It's amazing how much free advice and insight into the industry Jessy has given here.
I work in a similar industry where payment processing/funding/trust is a major issue.
I think bitcoin can be a gamechanger for this adult industry segment both from the merchant (can't be charged back, frictionless, no middleman (except exchange rate risk) and consumer side (tons of guys will not give a credit card to even the most 'legit' of these sites, even for the $1 verification ploys) - but guys will toss a few bitcoins from the 'safety' of an anonymous btc address.
As Jessy mentioned, you are solving the wrong problem (building a cam site - snore) when you are just really looking to leverage the efficiency and attributes of bitcoin for this service. You should be building the framework to allow btc payments to co-exist with the major sites 'credits' systems. You could create a BTC / Cam Site currency store, with the major sites 'currencies' available for bitcoin, or even approach the sites directly - you could certainly offer lower fees than their current processors.
Posting the PMs just makes the Op look bad. Take a step back and listen to what she is telling you.
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The fact that you dont see [Jessy] was trying to help boggles my mind.
Agreed. It's completely baffling.
I normally don't do this, but I am going to post all the pm's so you guys can see I tried working with her...
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« Sent to: Vegetta on: June 25, 2011, 04:36:42 am »
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Quote from: Vegetta on June 25, 2011, 03:52:50 am
Why are you mad for ? You want to be involved in this project or not?
I told you a dozen times- I have zero interest, if I was inclined I have all of the needed resources at hand.
I was trying to keep you from wasting your time and money on a business plan that lacked an updating understanding of current market forces. I spent quite a bit of time on it, time no other professional would have spent for no personal gain. In return, you were rude and dismissive- earning yourself the contempt of the forum.
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Then she wrote me this to follow up on the pm
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« Sent to: Vegetta on: June 25, 2011, 05:05:48 am »
You have zero skills what so ever, which is why no one will work with you, and your project will not even get off the ground. What you needed to be was humble- listen and research. I was, that's how I got where I am. Think about it, 12 ladies, working full time, an average of $220 an hour- I get 50% and can work from home and not even bother to session unless I'm bored. If I want something, I don't need to partner I can easily afford to hire the best- with proven track records.
First you get the skill, then you get the respect, big poorly conceived plans just get you ridicule. Go, learn what you are talking about, prove you can implement it, then people will stop laughing at you.
If you are disheartened- I will tell the other posters how to do it properly so they can see just how clueless you are.
Just wanted to show you guys whats going on behind the scenes since this is going to be a public venture, and the public deserves to see that I am not some naive , grumpy, tool who doesn't take advice from ANYONE! I was trying to form an alliance with her, and even wanted to make her an analyst/spokes model, and give her a solid share of the project. But you see her replys... GASP!
*NOTE* This was all going on during the projects infancy 2 WEEKS AGO.
These PMs actually only make you look bad, both in content and in your willingness to reveal private content. Considering I'd like to potentially work for you (though I'm wondering if there will ever be a place to work for), I'd appreciate it if you would stop this nonsense.
Also, there's no reason to think she hacked the site.
This isn't private information its a forum PM which can go public at any minute considering that anyone can hack my account or hers...
And no you have already come off with super bad taste in this thread so you don't really have a place on my team.
P.S I dont know how much content was really in there, all I simply said was "Why are you mad for ? You want to be involved in this project or not?
" . The rest was all her, and it was vicious. Nothing she hasn't already said here in public, just all in a much more direct way. 
The fact that you dont see [Jessy] was trying to help boggles my mind.
Agreed. It's completely baffling.
I normally don't do this, but I am going to post all the pm's so you guys can see I tried working with her...
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« Sent to: Vegetta on: June 25, 2011, 04:36:42 am »
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Quote from: Vegetta on June 25, 2011, 03:52:50 am
Why are you mad for ? You want to be involved in this project or not?
I told you a dozen times- I have zero interest, if I was inclined I have all of the needed resources at hand.
I was trying to keep you from wasting your time and money on a business plan that lacked an updating understanding of current market forces. I spent quite a bit of time on it, time no other professional would have spent for no personal gain. In return, you were rude and dismissive- earning yourself the contempt of the forum.
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Then she wrote me this to follow up on the pm
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« Sent to: Vegetta on: June 25, 2011, 05:05:48 am »
You have zero skills what so ever, which is why no one will work with you, and your project will not even get off the ground. What you needed to be was humble- listen and research. I was, that's how I got where I am. Think about it, 12 ladies, working full time, an average of $220 an hour- I get 50% and can work from home and not even bother to session unless I'm bored. If I want something, I don't need to partner I can easily afford to hire the best- with proven track records.
First you get the skill, then you get the respect, big poorly conceived plans just get you ridicule. Go, learn what you are talking about, prove you can implement it, then people will stop laughing at you.
If you are disheartened- I will tell the other posters how to do it properly so they can see just how clueless you are.
