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legendary
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Seems every coin on here is going Azure now and getting their 5 mins of fame from it.
Why don't we go for it too? no reason not to is there?

WE have been discussing it, I'm not even sure how to do it yet. They didn't really explain well how to do it anywhere on the site
legendary
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Thanks for the response. Makes much more sense now.



BOTNET is the sleeping giant that could crush all coins

POW coins or POS coins as well? All I've read about botnet is how hackers utilize it to mine POW coins.

Care to elaborate on the problem with botnets?


Botnets can mess up a lot of things, sending fake blockchain info for one, messing with the network, ddos, so many things
legendary
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Seems every coin on here is going Azure now and getting their 5 mins of fame from it.
Why don't we go for it too? no reason not to is there?
newbie
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They didn't pay me but im a man of my word. Anyways, Bitcoin wont add checklocktimeverify... or did they? I'm pretty sure they didn't do it yet. The bitcoin "foundation" doesnt do much. Even Satoshi came out of hiding to complain about that one.


The thing is, NightTrader as a microtrader would just have BLK as a reserve.

IF these projects complete then we can look into raising funds for a lightning network perhaps who knows.

Bitcoin has checklocktimeverify their working on placing OP_CHECKSEQUENCEVERIFY this month.


Interesting. Thanks for the info. Why'd you start your account over?


Hey what up , i login in an ip from a villa which was blacklisted on my old user name healthhealer now they want me to pay so i can not post ,me not being the one that blacklist the ip iam not in a rush to pay it .

Yeah Checksequenceverify improve mulitsig accounts so the channel can stay open Indefinitely in a trustless way
hero member
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They didn't pay me but im a man of my word. Anyways, Bitcoin wont add checklocktimeverify... or did they? I'm pretty sure they didn't do it yet. The bitcoin "foundation" doesnt do much. Even Satoshi came out of hiding to complain about that one.


The thing is, NightTrader as a microtrader would just have BLK as a reserve.

IF these projects complete then we can look into raising funds for a lightning network perhaps who knows.

Bitcoin has checklocktimeverify their working on placing OP_CHECKSEQUENCEVERIFY this month.


Interesting. Thanks for the info. Why'd you start your account over?
newbie
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They didn't pay me but im a man of my word. Anyways, Bitcoin wont add checklocktimeverify... or did they? I'm pretty sure they didn't do it yet. The bitcoin "foundation" doesnt do much. Even Satoshi came out of hiding to complain about that one.


The thing is, NightTrader as a microtrader would just have BLK as a reserve.

IF these projects complete then we can look into raising funds for a lightning network perhaps who knows.

Bitcoin has checklocktimeverify their working on placing OP_CHECKSEQUENCEVERIFY this month.
hero member
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Thanks for the response. Makes much more sense now.



BOTNET is the sleeping giant that could crush all coins

POW coins or POS coins as well? All I've read about botnet is how hackers utilize it to mine POW coins.

Care to elaborate on the problem with botnets?
legendary
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legendary
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So can we build this

Option 4  into bitbay market place or stand alone?

Then other coins will need to add checktimeverify into their code.

Or one of the options above but we don't have BTC since it is really only their slow confirms that makes it all so slow?

We make bitbay the reserve currency or one with faster confirms? even ltc since that seems quite stable and has much faster confirms?

If you look on the board also i'm sure his username (poloniex) is busoni or something like that.

I'm sure he will add bitbay as long as the wallet isn't to buggy still.

Its enough work to just get the microtrader working honestly.

Yeah but David blackcoin didn't pay you. Bitbay could easily pay you if we have an ICO. I hold a chunk of blackcoin but I see bitbay as having more opportunity from here out. I mean without the things you made for blackcoin already it would be a great POS coin but nothing really other than that now. The community isn't as it was and I wonder if it have reason to hold the MC it does now.

So annoying to see all these coins raising a fortune in ICO and we have one of the best coders with the best concepts working for nothing because you/we got robbed at the start.

However, like you say, perhaps even funds are not enough since how ever much btc we have ... only certain persons could help you build it and locating them seems near on impossible.

We can just load up the bitbay market place with coins anyway. See who buys them.



They didn't pay me but im a man of my word. Anyways, Bitcoin wont add checklocktimeverify... or did they? I'm pretty sure they didn't do it yet. The bitcoin "foundation" doesnt do much. Even Satoshi came out of hiding to complain about that one.


