Wow, so user "Biostar" was actually scamming this whole time hoping to get some shipping money in BTC's...
There's so many pitfalls and scam artists in this industry, you really got to weed out the shysters from the reputable companies.
The company Biostar is definitely legit, it's just so easy for a Noob or uninformed member to make a mistake and send money to a shady member online, thinking they're going to provide a service to the BTC community.
Thankfully, no ones been scammed this time..
Topic: Biostar BTC-24GH Bitcoin Miner Review (Read 8691 times)
Wait... if I understand this right. $600 for 24Gh/s? What...?
Correct, but I haven't actually seen anywhere to buy one since I completed the review.
Well, that sucks that wasn't actually Biostar responding to this thread. I am still not affiliated with either Biostar the company, or Biostar the scammer. I was asked to do this review by a friend who runs a hardware review website and was offered a BTC-24GH unit to review from Biostar, which is one of his regular review partners. I posted it here for the community to learn about the device. I hope it was a helpful review for those that heard about the device and wanted to learn more information about it. Let's hope the real Biostar sees our feedback and makes a better device the next time around.
Wait... if I understand this right. $600 for 24Gh/s? What...?
I agree the posted mail is most likely a scam. But the OP looks genuine, and these boards actually do exist (seen on other hardware review sites).
Not sure about user 'Biostar'. What makes you assume that the scammy mails were originated by him?
Not sure about user 'Biostar'. What makes you assume that the scammy mails were originated by him?
the user Biostar sent PMs to me and dropt asking if we would be interested in testing/reveiwing dev batch units, and included a list of specs and claims of the upcoming device.
I asked for proof that they are with Biostar, and have not received any yet. I was offhandedly asked if id be alright paying the shipping for free units (no price given).
Dropt reports very similar experience, albeit complemented by a fake email pretending to be from biostar but actually an email anonymising service. IIRC he was quoted an actual shipping price.
I suspect Biostar is indeed at work on a second generation board - the first one reviews well and is inline with other 110nm efficiency. A drop to 28nm and some redesigns for modularity would allow Biostar to make a good gen.2 in theory.
however, the username Biostar appears to be a scammer, looking for people who might pay shipping costs for a review unit. tread carefully
Same exact thing here, just no email.
I specifically requested an email a number of times. When they deflected my request for escrow I told them I would be happy enough if they sent the btc payment request to me via email from a biostar email address (ie: [email protected] or [email protected])
I agree the posted mail is most likely a scam. But the OP looks genuine, and these boards actually do exist (seen on other hardware review sites).
Not sure about user 'Biostar'. What makes you assume that the scammy mails were originated by him?
Not sure about user 'Biostar'. What makes you assume that the scammy mails were originated by him?
the user Biostar sent PMs to me and dropt asking if we would be interested in testing/reveiwing dev batch units, and included a list of specs and claims of the upcoming device.
I asked for proof that they are with Biostar, and have not received any yet. I was offhandedly asked if id be alright paying the shipping for free units (no price given).
Dropt reports very similar experience, albeit complemented by a fake email pretending to be from biostar but actually an email anonymising service. IIRC he was quoted an actual shipping price.
I suspect Biostar is indeed at work on a second generation board - the first one reviews well and is inline with other 110nm efficiency. A drop to 28nm and some redesigns for modularity would allow Biostar to make a good gen.2 in theory.
however, the username Biostar appears to be a scammer, looking for people who might pay shipping costs for a review unit. tread carefully
Same exact thing here, just no email.
BTC-1T
and
BTC-5T
for Preorder*
Send Bitcoins to - 18WkUQnp2QzWJfNwB5WYrCXnKQjY61xPx3
Any amount of Bitcoins= Miner
*#BFL
*Shipping 2019 maybe
and
BTC-5T
for Preorder*
Send Bitcoins to - 18WkUQnp2QzWJfNwB5WYrCXnKQjY61xPx3
Any amount of Bitcoins= Miner
*#BFL
*Shipping 2019 maybe
Dude, are you seriously retarded?! Take your scam somewhere else, shithead.
