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Topic: BitBay OFFICIAL BITBAY Thread Smart Contracts Decentralized Markets Rolling Peg - page 263. (Read 542140 times)

legendary
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Well that's great news for BitBay!

But I don't know if it will be the first decentralized market in the history of the world, since Syscoin is planning it's release in the next few weeks. And Sys has a headstart, since it's on Azure for marketing and on Poloniex for trade.



What are you talking about? Decentralized markets have worked in BitBay and Halo for over a YEAR. It was certainly the first decentralized markets in the world. Also its not blockchain based and doesnt face scaling issues of other markets. And who cares about Azure? Microsoft gatekeepers... not so decentralized. Its irrelevant to the claim of markets.

Syscoin has had a decentralized market since  Nov 8, 2014 on mainnet. I don't think the scaling issue outweighs the usefulness it provides over a p2p marketplace

To that effect the next gen sys has also been in the works for more than a year, so similar to bay's new release with templates.. they were both released around the same time although not sure if bay has a functional market running on mainnet or release? Anyways I think Wosterlee does have a point because bad marketing can kill projects regardless of the cool tech under the hood.

Btw I thought I read somewhere that Shadowcoin is also marketing itself to be the "world" first decentralized marketplace although it may have been changed now that dates were pushed back for them, I just remember seeing it in some of their images. It really doesn't matter the only real first is the one who gets to average joe.

The reason to build decentralized markets is to get rid of middlemen in my opinion.
From what I have heard, Shadowcoin plan to build a decentralized market -just not the worlds first. Other than BitBay and Shadowcoin I don't know of any other truly decentralized market either existing or in planning.
Other projects like openbazar and syscoin build on decentralized technology, but depend on escrow agent. Imo that doesn't qualify to the term "decentralized market" any more than your price calculator in syscoin qualifies to the term "pegging" that you slapped on it.  Wink

Syscoin does not "depend" on escrow agents, you don't have to use escrow although it is recommended (esp if you dont know the seller). I don't think you understand decentralization (hint it's about choice)... then by definition multisig transactions are not decentralized according to you and by definition bitcoin is not decentralized and by definition none of these coins are aswell and CLTV is centralized. The 2 of 3 escrow the is quickest way to achieve network affect... the world does not understand DDE enough to "get it" unless you have a multi-million dollar budget for marketing which you don't. It a simple design either way.

The pegging is not as involved as David's design because it is not intended to be, recently I have made it so that it is also decentralized now as anyone can stand up their own "alias pegs" and merchants can choose who they wish to use as the pegging (price tracking)... what else is a peg supposed to be used for in a marketplace? I'm a fan of separating concerns (KISS) and too many cogs in the wheels need exponential funds in marketing. You can ofcourse fall back to SYS_RATES which the team manages but you are not forced to.
hero member
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First Decentralised Market Release - APRIL 2016
Date:28th March 2016
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Also, we have recently been in contact with Microsoft Azure and their requirements to join would delay the final release of the Bitbay client. We would rather complete the client and focus on its integration into other services. A more detailed post has already been made by David on Slack.
Please take into consideration why NEM has refused to be added to azure for now.
http://blog.nem.io/status-on-the-azure-project/

and the article linked in the blogpost
http://bitcoinist.net/microsoft-bullies-open-source-is-the-blockchain-their-next-target/

what would be the advantage of joining Azure for a decentralised market if there is any?

All good points! Thanks for the links. I totally agree.
legendary
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First Decentralised Market Release - APRIL 2016
Date:28th March 2016
...
Also, we have recently been in contact with Microsoft Azure and their requirements to join would delay the final release of the Bitbay client. We would rather complete the client and focus on its integration into other services. A more detailed post has already been made by David on Slack.
Please take into consideration why NEM has refused to be added to azure for now.
http://blog.nem.io/status-on-the-azure-project/

and the article linked in the blogpost
http://bitcoinist.net/microsoft-bullies-open-source-is-the-blockchain-their-next-target/

what would be the advantage of joining Azure for a decentralised market if there is any?
hero member
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The reason to build decentralized markets is to get rid of middlemen in my opinion.
From what I have heard, Shadowcoin plan to build a decentralized market -just not the worlds first. Other than BitBay and Shadowcoin I don't know of any other truly decentralized market either existing or in planning.
Other projects like openbazar and syscoin build on decentralized technology, but depend on escrow agent. Imo that doesn't qualify to the term "decentralized market" any more than your price calculator in syscoin qualifies to the term "pegging" that you slapped on it.  Wink


How 'is' their peg set up? Has it already been implemented?


