Topic: BitBay OFFICIAL BITBAY Thread Smart Contracts Decentralized Markets Rolling Peg - page 267. (Read 542140 times)

Hey a few things. When the client first starts, the decentralized markets take time to load the offers. It doesnt have a "blockchain" its peer to peer based on Bitmessage. So it takes a moment to get caught up since Bitmessage holds only 2 days of memory.

Okay the next thing, the whole "error loading return address". The prompt also says "please check THEIR preferred contact method". EDIT: there is another part of my code where i didnt elaborate on that text, i changed it to match. Anyways, there are two methods of p2p communication. The first is email, the second is Bitmessage. The setup wizard recommends having both.

The reason i dont only use Bitmessage exclusively was because it is still being worked on by Aetheros and I want people to have a second less decentralized option of email.

Emails is STILL very anonymous because it uses end to end encryption in Bitbay. So all those emails will arrive encrypted. I should also tell you that Pay To Email also uses Steganography.

Anyways, you can contract in either Bitmessage or Email but a person who posts Email as their preferred method of contact will not accept Bitmessage offers. Perhaps i should allow them to use "either". But that would require changing a good amount of code and i dont have time to change that.


So to respond to that fawcet contract you should set up an email or ask 3r to post one where bitmessage is the preferred contact method.

no prob.
I think bitbay fits perfectly into this context.
I hope JP is as excited as we are

That's weird. Never had that happen to me before. I'm off to work. Maybe we can work it out with David when I get back

Hey guys,

so we've just pushed up the same file posted to OP by David to the official site. Nobody informed us that OP links had been changed to point to davtonia or for that matter that a different version to the one on the official site was being served from there. As such we were not in a position to do anything about the file (which dates from August 2015) that was on the server.

Fixed now 

I see the faucet now, and a couple other contracts. I tried to claim the faucet but I got a popup box: Error loading return address

The popups warning about understanding the contract language are also clunky, the Thanks buttons really do nothing, if you press them the transaction doesn't go through, you have to click the "don't show this again" button for the transaction to go through.

I suggest a back button to bring you back to the contract window from the Contact Information dialog, if you hit Accept and want to cancel out of the contact info screen, you have to redo the contract.

Wow! Thanks for the link Wosch76!

I'll reply to him as well

Yea well I did have my BitBay Faucet on the market but it was in a private market called "BitBay Faucet". I had it setup that way so users could learn how the marketplace works as you can essentially create or join a private/personal market/shop that only you or someone else could set up. It's essentially a password. So if you only wanted a select clientele bidding on your 'shop' you would create a market and send them the name of the market for them to see it only.

I added another faucet to the "BitBay" market as well just so you can see the difference, but if you want to try to earn both faucets you'll have to join "BitBay Faucet" market in the client's "Market" tab.

edit: Pulling from an old post back when I first started the faucet

I just got the client synced up. Using the bootstrap.dat, it took about 3 hours on an i5-2500K @ 3.5GHz and SSD.

Impressions: I skipped through most of the account setup quickly but I was impressed with the redundant key saving options, especially the image steganography

Once synced I expected to find something on the market, even a test offer, but there's nothing listed.

Because I went through it quickly and didn't bother with all of the options at first, I'd like to see an option to go through that wizard again in the client, possibly when File -> New Wallet is chosen.

nice news here.
https://news.bitcoin.com/five-bitcoin-features-excited-about/
bitbay isn't mentioned, but BitHalo and pegging, so it points in the right direction

Bitbay has a bright future

edit:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/2016-04-16-five-bitcoin-features-to-get-excited-about-1400089

Its funny you should say that, there was a lengthy debate about that on slack yesterday. I do trust the web dev honestly but we talked about hosting the files on my server. But they don't wanting redirecting to a different domain and think i shouldn't distract myself from coding to do a domain transfer and they want control of the site cause its a community thing.

The OP is straight from my domain. Davtonia.com is my company and the host of BitHalo and BlackHalo. But it does not host Bitbay... they could be hosting an old version.

Ok so here's something interesting. I went through the trouble of cloning a relatively fresh Windows 7 install to a disk so I could stay safe but avoid the VM.