The thing is, NightTrader as a microtrader would just have BLK as a reserve.

IF these projects complete then we can look into raising funds for a lightning network perhaps who knows.

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legendary
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So can we build this

Option 4  into bitbay market place or stand alone?

Then other coins will need to add checktimeverify into their code.

Or one of the options above but we don't have BTC since it is really only their slow confirms that makes it all so slow?

We make bitbay the reserve currency or one with faster confirms? even ltc since that seems quite stable and has much faster confirms?

If you look on the board also i'm sure his username (poloniex) is busoni or something like that.

I'm sure he will add bitbay as long as the wallet isn't to buggy still.

Its enough work to just get the microtrader working honestly.

Yeah but David blackcoin didn't pay you. Bitbay could easily pay you if we have an ICO. I hold a chunk of blackcoin but I see bitbay as having more opportunity from here out. I mean without the things you made for blackcoin already it would be a great POS coin but nothing really other than that now. The community isn't as it was and I wonder if it have reason to hold the MC it does now.

So annoying to see all these coins raising a fortune in ICO and we have one of the best coders with the best concepts working for nothing because you/we got robbed at the start.

However, like you say, perhaps even funds are not enough since how ever much btc we have ... only certain persons could help you build it and locating them seems near on impossible.

We can just load up the bitbay market place with coins anyway. See who buys them.

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Thanks for the interesting read David! Lots of opportunities to think about.
legendary
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So can we build this

Option 4  into bitbay market place or stand alone?

Then other coins will need to add checktimeverify into their code.

Or one of the options above but we don't have BTC since it is really only their slow confirms that makes it all so slow?

We make bitbay the reserve currency or one with faster confirms? even ltc since that seems quite stable and has much faster confirms?

If you look on the board also i'm sure his username (poloniex) is busoni or something like that.

I'm sure he will add bitbay as long as the wallet isn't to buggy still.

Its enough work to just get the microtrader working honestly.
legendary
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MY RED TRUST LEFT BY SCUMBAGS - READ MY SIG
So can we build this

Option 4  into bitbay market place or stand alone?

Then other coins will need to add checktimeverify into their code.

Or one of the options above but we don't have BTC since it is really only their slow confirms that makes it all so slow?

We make bitbay the reserve currency or one with faster confirms? even ltc since that seems quite stable and has much faster confirms?

If you look on the board also i'm sure his username (poloniex) is busoni or something like that.

I'm sure he will add bitbay as long as the wallet isn't to buggy still.
legendary
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What's the marketing team up to?

Also how long for the new templates so we can start listing coins for sale?

How much like a decentralised exchange can we make it? how automated can the coin exchange be?

This is now the time to get poloniex on board we have 20btc vol some days.

As the dev it will be best if david contact the owner of polo directly I guess.

Well currently slack is helping me find bloggers and places where we can publish more articles
also I've been editing some articles they intend to publish (somewhere)

As for the Buying and selling of coins at Abritrage I LOVE the idea. Did you know that the
client already has a template for this? The buy/sell coins template actually will track
the price of the coin in fiat by converting to btc and usd. You can set your preferred
funding method and can let it automatically track market prices. It was intended for low volume.
Think of it like a decentralized "local bitcoin" without the need for a middleman and trustless

Decentralized exchange was promised to Blackcoin. The NightTrader exchange was supposed to be
based on deposits. Although they did not pay me, I want to finish that project as I like it.
The problem and delay with it has really been choosing a protocol. There are 3-4 decent methods
on how to do it which I can list below:
    
1) The original NightTrader concept of MICROTRADING: This method was basically to use Blackcoin
as the deposits and trade 50% of the deposits over and over again until funding is reached in
any two currencies. VERY similar to the Barter Template. Example

Bob wants to but 5 btc of Bitbay from Alice
1 btc worth of Blackcoin is deposited both sides
.5 btc of Bitbay is traded for .5 btc of Bitcoin 10 times
Now 5 btc has been traded deposits are released
 
This works with ANY two currencies and does not require any coin to fork. Thus is the perfect current
solution

There are DRAWBACKS though and here is some of them:
Its too slow! Nobody wants to wait for 10 bitcoin transactions which could take days if network is slow
It can bloat the blockchain if the Exchange is too popular (since there is more transactions)
If the price of Blackcoin goes too low during a trade it would be beneficial to blow up deposits
Transacting with multiple people in the order book becomes annoying (think 10 contracts to fund a few btc)

The following methods dont need to rely solely on Blackcoin or Xcoin but have their own drawbacks too
2) The next method is ATOMIC TRADING. This wonderful little trick is to use locktimes to put the solution
to a hash problem in your transaction so that it unlocks another transaction. Both parties use separate
locktimes so they can redeem their funds if the corresponding locks arent sent.

