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Topic: [BitAffNet] How we're the #1 Bitcoin Mining Pool In The World (or so we thought) - page 23. (Read 99155 times)

legendary
Activity: 1344
Merit: 1024
Mine at Jonny's Pool
Does anyone have info about how shares are calculated? I was thinking of raising the difficulty on my miners to lower network use, but I really need to understand shares first. I know it'll cause variance, I just want to know I wouldn't mess up my shares in the long run.

Payout changed due to difficulty yesterday.
0.0000000005355110 Last
0.0000000005271197 Current

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Why do trolls have so many newbie accounts?
Since your query wasn't answered...

You've shown the value of a share.  That's easy to calculate - take current block reward and divide it by current network difficulty.  Now you have the value of a difficulty 1 share.  When you are mining and you up your difficulty to 1024, 2048, etc... you are only submitting shares of that difficulty.  Each of those shares is equivalent to that many difficulty 1 shares.  At the end of the day, when a block is found, the pool looks at how many difficulty 1 shares you've submitted, multiplies that by the value of each share and voila - you've got your payout.  Obviously I've simplified it a bit, but that's the general idea.


So technically, pools are slightly lowering your shares by setting up default difficulties?

Say the miner puts out a nice downward curve of shares based on difficulty. Lots of 1s, less 512s, fewer 1024, etc and the setting is for 1024. Aren't you losing out on all the 1023s and lower as shares or is that just the price of mining to not flood the pool? Or does the share calculation factor in all the lost shares that were too small?

I see default difficulty swinging throughout the day, and am trying to figure if it's a good idea to lock it in at the high end. My S3 that I overclocked is preforming better and more stable than it was before, and now I have it locked on a diff of 512. It's always over 500gh/s average for the hour now. Just need to know if the stock s5s would benefit.
You don't miss out on anything - you just submit fewer shares of a higher difficulty.  Think about it like this... your S3 runs about 500GH/s.  That means it's trying 500 billion times a second to solve a hash.  It takes approximately 2^32 attempts (4294967296 hashes) to get a difficulty 1 share.  So, your S3 would expect to find 116.415 difficulty 1 shares each second.  No pool is going to allow you to submit that kind of load, which is why pools either force you into a static share difficulty or use vardiff to determine it for you.

If you up your difficulty to say 512, you're saying "I'm only going to care about a difficulty 512 share".  When you submit that to the pool, the pool says, "hey, you submitted 512 difficulty 1 shares.  I'll credit you for 512 shares."
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
Does anyone have info about how shares are calculated? I was thinking of raising the difficulty on my miners to lower network use, but I really need to understand shares first. I know it'll cause variance, I just want to know I wouldn't mess up my shares in the long run.

Payout changed due to difficulty yesterday.
0.0000000005355110 Last
0.0000000005271197 Current

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Why do trolls have so many newbie accounts?
Since your query wasn't answered...

You've shown the value of a share.  That's easy to calculate - take current block reward and divide it by current network difficulty.  Now you have the value of a difficulty 1 share.  When you are mining and you up your difficulty to 1024, 2048, etc... you are only submitting shares of that difficulty.  Each of those shares is equivalent to that many difficulty 1 shares.  At the end of the day, when a block is found, the pool looks at how many difficulty 1 shares you've submitted, multiplies that by the value of each share and voila - you've got your payout.  Obviously I've simplified it a bit, but that's the general idea.


So technically, pools are slightly lowering your shares by setting up default difficulties?

Say the miner puts out a nice downward curve of shares based on difficulty. Lots of 1s, less 512s, fewer 1024, etc and the setting is for 1024. Aren't you losing out on all the 1023s and lower as shares or is that just the price of mining to not flood the pool? Or does the share calculation factor in all the lost shares that were too small?

I see default difficulty swinging throughout the day, and am trying to figure if it's a good idea to lock it in at the high end. My S3 that I overclocked is preforming better and more stable than it was before, and now I have it locked on a diff of 512. It's always over 500gh/s average for the hour now. Just need to know if the stock s5s would benefit.
legendary
Activity: 1344
Merit: 1024
Mine at Jonny's Pool
Does anyone have info about how shares are calculated? I was thinking of raising the difficulty on my miners to lower network use, but I really need to understand shares first. I know it'll cause variance, I just want to know I wouldn't mess up my shares in the long run.

Payout changed due to difficulty yesterday.
0.0000000005355110 Last
0.0000000005271197 Current

----
Why do trolls have so many newbie accounts?
Since your query wasn't answered...