The client downloaded from bitbay.market doesn't work no matter what I do, bitbay.exe runs three instances but doesn't get as far as the account/backup setup wizard. But the one I download from the OP of this thread does. The discrepancy between the two versions is still shady to me. I wouldn't trust someone else to run the website for your software.

I threw the bootstrap.dat in the bitbaydata directory, not sure if it's using it but I'm syncing up now.

So much development on Bitbay! Should easily be a top 30 coin!

Glad to see people are starting to see what David has created here and continuing to develop.

An active Dev who responds to queries & constructive criticism! Very rare these days.

Right okay so I sent you a private message P-Funk, thanks for the feedback and i was almost certain it wasn't fud because those were all legitimate points you made some that i wanted to change myself.

Many of the things you pointed out such as UAC for example, are not in other cryptocurrency programs because most crypto programs are not very good. They are not secure and they don't do things like decentralized markets and unbreakable contracts. This software does many things far beyond what a normal Qt can do.

This is software coded entirely from scratch. Its 50,000 lines of completely original code. It does things from automated joint accounts to steganography. Its a complete crypto suite. Not to mention it works in 3 different currencies!

And yes the prompt says asadmin which is a little software trick to ask the computer for example UAC to elevate to admin so that you as a software user don't have to do it yourself. And this admin access is asked for a few reasons. On some operating systems we would have bitbayd or bitmhalo(bitmessage) crash or not have write access etc. Also without admin some systems may restrict the ability to launch them as subprocesses from the console. So obviously thats bad and the only way to run it is as admin. Instead of asking the user to do that manually i let the program elevate itself from command prompt.

So I also sent you a PM, i have no idea why the program didn't load after you chose the language. Did you finish the setup wizard? Did you minimize it to the system tray? Did bitbay.exe stop running? We have hardly ever had problems running Bitbay on windows 7 64 bit. I code exclusively on Windows 7 pro 64 bit with no antivirus myself.

Did you let it install to C:\bitbay\ or did you change that directory to program files? Because some systems will not let me store files locally within that directory. This is why other coins put everything in users/(yourname)/appdata/roaming etc

I would like to know more about why the program quit. Did you allow it to use your firewall? Any P2P programs need to do that for example uTorrent does that.

Once you get set up I'm sure someone here would be more than willing to do a smart contract with you.

There is only one dev. That's David and his face is public.

In regards to the people on the team they are not public -sort of. Those that have been around on slack long enough have all the info they need to "unmask" most team members.

Thank you for your feedback P-Funk.
The hash discrepancy is already being discussed in core team. We will fix that.

I'm not attempting to FUD, I wanted to provide feedback from someone just stumbling into it and wanting to check it out to see how it works. I highlighted the hash discrepancy because that's a pretty big red flag to me.

My environment is Windows 7 Pro x64 in VMware. No antivirus. I'm not finding any crashlog.dat

re: bit.ly, if it really has to be used, might as well put the exe installer in a .zip so people don't get the off-putting warning from them.

re: Language selection, I don't know if there needs to be example text at all, but if you must, maybe truncate it to just Hello, as Hello world has connotations of placeholder and programming beginners. Most language selection prompts usually just have the text "Select language:" above the drop down box, and English or local language will be defaulted in the box, requiring the user to only hit the OK button. Really just a minor nitpick

I see why it comes up but I mention the UAC prompt being odd because most cryptocurrency wallets/programs don't have it, and it just intuitively doesn't seem like the kind of program that would need it. I don't know much about UAC except I know I've seen options in programs like CCleaner where they can disable the prompt. Re: your question about it asking for admin privs, the prompt says: C:\BitBay\bitbay.exe asadmin

Also the different Checksums may be because I may have updated the executable on my site first. Meta who runs the site wants to host it on his server. So when i update while testing i also have to have him update. But considering the frequency at which i update the code, its a bit of a pain to have him update every time i do something minor. (I dont always do a version change while testing on slack)

But personally this is why i never wanted the link to go anywhere but to where i host all of my content. I really hope you aren't looking for reasons to FUD this project and these were genuine complaints? In general some of the points you made dont make sense such as UAC (uac shows up for thousands of programs and each version of windows is going to be more annoying with it)

It should be noted, I have fought the bit.ly links and didn't think they were necessary at all. But the dev of the website bitbay.market says they are needed for tracking downloads. I would assume there is ways of doing that without using bit.ly but I'm not a web dev so i dont know.

