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Topic: Biostar BTC-24GH Bitcoin Miner Review - page 2. (Read 8680 times)

sr. member
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August 01, 2014, 09:52:52 AM
#48
I found this address in the manual last time this was posted
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/17V2jhDpwEEGLxDJgbKXfTgEtob9EScRT
http://bitinfocharts.com/bitcoin/address/17V2jhDpwEEGLxDJgbKXfTgEtob9EScRT
First payment last christmas. Maybe this address is setup on some demo units?

I'm not usually a fan of biostar but very interested in what btc hardware the may make. I would feel 100% confident ordering from a well-known manufacturer.
legendary
Activity: 1512
Merit: 1000
August 01, 2014, 09:36:51 AM
#47
That's 25$/GHash then. Current generation of miners is 1-3$/GHash. No one will buy this device. I wonder what's the point of taking it to market. Probably the increase in difficulty was not taken into account when calculating the business case for these. But still, I am curious about the next gen. Hope it'll be 28nm technology with a competetive price tag.

These have been around since at the least March of 2014.  But you're right, and they were still expensive then.
hero member
Activity: 630
Merit: 501
Miner Setup And Reviews. WASP Rep.
August 01, 2014, 08:50:29 AM
#46
I am also curious about GEN2... it is very nice that company like Biostar is interested in developing ASIC devices. With their distribution and service it would be easy for a lot of people to acquire miners for themselves and support the network. It would be also ql if they implement some small quantity of ASIC chips on their mainstream products like combo devices and such  Roll Eyes

Sorry how do you get the avatar below your username?

By the way  if they can produce something like s3

Avatars where disabled months ago because of a security breach. You need to have uploaded one before they where disabled.
sr. member
Activity: 392
Merit: 250
August 01, 2014, 08:20:07 AM
#45
I am also curious about GEN2... it is very nice that company like Biostar is interested in developing ASIC devices. With their distribution and service it would be easy for a lot of people to acquire miners for themselves and support the network. It would be also ql if they implement some small quantity of ASIC chips on their mainstream products like combo devices and such  Roll Eyes

Sorry how do you get the avatar below your username?

By the way  if they can produce something like s3
hero member
Activity: 525
Merit: 500
August 01, 2014, 06:41:41 AM
#44
Great to see Biostar making ASICs! Hopefully they can get 20nm out the door ASAP and make a real impression on the market.
sr. member
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August 01, 2014, 06:34:15 AM
#43
I am also curious about GEN2... it is very nice that company like Biostar is interested in developing ASIC devices. With their distribution and service it would be easy for a lot of people to acquire miners for themselves and support the network. It would be also ql if they implement some small quantity of ASIC chips on their mainstream products like combo devices and such  Roll Eyes
hero member
Activity: 1232
Merit: 516
August 01, 2014, 12:50:21 AM
#42
Woops, I meant to add the price and forgot. I have updated the post with price.

tl;dr = $599.99

For those wondering, I am an independent hardware reviewer and not affiliated with Biostar in any way.

It's great to see Biostar responding to feedback in this thread. My hope is that they take our feedback and make something that puts all the pre-order ASIC manufacturers to shame.

They have the technology. They can rebuilt it. Smiley

That's 25$/GHash then. Current generation of miners is 1-3$/GHash. No one will buy this device. I wonder what's the point of taking it to market. Probably the increase in difficulty was not taken into account when calculating the business case for these. But still, I am curious about the next gen. Hope it'll be 28nm technology with a competitive price tag.

full member
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Hardhat Required in This Area
July 31, 2014, 07:35:27 PM
#41
Woops, I meant to add the price and forgot. I have updated the post with price.

tl;dr = $599.99

For those wondering, I am an independent hardware reviewer and not affiliated with Biostar in any way.

It's great to see Biostar responding to feedback in this thread. My hope is that they take our feedback and make something that puts all the pre-order ASIC manufacturers to shame.

They have the technology. They can rebuilt it. Smiley
member
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July 31, 2014, 03:46:56 PM
#40
How much is it? if is cheap maybe someone with free electricity....
hero member
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gotta let a coin be a coin
July 31, 2014, 12:32:43 PM
#39
Very nice and detailed write-up. But honestly, I thought this was some kind of joke. The product is over a year late to market to be profitable in any way.
But now that Biostar as a renowned Mobo manufacturer got into the game, I am curious about the next generation. So, surprise us and keep up the good work!

and do not do preorder Grin

Amen to that. Do NOT follow these other ASIC manufacturers and go that business model. We hate it with a passion. For you all look into a smaller form factor and look into either it fitting into a PC case or designing a complete system case pcu etc. Most manufacturers in this industry are doing this.

We're a mostly good community willing to help. I'm glad to see you all branching out into this space. I love your motherboards and have several systems running on them Smiley
legendary
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July 31, 2014, 12:14:22 PM
#38
Sorry - I did not know you guys were well known in the industry.  I am not a tech guy.  I thought you were just some dudes working in some remote lab that had been working so hard on this without knowing it was going to be a hopelessly unproductive product.