Advantages over microtrading:
You dont need more than one transaction
You dont need to involve 3 currencies

Disadvantages:
Its still a little slow, Bob and Alice need to give lots of time in case of power outages plus they still need
to wait for several confirmations
Checklocktimeverify is NOT in more than a few coins Blackcoin Bitbay Shadowcash Peter Todds coin etc
I dont even think Bitcoin has locktimes

3) The next method is Multisignature exchange its CENTRALIZED but many times more SECURE than normal exchanges
This was one of the serious candidates for NT exchange but it doesn't really rely on BLK it just uses the name NT

The way it works is simple:
The exchange holds a 2nd key to ALL accounts
To perform trades the exchange uses signature hashes like SIGHASH NONE or SIGHASH SINGLE to have
users sign only the coins they intend on trading as a Blank Check
To secure the blank check the exchange puts in a small nominal amount of coins like 5500 satoshis

Then the exchange is free to do very fast exchanging in the form of IOUS and only on withdraw do you
pay the people you owe.

Because the exchange is only 50% holder of the account, they can not steal funds without your key.

Advantages:
thousands of times more secure and better than a regular exchange
almost trustless but not quite (see below)
a lot faster than the concepts above

Disadvantages:
If a hacker somehow got all the servers keys they could try to find out which private key corresponded
to their multisignature address. Then they can withdraw renegging on their IOUS.
However the above attack only steals the amount of coins they traded. But if they were a whale this
could still be devastating. Its will be hard for them to time double spending though.
Also, if the exchange wanted to be evil they could sign IOUS to the wrong addresses taking funds
Also, the exchange could pretend to be a user and make trades and still take funds
Also, the exchange could lose their keys in a fire or HD crash and any coin without locktimes will lose their
funds so the exchange would have to have a way of backing up their orderbook and keys on paper
The biggest disadvantage is LIABILITY. Because its not decentralized there is much responsibility even if no hack occurs

4) The last and best way for decentralized exchange is the LIGHTNING NETWORK and P2P MICROTRADING
This is a newer idea of mine. Its basically forming a Lightning network in each coin and microtrading
between neighbors until the needed amount is reached. Because a lightning network does not report
to the blockchain, they can fund using the most trivial amounts.

How does this work?
Accuonts are daisy chained
Bob->Alice, Alice->John, John->Frank
For Bob to send to Frank he routes his debt through Alice and John

It can also be daisy chained with servers and withdraw tricks Bob->Server Server->Alice

Advantages:
Its probably the best way to do decentralized exchange
Lightning networks completely reduce bloat on blockchains
There are other advantages

Drawbacks:
Since they have to include multiple peers and possibly multiple servers, there could be some
latency but its not much maybe a few seconds at the most.
It requires that all coins have checklocktimeverify and its own lightning network
Its too much work to get it done really well.

SO thats the whole thing. Blackcoins NT will still probably get made with microtrading
despite being not as good as AT or Lightning. Its decentralized and thats what i like about it.
I'm willing to sacrifice speed for security any day. But it may not be popular since traders
will want speed. And it does bloat the blockchain with smaller transactions and peers must
stay connected for a few days to finish some larger trades. Also they will need Blackcoin
and the deposit levels adds an extra amount of complexity to the exchange. The orderbook
can be centralized to help a little with speed. IF there are trolls we can require a BURN for
trades.

Hope that helps!

How do I contact Poloniex owner Directly?!
legendary
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What's the marketing team up to?

Also how long for the new templates so we can start listing coins for sale?

How much like a decentralised exchange can we make it? how automated can the coin exchange be?

This is now the time to get poloniex on board we have 20btc vol some days.

As the dev it will be best if david contact the owner of polo directly I guess.
hero member
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The beginning of this thread was a mess and totally dominated by FUD.

I have now cleaned it up a little.
I removed fud, responses to fud, and outdated links. I also deleted any response to posts that I deleted because they did not make sense anymore.
David archived the thread before I started deleting, and we will find a way to make it available to those that want to read it.
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