You've shown the value of a share.  That's easy to calculate - take current block reward and divide it by current network difficulty.  Now you have the value of a difficulty 1 share.  When you are mining and you up your difficulty to 1024, 2048, etc... you are only submitting shares of that difficulty.  Each of those shares is equivalent to that many difficulty 1 shares.  At the end of the day, when a block is found, the pool looks at how many difficulty 1 shares you've submitted, multiplies that by the value of each share and voila - you've got your payout.  Obviously I've simplified it a bit, but that's the general idea.

legendary
Activity: 1593
Merit: 1004
That's better.  This thread looks so much better now.


hey you hit  a block on this pool today cool.
I know! Crazy!  For all the mining I have done it's only my second block. I have definitely benefited from pools.
legendary
Activity: 4326
Merit: 8950
'The right to privacy matters'
That's better.  This thread looks so much better now.


hey you hit  a block on this pool today cool.
legendary
Activity: 1302
Merit: 1001
Does anyone have info about how shares are calculated? I was thinking of raising the difficulty on my miners to lower network use, but I really need to understand shares first. I know it'll cause variance, I just want to know I wouldn't mess up my shares in the long run.

Payout changed due to difficulty yesterday.
0.0000000005355110 Last
0.0000000005271197 Current

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Why do trolls have so many newbie accounts?

They are hiding behind those new accounts, but for the most part the only ones that take them serious are a couple of other trolls. 

sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
Does anyone have info about how shares are calculated? I was thinking of raising the difficulty on my miners to lower network use, but I really need to understand shares first. I know it'll cause variance, I just want to know I wouldn't mess up my shares in the long run.

Payout changed due to difficulty yesterday.
0.0000000005355110 Last
0.0000000005271197 Current

----
Why do trolls have so many newbie accounts?
legendary
Activity: 1428
Merit: 1000
https://www.bitworks.io
@ s0br: Stop being a chicken sh*t & answer the questions like you keep saying you will, or stay the proven scammer you are.

Count me in on this too - it's about time s0br posted some explanations like he said he would.

Why so quiet s0br?  Answer the damn questions already. Man up FFS.

He doesn't spend any time in the forums but I talk to him every day on freenode and he is readily accessible.. I can't speak for the past since I have only been with him a couple of months, nor do I understand the history and pure hatred some have toward him... However I can say without a doubt he is a solid pool operator and is a stand up guy, addressing any issues I've had personally...
member
Activity: 62
Merit: 10
@ s0br: Stop being a chicken sh*t & answer the questions like you keep saying you will, or stay the proven scammer you are.

Count me in on this too - it's about time s0br posted some explanations like he said he would.

Why so quiet s0br?  Answer the damn questions already. Man up FFS.
legendary
Activity: 1302
Merit: 1001
I see with the difficulty change that happened today the amount of pending payout at the time of change is stored and then the new rate amount then starts.

 Pending Payout     0.00711426
-- Bonus (1%)           0.00007114
-- Previous Difficulty   0.01090412
legendary
Activity: 1593
Merit: 1004
That's better.  This thread looks so much better now.
legendary
Activity: 1593
Merit: 1004
Then use the ignore button if my questions offend you  Roll Eyes

@ s0br: Stop being a chicken sh*t & answer the questions like you keep saying you will, or stay the proven scammer you are.

Do you mine on BAN?  Are you owed money/btc?  If not, is your life so empty that you have appointed yourself some sad watchdog for us?  Move along and waste your time elsewhere.

S0br promised answers on his scam thread, was unable to do so, then ran off into hiding for 2 months.

S0br then opens this thread, promises answers, then goes silent again.

I believe that entitles anyone to ask him why - especially here on his own "transparent support" thread.

..Really? (that's an awkward name!) is perfectly right to ask questions here, as is anyone else. If you are so upset about it - tell s0br to keep his promises & answer him or anyone else - simple isn't it?  Wink

Entitles.  There is the word I was searching for.  So you all see yourselves as entitled to stick you nose in where you have no economic interest. 
This weekend could set a record for ignored usernames.
sr. member
Activity: 379
Merit: 250
Welcome to dogietalk.bs
Then use the ignore button if my questions offend you  Roll Eyes

@ s0br: Stop being a chicken sh*t & answer the questions like you keep saying you will, or stay the proven scammer you are.

Do you mine on BAN?  Are you owed money/btc?  If not, is your life so empty that you have appointed yourself some sad watchdog for us?  Move along and waste your time elsewhere.

S0br promised answers on his scam thread, was unable to do so, then ran off into hiding for 2 months.

S0br then opens this thread, promises answers, then goes silent again.

I believe that entitles anyone to ask him why - especially here on his own "transparent support" thread.

..Really? (that's an awkward name!) is perfectly right to ask questions here, as is anyone else. If you are so upset about it - tell s0br to keep his promises & answer him or anyone else - simple isn't it?  Wink
legendary
Activity: 1593
Merit: 1004
Then use the ignore button if my questions offend you  Roll Eyes

@ s0br: Stop being a chicken sh*t & answer the questions like you keep saying you will, or stay the proven scammer you are.