Someone might have already said this, but I would you encourage you to buy a Bitmain S3 and maybe a one of the bigger Rockminers.  These are the latest miners to hit the market and they might give you some perspective.  As I said, I am not a tech guy, but I always want to know what my competition is doing.  And right now you guys could use some bench-marking.  IMHO.
sr. member
Activity: 427
Merit: 250
July 31, 2014, 10:24:10 AM
#37
I saw these miners awhile ago,say 2-4 months I think.

Very cool,but even then the power consumption was too much  Sad

Maybe look into the Scrypt miner market too,remember power consumption is the key selling point,keep it low & easy to use & you could have something!!  Grin

Browse this forum,there is ALOT of info here on who offers what at specific power & hashrates.

Here's another section of interest:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=67.0

Oh...DO NOT DO PREORDERS!!!!! Sell from stock only please  Wink

Good luck Biostar!!  Wink

Thanks for getting back to us.

We have been intrested in the idea of Bitcoin for some time now but we havent seen what us as a company could do. We released out Bitcoin Pro Series of Motherboards and got a positive response from the public. We now know that the Mining world has mainly moved away from PC hardware and towards Custom designed miners with ASIC chips. We have never developed any ASIC chip before so our "bitcoin" Division got funds to preduce a Mining Asic and board. We developed our 110nm Chip to keep costs down and wanted to see how the public reacted. We got alot of Negitive feedback due to the 24pin connector and Power usage and so on but we also got lots of good feedback for us as a company so our "bitcoin" Devision is producing REV 2. Your feedback is helping us lots as a company preduce something the average user wants and the Pro user needs.

Thanks
Then you can play with a lot of formats, like a PCI Express 1x, I think you make a gread effort with this board, late to play the ASIC game, but a good starting point, I'm interest I your evolution of hardware, What do you think about a PCI Express raiser in a mini ITX MOBO for put your miners?, play whit the ideas, you have the technologi for it.

