess_rpersonalfinance_didnt_like_my_advice/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/79i1oc/why_does_rpersonalfinance_get_so_upset_when_post/

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Adoption Curve

Yes mate, I saw that things too, I am running my biblepayqt 24/7 for almost from the beginning, but the price still on the horizontal level. and I am thinking now, I saw in the coinmarketcap there is no maxsupply reflected on the site, but only circulating supply. what happen?

Data is quite clearly there in the trading history.. Starting at 2017-11-08 14:40:07.. Someone clearly market bought in several chunks.. 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 & 16..
Relevant buys on paste bin
Some 15.87m BBP..

Thanks for that! Yes I guess all models are dependent on their assumptions.
I wonder how many MNs we will have. I guess with the 1.5M figure, possibly not so many.

Thanks again for taking the time to answer

I have a spreadsheet where I calculate this for MN coins.  Obviously the return depends on the number of transactions and number of masternodes (and any decrease below the 12,313 BBP block reward that I am calculating it on, in addition to any price changes).



Based on 1.5M BBP and assuming both enough transactions for blocks to be generated according to the 7 minute maximum and that the price remains the same as you pay for the BBP on the exchange (I'm ignoring mined coins used for Sanctuaries), I calculate:

At 10 MNs, an ROI of 59 days (~616% Annual ROI).
At 25 MNs, an ROI of 148 days (~246% Annual ROI).
At 50 MNs, an ROI of 296 days (~123% Annual ROI).
At 100 MNs, an ROI of 592 days (~61% Annual ROI).

Edit: Note that I was calculating this with Masternodes getting a 10% share of blocks.  It was pointed out that I hadn't mentioned that (and that I might be wrong on that percentage).

* Please note that this is not investment advice. *

I agree and if anyone wanted to make a pump and dump coin, I'm sure there would be much easier ways to do it.  Mr. "coinpimp" could just as easily be trying to create fud to lower the price and buy cheap.  That's not what I think, it's just one of the things people should be wary of.

Has anyone done a ROI on the sanctuaries?
With the price going up to 1.5M I am trying to work out how much I can put towards this before it becomes unrealistic.
I will continue to mine BBP either way, just may abandon the idea of a santuary.

I get the concept of due diligence and I think you made the point you wanted to make. Of course the crypto-world is ridden with coins that are purely for profit, but I don't think this is one of them. We're sponsoring a lot of orphans right now, and I never had the feeling Rob was someone who would take profit at the costs of those orphans losing their sponsorship (and hope).

I'm with this coin since the early days, I've read every post on this forum, and I personally have the feeling that Rob is a person with character and determination just going by the way he writes (and is consistent in what he writes). I he's a fraud, he's the best I've ever seen.

How to spot a pump and dump cryptocurrency

the following is not investment advice. purely for entertainment. not about biblepay

1. pick a coin name. this is fun!

2. hide yourself so you can operate under obscurity. anonymous domains, hosting, emails, twitter account.  in other words a very light google footprint

3. find a niche. create a novel feature or idea to generate interest and excitement.

4. fork a coin project, modify code base as much as is needed to set coin circulation rules, etc.

5. allow a huge amount of circulating coins to be mined, so they can be sold for very little per unit cost. this is critical. you want LOTS of your coins out there so people buy into many of them to give you a return. "make it up on volume"

6. get ahead of the miners by either premining it or having hashpower at the ready when the pools open up. remember if you dont have coins you cant sell coins.

7. run the first and only pool. be sure to give yourself some lead time so you are mining lots of coins. got to get those early block rewards!

8. since the token has no inherent value or userbase, create pyramid schemes of investment to create perceived value and generate investor greed. the coin must have mechanism for ‘whales’ to get involved . master nodes are an example since they promise coins kickback . but anything else can work

9. get on at least 1 exchange. CRITICAL. this turns your imaginary coin into real value (btc / fiat)

10. invent schemes to the coin that give perceived value so investors have a sense of long term plan. talk about a long term and many milestones to reach. mention HUGE gains so you can inflate the perceived value of the token. you must invent a scheme that requires a high level of investment so you can dump the coins. THINK BIG (plant that meme in the investor)

10.1 - make clear the coin is not an investment!  

11. introduce cheerleaders and ‘coin shills’ to talk about the coin. have a team of people to help you promote the coin, debate counter opinion, etc.

12. ignore external help or advise. cant risk any delays to the window of payday. act busy cause its a race to the dump

13. finally pay day arrives, dump your coins by the millions on the exchange so you can get your btc!

congratulations you have successfully created money out of thin air!

To continue from here:

14. clamp down on any criticism (attack criticizer, threaten bans, legal threats, etc) and continue to promise more development and returns to protect future investor interest

15. if you want to exit, sure why not. just announce a retirement, 'still overseeing and advising', but 'let the community steer it from here'. You got the huge amount from the floor level of the pyramid so you won!

16. take a break you earned it! now you have a warchest of capital and memories. so many memories

17. if you are up for it, do it all agian. this time have your processes automated and have money to hire help

Its a lot of work but it sure beats an honest day of work! ha! who needs integrity now days!

/s  

Much obliged 616westwarmoth ...

Thanks togoshigekata ... I appreciate the guidance.

You, my friend, have not spent enough time in the pink sheets!  As a general rule of thumb, they are much worse and much more apt to be shell companies and have fake assets, etc than the cryptos.  With cryptos, especially the ones that are not premined, you still have the miners to satisfy and everyone starts out somewhat evenly.  So even in a pump situation if you buy low and sell high you can still end up okay.  I am not saying there aren't crypto scams, I am not saying they don't get diluted at all, but most coins have a hard cap.  There are some aspects of commoditization with cryptos, but that is where PR can be used to set coins apart from the mass market.  

Also I would say that most coins that are designed to pump have some burn feature incorporated.  Two interesting ones to note that I am watching but am not invested in are Slim coin (SLM) and Obits token.  Slim coin works with PoW, PoS and PoB, proof of burn where in order to mine some coins can be burned in order to mint more coins in the future.  They are only on one exchange and that exchange is having problems.  They are looking to relist somewhere else.  The technology is interesting imo.  OBITS is a token that is listed on its own exchange.  The owner of the exchange then acts to buy back and burn tokens each month, decreasing the outstanding supply.  It is one token where the supply is actually decreasing.  I AM NOT RECOMMENDING THESE.  I AM JUST WATCHING THEM FOR FUN AND INTEREST.  I enjoy the market dynamics of these cryptocurrencies.  

illusions of grandeur but...

they are working with the Chinese to come out with their own crypto. ultimately bitcoin and alts are destined / designed? to crash national fiat currencies. Its QE injection without borders

huge difference with stocks. they are regulated. the gov can pull your corporate charter at any time and kill the company. that gives a measure of stability and investor confidence. huge huge difference than crypto where any fly by night can fork a project, change a few lines of code, and have established miners jump on it for the next pump and dump. you cant compare the two

also you are incorrect that cryptos cant get diluted. a coin can offer an infinite amount 'colored' versions of itself. or tokens based on the coin (like ethereum erc20). google stock can only be google stock. alt coin can be alt coin-red coin-blue etc edition.

there is no accountability with crypto alts coins (worse with ICOs). you can operate in obscurity and cover your tracks the whole time. and come up with new schemes to generate investor interest. not so with a stock company.  

Yes, it means ultimately capitalism wins.  That is a valid interpretation.  I agree.

But music, with a basic income would get awesome.  Creative musicians would have all day to practice and create.