BTC-1T
and
BTC-5T
for Preorder*
Send Bitcoins to - 18WkUQnp2QzWJfNwB5WYrCXnKQjY61xPx3
Any amount of Bitcoins= Miner
*#BFL
*Shipping 2019 maybe
and
BTC-5T
for Preorder*
Send Bitcoins to - 18WkUQnp2QzWJfNwB5WYrCXnKQjY61xPx3
Any amount of Bitcoins= Miner
*#BFL
*Shipping 2019 maybe
the user Biostar sent PMs to me and dropt asking if we would be interested in testing/reveiwing dev batch units, and included a list of specs and claims of the upcoming device.
Thanks for the clarification that he also contacted you via PM.
User Biostar = Scammer.
the user Biostar sent PMs to me and dropt asking if we would be interested in testing/reveiwing dev batch units, and included a list of specs and claims of the upcoming device.
Thanks for the clarification that he also contacted you via PM.
User Biostar = Scammer.
I agree the posted mail is most likely a scam. But the OP looks genuine, and these boards actually do exist (seen on other hardware review sites).
Not sure about user 'Biostar'. What makes you assume that the scammy mails were originated by him?
Not sure about user 'Biostar'. What makes you assume that the scammy mails were originated by him?
the user Biostar sent PMs to me and dropt asking if we would be interested in testing/reveiwing dev batch units, and included a list of specs and claims of the upcoming device.
I asked for proof that they are with Biostar, and have not received any yet. I was offhandedly asked if id be alright paying the shipping for free units (no price given).
Dropt reports very similar experience, albeit complemented by a fake email pretending to be from biostar but actually an email anonymising service. IIRC he was quoted an actual shipping price.
I suspect Biostar is indeed at work on a second generation board - the first one reviews well and is inline with other 110nm efficiency. A drop to 28nm and some redesigns for modularity would allow Biostar to make a good gen.2 in theory.
however, the username Biostar appears to be a scammer, looking for people who might pay shipping costs for a review unit. tread carefully
As a heads up to anyone who may have been "selected" to receive a review machine from "Biostar"....
It's a scam.
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It's a scam.
From OP "For those wondering, I am an independent hardware reviewer and not affiliated with Biostar in any way." That's fairly obvious from the mail header - Received: from emkei.cz (emkei.cz [46.167.245.72]).
No. Please re read the thread with my statement in mind. The user "Biostar" quote author=faetos link=topic=716549.msg8156576#msg8156576 date=1407013154]
As a heads up to anyone who may have been "selected" to receive a review machine from "Biostar"....
It's a scam.
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It's a scam.
From OP "For those wondering, I am an independent hardware reviewer and not affiliated with Biostar in any way." That's fairly obvious from the mail header - Received: from emkei.cz (emkei.cz [46.167.245.72]).
No. Please re read the thread with my statement in mind. The user "Biostar" is not the same user that started this thread. Further, if "Biostar" were actually an employee of biostar, he wouldn't need to use a well known email spoofer to send me an email "originating" from a Biostar domain.
But, you go ahead and pay that $200 shipping in BTC, without escrow. Let us know when you receive the unit.
But, you go ahead and pay that $200 shipping in BTC, without escrow. Let us know when you receive the unit.
I agree the posted mail is most likely a scam. But the OP looks genuine, and these boards actually do exist (seen on other hardware review sites).
Not sure about user 'Biostar'. What makes you assume that the scammy mails were originated by him?
Lets wait until biostar come out with 14nm...
As a heads up to anyone who may have been "selected" to receive a review machine from "Biostar"....
It's a scam.
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It's a scam.
From OP "For those wondering, I am an independent hardware reviewer and not affiliated with Biostar in any way." That's fairly obvious from the mail header - Received: from emkei.cz (emkei.cz [46.167.245.72]).
No. Please re read the thread with my statement in mind. The user "Biostar" is not the same user that started this thread. Further, if "Biostar" were actually an employee of biostar, he wouldn't need to use a well known email spoofer to send me an email "originating" from a Biostar domain.
But, you go ahead and pay that $200 shipping in BTC, without escrow. Let us know when you receive the unit.
What you want as miners from a miner. For example Size, power hookup, Easy to use, lots of fuctionality? You tell us.