It's not a peg like the rest of the world uses the term. It's more like our price tracking
hero member
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The reason to build decentralized markets is to get rid of middlemen in my opinion.
From what I have heard, Shadowcoin plan to build a decentralized market -just not the worlds first. Other than BitBay and Shadowcoin I don't know of any other truly decentralized market either existing or in planning.
Other projects like openbazar and syscoin build on decentralized technology, but depend on escrow agent. Imo that doesn't qualify to the term "decentralized market" any more than your price calculator in syscoin qualifies to the term "pegging" that you slapped on it.  Wink


How 'is' their peg set up? Has it already been implemented?
hero member
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Well that's great news for BitBay!

But I don't know if it will be the first decentralized market in the history of the world, since Syscoin is planning it's release in the next few weeks. And Sys has a headstart, since it's on Azure for marketing and on Poloniex for trade.



What are you talking about? Decentralized markets have worked in BitBay and Halo for over a YEAR. It was certainly the first decentralized markets in the world. Also its not blockchain based and doesnt face scaling issues of other markets. And who cares about Azure? Microsoft gatekeepers... not so decentralized. Its irrelevant to the claim of markets.

Syscoin has had a decentralized market since  Nov 8, 2014 on mainnet. I don't think the scaling issue outweighs the usefulness it provides over a p2p marketplace

To that effect the next gen sys has also been in the works for more than a year, so similar to bay's new release with templates.. they were both released around the same time although not sure if bay has a functional market running on mainnet or release? Anyways I think Wosterlee does have a point because bad marketing can kill projects regardless of the cool tech under the hood.

Btw I thought I read somewhere that Shadowcoin is also marketing itself to be the "world" first decentralized marketplace although it may have been changed now that dates were pushed back for them, I just remember seeing it in some of their images. It really doesn't matter the only real first is the one who gets to average joe.

The reason to build decentralized markets is to get rid of middlemen in my opinion.
From what I have heard, Shadowcoin plan to build a decentralized market -just not the worlds first. Other than BitBay and Shadowcoin I don't know of any other truly decentralized market either existing or in planning.
Other projects like openbazar and syscoin build on decentralized technology, but depend on escrow agent. Imo that doesn't qualify to the term "decentralized market" any more than your price calculator in syscoin qualifies to the term "pegging" that you slapped on it.  Wink
legendary
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Well that's great news for BitBay!

But I don't know if it will be the first decentralized market in the history of the world, since Syscoin is planning it's release in the next few weeks. And Sys has a headstart, since it's on Azure for marketing and on Poloniex for trade.



What are you talking about? Decentralized markets have worked in BitBay and Halo for over a YEAR. It was certainly the first decentralized markets in the world. Also its not blockchain based and doesnt face scaling issues of other markets. And who cares about Azure? Microsoft gatekeepers... not so decentralized. Its irrelevant to the claim of markets.

Syscoin has had a decentralized market since  Nov 8, 2014 on mainnet. I don't think the scaling issue outweighs the usefulness it provides over a p2p marketplace

To that effect the next gen sys has also been in the works for more than a year, so similar to bay's new release with templates.. they were both released around the same time although not sure if bay has a functional market running on mainnet or release? Anyways I think Wosterlee does have a point because bad marketing can kill projects regardless of the cool tech under the hood.

Btw I thought I read somewhere that Shadowcoin is also marketing itself to be the "world" first decentralized marketplace although it may have been changed now that dates were pushed back for them, I just remember seeing it in some of their images. It really doesn't matter the only real first is the one who gets to average joe.
legendary
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Is it possible to make the market place work with auctions?

Is the reason it will not work as an auction something to do with the name?

If that is preventing us having auctions on the market place i think we should change the name. Auctions are very popular.

Here is a screenshot of a reverse auction.

https://i.imgur.com/virQBTY.jpg

Other screenshot links can be seen back on page 126

That screenshot was from May of 2015, so don't know if he's added anything to it or not.