Sorry with my bad English
legendary
Activity: 4354
Merit: 3614
what is this "brake pedal" you speak of?
July 31, 2014, 06:00:30 AM
#36
~~~ Quote to this ~~~

What you want as miners from a miner. For example Size, power hookup, Easy to use, lots of fuctionality? You tell us.

nice to see you guys in the mining scene Smiley

for me, a small time home hobbiest miner I would like something like this:

USB connections, multi platform software (or can use cgminer).

stackable, maybe with an ATX mounting layout (stack multiple boards in a standard ATX case to be cat/kid friendly).

individual units around 150-300 watts to easily use on non dedicated circuits, just add/stack boards to meet power capacity.

pcie power.
full member
Activity: 121
Merit: 100
July 31, 2014, 03:13:04 AM
#35
Very nice and detailed write-up. But honestly, I thought this was some kind of joke. The product is over a year late to market to be profitable in any way.
But now that Biostar as a renowned Mobo manufacturer got into the game, I am curious about the next generation. So, surprise us and keep up the good work!

and do not do preorder Grin
hero member
Activity: 1232
Merit: 516
July 31, 2014, 02:46:31 AM
#34
Very nice and detailed write-up. But honestly, I thought this was some kind of joke. The product is over a year late to market to be profitable in any way.
But now that Biostar as a renowned Mobo manufacturer got into the game, I am curious about the next generation. So, surprise us and keep up the good work!
DrG
legendary
Activity: 2086
Merit: 1035
July 30, 2014, 10:39:11 PM
#33
At 5W/GH/s they're running more expensively than Avalons and BFl 65nm gear - which can had for more or less free nowadays.  Thanks for the review but this item is dead before it even hit the shelves.

if this is 110/130nm technology efficiency doesnt matter much - consider it as a small-batch test of thier design. If they go and replicate into 28nm they could catch up to the market quicly, and the review indicates a stable unit once mining. For a company like biostar playing catchup will be easier than it was for bitcoin manufacturers to oranise and fund thier first die-shrink


who knows - maybe a BTC-240GH is on the horizon at the same power draw (would require 28nm assuming this was 110nm)

I was under the impression from other EEs on the forums that shrinkage required quite an extensive redesign rather just switching the manufacturing process.  If it's not too involved that maybe a quick jump to 28nm with a good design would put Biostar into significant competition with the current ASIC leaders.
legendary
Activity: 2128
Merit: 1005
ASIC Wannabe
July 30, 2014, 08:26:32 PM
#32
I saw these miners awhile ago,say 2-4 months I think.

Very cool,but even then the power consumption was too much  Sad

Maybe look into the Scrypt miner market too,remember power consumption is the key selling point,keep it low & easy to use & you could have something!!  Grin

Browse this forum,there is ALOT of info here on who offers what at specific power & hashrates.

Here's another section of interest:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=67.0

Oh...DO NOT DO PREORDERS!!!!! Sell from stock only please  Wink

Good luck Biostar!!  Wink

Thanks for getting back to us.

We have been intrested in the idea of Bitcoin for some time now but we havent seen what us as a company could do. We released out Bitcoin Pro Series of Motherboards and got a positive response from the public. We now know that the Mining world has mainly moved away from PC hardware and towards Custom designed miners with ASIC chips. We have never developed any ASIC chip before so our "bitcoin" Division got funds to preduce a Mining Asic and board. We developed our 110nm Chip to keep costs down and wanted to see how the public reacted. We got alot of Negitive feedback due to the 24pin connector and Power usage and so on but we also got lots of good feedback for us as a company so our "bitcoin" Devision is producing REV 2. Your feedback is helping us lots as a company preduce something the average user wants and the Pro user needs.

Thanks
you guys should take a look at BTCgarden's...
they're using AsicMiner's Chip
maybe u guys can do something...like copycat or make it better, well... thats how it should be when competing with other manufacturer...
take the best feature, add something, and TARAAAA u got ur own style Cheesy

and FYI, BTCgarden's is 55nm, still it can competing with other 25nm
dont know how, but it works Cheesy

The BE200 (asicminer) is 40nm. That it is borderline-competitive with 28nm designs demonstrates the effect of a good design
sr. member
Activity: 266
Merit: 250
July 30, 2014, 05:46:03 PM
#31
I saw these miners awhile ago,say 2-4 months I think.

Very cool,but even then the power consumption was too much  Sad

Maybe look into the Scrypt miner market too,remember power consumption is the key selling point,keep it low & easy to use & you could have something!!  Grin

Browse this forum,there is ALOT of info here on who offers what at specific power & hashrates.

Here's another section of interest:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=67.0

Oh...DO NOT DO PREORDERS!!!!! Sell from stock only please  Wink

Good luck Biostar!!  Wink

Thanks for getting back to us.

We have been intrested in the idea of Bitcoin for some time now but we havent seen what us as a company could do. We released out Bitcoin Pro Series of Motherboards and got a positive response from the public. We now know that the Mining world has mainly moved away from PC hardware and towards Custom designed miners with ASIC chips. We have never developed any ASIC chip before so our "bitcoin" Division got funds to preduce a Mining Asic and board. We developed our 110nm Chip to keep costs down and wanted to see how the public reacted. We got alot of Negitive feedback due to the 24pin connector and Power usage and so on but we also got lots of good feedback for us as a company so our "bitcoin" Devision is producing REV 2. Your feedback is helping us lots as a company preduce something the average user wants and the Pro user needs.

Thanks
you guys should take a look at BTCgarden's...
they're using AsicMiner's Chip
maybe u guys can do something...like copycat or make it better, well... thats how it should be when competing with other manufacturer...
take the best feature, add something, and TARAAAA u got ur own style Cheesy

and FYI, BTCgarden's is 55nm, still it can competing with other 25nm
dont know how, but it works Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 2128
Merit: 1005
ASIC Wannabe
July 30, 2014, 05:38:53 PM
#30
Thanks for getting back to us.

We have been intrested in the idea of Bitcoin for some time now but we havent seen what us as a company could do. We released out Bitcoin Pro Series of Motherboards and got a positive response from the public. We now know that the Mining world has mainly moved away from PC hardware and towards Custom designed miners with ASIC chips. We have never developed any ASIC chip before so our "bitcoin" Division got funds to preduce a Mining Asic and board. We developed our 110nm Chip to keep costs down and wanted to see how the public reacted. We got alot of Negitive feedback due to the 24pin connector and Power usage and so on but we also got lots of good feedback for us as a company so our "bitcoin" Devision is producing REV 2. Your feedback is helping us lots as a company preduce something the average user wants and the Pro user needs.
Thanks

if 110nm is shrunk down to 28nm (1/4 the size) it could theoretically be as much as 16x the efficiency, but other factors may mean something not as ideal. however, 1/10 the power usage could make a very competitive product, so I look forwards to what comes out in rev. 2

definitely hoping to snag a review/testing spot for this
newbie
Activity: 9
Merit: 0
July 30, 2014, 05:20:19 PM
#29
I saw these miners awhile ago,say 2-4 months I think.

Very cool,but even then the power consumption was too much  Sad

Maybe look into the Scrypt miner market too,remember power consumption is the key selling point,keep it low & easy to use & you could have something!!  Grin

Browse this forum,there is ALOT of info here on who offers what at specific power & hashrates.

Here's another section of interest:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=67.0

Oh...DO NOT DO PREORDERS!!!!! Sell from stock only please  Wink

Good luck Biostar!!  Wink

Thanks for getting back to us.

We have been intrested in the idea of Bitcoin for some time now but we havent seen what us as a company could do. We released out Bitcoin Pro Series of Motherboards and got a positive response from the public. We now know that the Mining world has mainly moved away from PC hardware and towards Custom designed miners with ASIC chips. We have never developed any ASIC chip before so our "bitcoin" Division got funds to preduce a Mining Asic and board. We developed our 110nm Chip to keep costs down and wanted to see how the public reacted. We got alot of Negitive feedback due to the 24pin connector and Power usage and so on but we also got lots of good feedback for us as a company so our "bitcoin" Devision is producing REV 2. Your feedback is helping us lots as a company preduce something the average user wants and the Pro user needs.

Thanks
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