Just wanted to show you guys whats going on behind the scenes since this is going to be a public venture, and the public deserves to see that I am not some naive , grumpy, tool who doesn't take advice from ANYONE! I was trying to form an alliance with her, and even wanted to make her an analyst/spokes model, and give her a solid share of the project. But you see her replys... GASP!
*NOTE* This was all going on during the projects infancy 2 WEEKS AGO.
These PMs actually only make you look bad, both in content and in your willingness to reveal private content. Considering I'd like to potentially work for you (though I'm wondering if there will ever be a place to work for), I'd appreciate it if you would stop this nonsense.
Also, there's no reason to think she hacked the site.
I asked her to be on the team twice already via PM, and she declined quite viciously.
Trying to help != Wanting to joinshe wasnt trying to get anyone to turn on you, man! she was just giving you good advice. Paranoid much ?
I asked her to be on the team twice already via PM, and she declined quite viciously.
Trying to help != Wanting to joinshe wasnt trying to get anyone to turn on you, man! she was just giving you good advice. Paranoid much ?
I asked her to be on the team twice already via PM, and she declined quite viciously.
Trying to help != Wanting to join
Ive got popcorn as in this thread and you entertain me (well intrigue me at least) 
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Go away you to. Shoo..
This thread has gone through enough abuse, and trolling. She could have made her points in a much less inflammatory way, and if you don't see that, you're a moron.
Leave this thread begone!
This thread has gone through enough abuse, and trolling. She could have made her points in a much less inflammatory way, and if you don't see that, you're a moron.
Leave this thread begone!
Uh... Now you start attacking me? Guess what? If you start a PUBLIC thread on a PUBLIC forum you open yourself to anyone being able to comment. Thats kinda the whole of a forum, mister. If you want to control who engages in this discussion and what they say, go start your own forum. Have fun trying to get any of this site's moderators to help you censor and silence anyone who disagrees with you here on this forum. Everyone in this thread has been very civil to you including Jessy. The fact that you dont see she was trying to help boggles my mind. You are doomed to many failures in life, my friend.
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P.S I don't know if because of your bias you weren't able to see the abuses towards me and my personal site
I dont have a bias. You have a a good idea but are without a clue how to execute it and refuse to take FREE advice from people with years of experience in the very industry you want to crack. The kind of advice Jessy was trying to give you people normally pay good money for. That makes you an idiot. Im not being abusive - it's just the simple truth
I dont plan on going anywhere
Ive got popcorn! Reported to the mods.
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Go away you to. Shoo..
This thread has gone through enough abuse, and trolling. She could have made her points in a much less inflammatory way, and if you don't see that, you're a moron.
Leave this thread begone!
This thread has gone through enough abuse, and trolling. She could have made her points in a much less inflammatory way, and if you don't see that, you're a moron.
Leave this thread begone!
Uh... Now you start attacking me? Guess what? If you start a PUBLIC thread on a PUBLIC forum you open yourself to anyone being able to comment. Thats kinda the whole of a forum, mister. If you want to control who engages in this discussion and what they say, go start your own forum. Have fun trying to get any of this site's moderators to help you censor and silence anyone who disagrees with you here on this forum. Everyone in this thread has been very civil to you including Jessy. The fact that you dont see she was trying to help boggles my mind. You are doomed to many failures in life, my friend.
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P.S I don't know if because of your bias you weren't able to see the abuses towards me and my personal site
I dont have a bias. You have a a good idea but are without a clue how to execute it and refuse to take FREE advice from people with years of experience in the very industry you want to crack. The kind of advice Jessy was trying to give you people normally pay good money for. That makes you an idiot. Im not being abusive - it's just the simple truth
I dont plan on going anywhere
Ive got popcorn! Vegetta, I'm not sure if you have ever checked it out but go to MFC (myfreecams) it's Excellent.
They have setups with the adult film industry and at least several of the top earners (models) regularly go to those various tradeshows/awards shows.
It is a good site, alot of people have suggested that I partner up with an already established site that can give me the models and maybe work out some type of deal. They have setups with the adult film industry and at least several of the top earners (models) regularly go to those various tradeshows/awards shows.
But then is it really Bitcoin ? Will it be as organic? Will the community (of mostly males) fall in love with it as much? If this takes off (like I know it will) , this will be the first purely organically built bitcoin business to hit the big leagues. Sure there have been others before me, and there will be many many others to come. But the attention of this thread should be a pristine indicator that the idea is valuable.
But I would like everyone's opinion on this. Would you be less likely coming to Bitcams.com if you could get all the same features that people are talking about here, with the same models that other sites have? Serious question.
Obvious advantages are
1. Solving of many legal issues
2. Solving of finding all the models
3. Solving of some of the traffic problems some people were talking about.
The people who could see themselves using Bitcams are the people I wana hear on this one.
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Go away you to. Shoo..
This thread has gone through enough abuse, and trolling. She could have made her points in a much less inflammatory way, and if you don't see that, you're a moron.
Leave this thread begone!