So I agree with you on the bit.ly link but i dont run the site. In fact, he wanted to host my executable and I absolute can't stand that idea but he thinks if it reroutes to davtonia.org (where all my hosting is) then people would think that is strange. There was even a debate about this on slack. So I've sort of made a leap of faith here. So instead i give the checksum of the installer basically for anyone to verify it. One process can verify the other process as well.

I would like to mention anyone who wants to build from source i can send the obfuscated source and all building instructions as many people have asked for that. I've been thinking of even putting that on github (why not, i give it out anyways).

Also i was wondering about .exe because some browsers dont like them. Perhaps its better to zip the installer. Still i should point out that a lot of sites still use installer (exe). Also the reason for not putting in program files is because there is administrator restrictions on some operating systems. Because in that folder i store all the files, unlike other wallets, I keep nothing in roaming. The bitbay daemon does keep its blockchain files locally everything in the same folder C:\Bitbay\ ... the installer gives you the option to choose a folder and i recommend against program files because these new shitty windows are so invasive that they prevent you from running as admin.

Now on to firewall... that is going to be asked for ANY p2p program... this is another problem with windows babysitting BS. These messages are nonetheless standard. The reason there is 2-3 warning is because there is Halo via RPC, Bitbayd (daemon) which connects to its network, and my version of Bitmessage. Bitmessage and Bitbay are totally different protocols. Bitmessage and its modifications are the way i am able to get decentralized markets. I use what is called Channels. It also is built to protect your anonymity so unlike Tors flaws with exit nodes there is no flaw yet i have found with this Bitmessage decentralized method of communicating since the originator of a message cannot be known.


UAC prompt is unavoidable, ALL versions of windows will give you that prompt on applications like that. It needs to be run that way because its running subprocesses such as Bitmessage and Bitbayd. I don't have UAC turned on in my computer. I think its invasive and a restriction on your rights as an owner of a computer.

As for language selection starting on English is fine but why not have it say "select language"? Obviously an English speaker would appreciate the fact that its in 92 languages.

I understand the "Hello world" default text complaint. However can you recommend an alternative? What about the rest of the client? Would you not agree this client is a million times more user friendly than a typical Qt client? A lot of thought went into this. So more feedback would be great! And thanks for the feedback.

As for it not loading, are you running avast? Avast doesn't like Python. We have submitted to them before. If it unloads it will usually say why. Did you decline the ability for the program to run as admin? Thats probably what UAC asked you. It needs to do that to run the subprocess. The reason it runs two copies of BitBay.exe is because one is python and the other is the executable. This is true for all frozen Python executables.

IF you want i can walk you through setup. Send me a private message and if you have a crashlog.dat i would like to see it.

So I'm coming to this from Munti's post in the IOTA thread, here are some new user observations.

bitbay.market download page uses a bit.ly link for seemingly no reason, and bit.ly gives a person a not friendly warning message about the .exe file: http://bit.ly/1EnFbpw

The bitbaysetup.exe file from bitbay.market and the one linked to in the thread OP are different filesizes and have different hash/checksums. The version flag on both exes is 1.2, despite the website saying it's version 1.21. Explain this.

The download in the 2nd post of this thread is not hosted by MEGA anymore.

The BitBay installer by default wants to put it in the C:\ directory, where default place should be C:\Program Files (x86)\

Windows Firewall pops up needing access three times for three different programs

I downloaded the bootstrap and put it in the \BitBay\bitbaydata\ directory.

I run BitBay, it has a UAC prompt, which it shouldn't. Another Windows Firewall prompt. A language prompt that needs tuning (Hello World isn't good example text, if English is default then it should display first on the drop down box, not "Select language", I'd also change the Apply button to say OK). It runs two BitBay processes, then three, shows a dumb looking "Such Loading" splash with the doge meme on it, and then closes. BitMHalo.exe process has been running the whole time, accessing the disk a little bit, but doesn't seem to be doing much.


So at the end, after all this, BitBay isn't running. This is not a good user experience.

lol

You don't need to remove anything.

The ico or whatever went south. Time to fix the future, not the past.

You find a lot of bickering on this thread* but you have to look a while to find much about the project.

* I picked a page at random https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=890531.2060