Do you mine on BAN?  Are you owed money/btc?  If not, is your life so empty that you have appointed yourself some sad watchdog for us?  Move along and waste your time elsewhere.
legendary
Activity: 1302
Merit: 1001
It seems when s0br has tried to answer questions, the answers are never enough as its not what the bashers what to hear. When I answer questions, ask questions or make statements either good or bad its coming from a miner who HAS mined on this pool, HAS pulled miners off at times over the last 6+ months  and has nothing to gain or lose by either talking good or trash about this pool. Its just all my honest opinion, take it for what its worth.
full member
Activity: 237
Merit: 100
Then use the ignore button if my questions offend you  Roll Eyes

@ s0br: Stop being a chicken sh*t & answer the questions like you keep saying you will, or stay the proven scammer you are.
legendary
Activity: 1302
Merit: 1001
Are you s0br?

No?  Then don't speak for him, there's plenty of spokesmen for him already.

Is s0br not man enough to post for himself? He's the one the questions are aimed at - nobody else.

And who are you to ask any questions about this pool? Have you mined on it? Are you even a miner at all? Last I checked this is a open pool thread and anybody can ask questions or answer. What a joke you REALLY are.
full member
Activity: 237
Merit: 100
Are you s0br?

No?  Then don't speak for him, there's plenty of spokesmen for him already.

Is s0br not man enough to post for himself? He's the one the questions are aimed at - nobody else.
legendary
Activity: 1302
Merit: 1001


Yeah, I got one of those emails. So has s0br paid every miner back for the last six months? Seriously?  Roll Eyes

And what about his promise to post here? Hardly transparent is it?
What about the stolen hardware claim with proof?
What about him going into hiding after his scam was exposed?
What about the fake accounts he owns?
What about his fake pics he promised to "investigate"?
What about the two wallet thefts at exactly the same time he ran out of BTC?
What about all his lies?
Etc, etc.......



So has s0br paid every miner back for the last six months? Seriously?  Roll Eyes  The only think remotely that has a small merit in your whole posting but for anybody that has mined here for 6 months the amount that may have been short at the timing of difficulty change is very small compared to the bonus that has been paid in the past.

And what about his promise to post here? Hardly transparent is it? Would that make a difference to you as you say you got the email and I already posted it here once?

What about the stolen hardware claim with proof? What proof?? Wait because Black Arrow said so  hummm a creditably witness there  Roll Eyes and if remotely true then they can take legal action to resolve it in the courts instead of having you solve it here.

What about the fake accounts he owns? He has always said he had pool accounts and not sure why this would matter to anyone anyways?

What about his fake pics he promised to "investigate"? I only assume you mean pictures of miners from the giveaway.I am not sure if any pictures were fake or not (other than the ones I posted) but I CAN say that I was sent a S3 miner which was unopened and the shipping label had a tracking number that matched the list that was posted of the group of miners he had to give away. I also know of one other miner that received a miner for sure. I also know the whole giveaway was not handled right and s0br has let it be know that he wish he had never done it for the mess that it created

What about the two wallet thefts at exactly the same time he ran out of BTC? This is the biggest joke of your post? The compromising of his wallet happened months apart and even after the first one he was not late on payments as he just bought BTC to pay people. Most didn't know of the first theft until a week or two after it happened. It just so happened I was on IRC chat with s0br right after it happened and he at that time thought he had misplaced the coins from the blocks.

What about all his lies?  The man has not lied to me that I know of.
full member
Activity: 237
Merit: 100

Yeah, I got one of those emails. So has s0br paid every miner back for the last six months? Seriously?  Roll Eyes

And what about his promise to post here? Hardly transparent is it?
What about the stolen hardware claim with proof?
What about him going into hiding after his scam was exposed?
What about the fake accounts he owns?
What about his fake pics he promised to "investigate"?
What about the two wallet thefts at exactly the same time he ran out of BTC?
What about all his lies?
Etc, etc.......

S0br doesn't post here because he knows he'll get exposed & ripped apart again, simple as that. Instead, he uses fake accounts/shills to post with, the guys got no balls to face the music & relies on other accounts to talk for him - it's pathetic. What's even more pathetic is that some people actually believe him, no matter how much evidence is placed in front of them. Seriously, how can anyone trust this scammer? His history is atrocious. Maybe if s0br actually plucked up the courage to answer peoples concerns/questions on here like he keeps promising to do, you wouldn't keep seeing the same questions being asked over & over again. Any honest pool operator would jump at the chance to prove his innocence, but s0br keeps hiding behind fake accounts & relying on a few shills to do his talking for him.

It's the noobs I feel sorry for, they don't realise - but the rest of you should know better, but if you still don't, you deserve to be ripped off by him I'm afraid.

@ s0br: Stop being a chicken sh*t & answer the questions like you keep saying you will, or stay the proven scammer you are.

+1!!  Absolutely.
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