This thread has gone through enough abuse, and trolling. She could have made her points in a much less inflammatory way, and if you don't see that, you're a moron.
Leave this thread begone!
Uh... Now you start attacking me? Guess what? If you start a PUBLIC thread on a PUBLIC forum you open yourself to anyone being able to comment. Thats kinda the whole of a forum, mister. If you want to control who engages in this discussion and what they say, go start your own forum. Have fun trying to get any of this site's moderators to help you censor and silence anyone who disagrees with you here on this forum. Everyone in this thread has been very civil to you including Jessy. The fact that you dont see she was trying to help boggles my mind. You are doomed to many failures in life, my friend.
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P.S I don't know if because of your bias you weren't able to see the abuses towards me and my personal site
I dont have a bias. You have a a good idea but are without a clue how to execute it and refuse to take FREE advice from people with years of experience in the very industry you want to crack. The kind of advice Jessy was trying to give you people normally pay good money for. That makes you an idiot. Im not being abusive - it's just the simple truth
The fact that you dont see [Jessy] was trying to help boggles my mind.
Agreed. It's completely baffling.
On a hopefully unrelated note, teaching him a "lesson" in web security was uncalled for regardless of whom it was. Hopefully it will prepare him and his future endeavors for the attacks that so many other Bitcoin services have also had to grow through.
The fact that you dont see [Jessy] was trying to help boggles my mind.
Agreed. It's completely baffling.
Vegetta, I'm not sure if you have ever checked it out but go to MFC (myfreecams) it's Excellent.
They have setups with the adult film industry and at least several of the top earners (models) regularly go to those various tradeshows/awards shows.
They have setups with the adult film industry and at least several of the top earners (models) regularly go to those various tradeshows/awards shows.
Is anyone else getting a "The site's security certificate is not trusted!" from GLBSE, using Chrome?
Yes it's self signed for the moment (until I get a signed one), I'm also wondering why this is coming up here.
Is this idea going to be listing on GLBSE for capital?
That's what it's there for. Get in contact with me if you need help.
Nefario.
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Go away you to. Shoo..
This thread has gone through enough abuse, and trolling. She could have made her points in a much less inflammatory way, and if you don't see that, you're a moron.
Leave this thread begone!
This thread has gone through enough abuse, and trolling. She could have made her points in a much less inflammatory way, and if you don't see that, you're a moron.
Leave this thread begone!
Uh... Now you start attacking me? Guess what? If you start a PUBLIC thread on a PUBLIC forum you open yourself to anyone being able to comment. Thats kinda the whole of a forum, mister. If you want to control who engages in this discussion and what they say, go start your own forum. Have fun trying to get any of this site's moderators to help you censor and silence anyone who disagrees with you here on this forum. Everyone in this thread has been very civil to you including Jessy. The fact that you dont see she was trying to help boggles my mind. You are doomed to many failures in life, my friend.
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P.S I don't know if because of your bias you weren't able to see the abuses towards me and my personal site
I dont have a bias. You have a a good idea but are without a clue how to execute it and refuse to take FREE advice from people with years of experience in the very industry you want to crack. The kind of advice Jessy was trying to give you people normally pay good money for. That makes you an idiot. Im not being abusive - it's just the simple truth
Is anyone else getting a "The site's security certificate is not trusted!" from GLBSE, using Chrome?
Yes it's self signed for the moment (until I get a signed one), I'm also wondering why this is coming up here.
Is this idea going to be listing on GLBSE for capital?
Is anyone else getting a "The site's security certificate is not trusted!" from GLBSE, using Chrome?
Yes it's self signed for the moment (until I get a signed one), I'm also wondering why this is coming up here.
Is this idea going to be listing on GLBSE for capital?
As someone who has founded, funded, and run 6 companies from adult website revenue, I can assure you, Jessy is not trolling you. As a few other enlightened individuals have pointed out, you are CRAZY not to study every word she said and try to understand the PRINCIPLES if nothing else behind what she was trying to tell you. This woman knows the business. You dont. Its beyond me why she offered you so much hard earned information for free especially after the way you attacked her repeatedly, but my god, man! - Listen to this woman!
Having said that.... i wish you luck. If by blind chance and hard work (and trust me thats what it will be) you make this thing a success, you will think back to what a couple people were trying to tell you in this thread in a few years and think to yourself "My god! I should have listened to them! I could have avoided so many mistakes!"
Jessy, if you have projects that need partners or funding, PM me!
Having said that.... i wish you luck. If by blind chance and hard work (and trust me thats what it will be) you make this thing a success, you will think back to what a couple people were trying to tell you in this thread in a few years and think to yourself "My god! I should have listened to them! I could have avoided so many mistakes!"
Jessy, if you have projects that need partners or funding, PM me!
As programmer of the site, I will forward this Idea to vegetta. No doubt we will have somthing like this tho, this is an awsome idea.
Were you thinking rewards as money? discounts? or bitcam points?
Were you thinking rewards as money? discounts? or bitcam points?
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