Yeah i was sure it did but I just noticed someone said it didnt on the main thread.

hero member
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Is it possible to make the market place work with auctions?

Is the reason it will not work as an auction something to do with the name?

If that is preventing us having auctions on the market place i think we should change the name. Auctions are very popular.

Here is a screenshot of a reverse auction.

https://i.imgur.com/virQBTY.jpg

Other screenshot links can be seen back on page 126

That screenshot was from May of 2015, so don't know if he's added anything to it or not.


hero member
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Is it possible to make the market place work with auctions?

Is the reason it will not work as an auction something to do with the name?

If that is preventing us having auctions on the market place i think we should change the name. Auctions are very popular.

Of course it is possible to make the market place work with auctions. Smiley
David sees it as part of the buy/sell anything template, so it's on the roadmap
legendary
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MY RED TRUST LEFT BY SCUMBAGS - READ MY SIG
Is it possible to make the market place work with auctions?

Is the reason it will not work as an auction something to do with the name?

If that is preventing us having auctions on the market place i think we should change the name. Auctions are very popular.
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Well that's great news for BitBay!

But I don't know if it will be the first decentralized market in the history of the world, since Syscoin is planning it's release in the next few weeks. And Sys has a headstart, since it's on Azure for marketing and on Poloniex for trade.



What are you talking about? Decentralized markets have worked in BitBay and Halo for over a YEAR. It was certainly the first decentralized markets in the world. Also its not blockchain based and doesnt face scaling issues of other markets. And who cares about Azure? Microsoft gatekeepers... not so decentralized. Its irrelevant to the claim of markets.

haha Zimbeck just burned that guys house down  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Yeah, I deserved it. I should read up on this stuff before I start posting. Smiley
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Great work David! You are the Bill Gates of Crypto! Looking forward to using the Market and to seeing the pegging up and running!
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BAYHQ is a new account and can therefore not post pics yet, so I'll do it.



As David said, we have had the client out for more than a year now.
After thoroughly testing it's time to move out of beta. That's a big occasion and we thought you might like to get an overview of what is accomplished and what is to come
legendary
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dogs are cute.
Well that's great news for BitBay!

But I don't know if it will be the first decentralized market in the history of the world, since Syscoin is planning it's release in the next few weeks. And Sys has a headstart, since it's on Azure for marketing and on Poloniex for trade.



What are you talking about? Decentralized markets have worked in BitBay and Halo for over a YEAR. It was certainly the first decentralized markets in the world. Also its not blockchain based and doesnt face scaling issues of other markets. And who cares about Azure? Microsoft gatekeepers... not so decentralized. Its irrelevant to the claim of markets.

haha Zimbeck just burned that guys house down  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
legendary
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Well that's great news for BitBay!

But I don't know if it will be the first decentralized market in the history of the world, since Syscoin is planning it's release in the next few weeks. And Sys has a headstart, since it's on Azure for marketing and on Poloniex for trade.



What are you talking about? Decentralized markets have worked in BitBay and Halo for over a YEAR. It was certainly the first decentralized markets in the world. Also its not blockchain based and doesnt face scaling issues of other markets. And who cares about Azure? Microsoft gatekeepers... not so decentralized. Its irrelevant to the claim of markets.
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Hi all,

Congrats, can i receive a invite to join your slack.

Thank you,

Best,

amsjef

Use this link to get on slack:

http://bitbay.market/wp-login.php?action=slack-invitation
hero member
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Well that's great news for BitBay!

But I don't know if it will be the first decentralized market in the history of the world, since Syscoin is planning it's release in the next few weeks. And Sys has a headstart, since it's on Azure for marketing and on Poloniex for trade.



We are quite strict with how we use the term decentralized. In our opinion it's not decentralized if you have any kind of escrow agents involved. We are the only ones that use double deposit escrow. With double deposit escrow no third party is involved.
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Hi all,

Congrats, can i receive a invite to join your slack.

Thank you,

Best,

amsjef
full member
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Merit: 110
Well that's great news for BitBay!

But I don't know if it will be the first decentralized market in the history of the world, since Syscoin is planning it's release in the next few weeks. And Sys has a headstart, since it's on Azure for marketing and on Poloniex for trade.

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