Well, my humble opinion - take somewhere AntMiner S2 by Bitmaintech, disassemble it and explore it, and make something your own in the same form-factor and with better specifications (keep in mind that they promised to provide some easy and unexpensive way to upgrade S2s to 1.8 or 2 Th/s) for the same (or better for less) price. Standalone, web-GUI, 0.7 or less W/Gh, a possibility to overclock - it is a minimum of what we need from miner. We also need well-known supplier with wide dealer network, who make his devices in good faith and provide reasonable warranty time...I do think so.
As a heads up to anyone who may have been "selected" to receive a review machine from "Biostar"....
It's a scam.
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It's a scam.
From OP "For those wondering, I am an independent hardware reviewer and not affiliated with Biostar in any way." That's fairly obvious from the mail header - Received: from emkei.cz (emkei.cz [46.167.245.72]).
No. Please re read the thread with my statement in mind. The user "Biostar" is not the same user that started this thread. Further, if "Biostar" were actually an employee of biostar, he wouldn't need to use a well known email spoofer to send me an email "originating" from a Biostar domain.
But, you go ahead and pay that $200 shipping in BTC, without escrow. Let us know when you receive the unit.
Yes, it does. Half node die shrinks are pretty easy, but going from 110nm down to 28nm requires pretty much a redesign of the entire chip. If your (Biostar) engineers have not done 28nm products before, they will have a big learning curve. The licenses for the tools they need are also more expensive and complex, and the design rules are vastly different at the smaller geometries.
I am very pleased to see a major, well-established vendor get involved in this space. Please consider a partnership with one of the existing SHA256 ASIC vendors, and leverage your supply chain capabilities to bring cost and power effective products to the market.
if this is 110/130nm technology efficiency doesnt matter much - consider it as a small-batch test of thier design. If they go and replicate into 28nm they could catch up to the market quicly, and the review indicates a stable unit once mining. For a company like biostar playing catchup will be easier than it was for bitcoin manufacturers to oranise and fund thier first die-shrink
who knows - maybe a BTC-240GH is on the horizon at the same power draw (would require 28nm assuming this was 110nm)
I was under the impression from other EEs on the forums that shrinkage required quite an extensive redesign rather just switching the manufacturing process. If it's not too involved that maybe a quick jump to 28nm with a good design would put Biostar into significant competition with the current ASIC leaders.
I am very pleased to see a major, well-established vendor get involved in this space. Please consider a partnership with one of the existing SHA256 ASIC vendors, and leverage your supply chain capabilities to bring cost and power effective products to the market.
At 5W/GH/s they're running more expensively than Avalons and BFl 65nm gear - which can had for more or less free nowadays. Thanks for the review but this item is dead before it even hit the shelves.
if this is 110/130nm technology efficiency doesnt matter much - consider it as a small-batch test of thier design. If they go and replicate into 28nm they could catch up to the market quicly, and the review indicates a stable unit once mining. For a company like biostar playing catchup will be easier than it was for bitcoin manufacturers to oranise and fund thier first die-shrink
who knows - maybe a BTC-240GH is on the horizon at the same power draw (would require 28nm assuming this was 110nm)
I was under the impression from other EEs on the forums that shrinkage required quite an extensive redesign rather just switching the manufacturing process. If it's not too involved that maybe a quick jump to 28nm with a good design would put Biostar into significant competition with the current ASIC leaders.
I am also curious about GEN2... it is very nice that company like Biostar is interested in developing ASIC devices. With their distribution and service it would be easy for a lot of people to acquire miners for themselves and support the network. It would be also ql if they implement some small quantity of ASIC chips on their mainstream products like combo devices and such 
Sorry how do you get the avatar below your username?
By the way if they can produce something like s3
Avatars where disabled months ago because of a security breach. You need to have uploaded one before they where disabled.
I see did they patch up the simple machine ? Why don't they use vbulletin they can import the data over to vbulletin
As a heads up to anyone who may have been "selected" to receive a review machine from "Biostar"....
It's a scam.
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It's a scam.
From OP "For those wondering, I am an independent hardware reviewer and not affiliated with Biostar in any way." That's fairly obvious from the mail header - Received: from emkei.cz (emkei.cz [46.167.245.72]).
As a heads up to anyone who may have been "selected" to receive a review machine from "Biostar"....
It's a scam.
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It's a scam.
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