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sr. member
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July 09, 2020, 09:20:22 AM
Maybe he can ask some bounty for bug finding.  Wink

If what Bitcasino said is true, he doesn't deserve a penny even. He is a cheater, cheater should be treated with no rewards. Bug hunters never take advantage of any flaws.

@yahoo62278
I think you should now close the thread as there's nothing left to discuss.
hero member
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July 09, 2020, 09:15:04 AM
But it is even important to know that did he won the 171 BTC purely out of lucky ( as per the winner claiming he did ) or through some vulnerability in that specific game. It could even cost millions of dollars worth BTC to future victim casinos if it's a crack in the game.
Who knows? The guy was blatantly lying and I wouldn't buy that it was just pure out of luck if he knows there is a crack on the system.
legendary
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July 09, 2020, 07:43:26 AM
Maybe he can ask some bounty for bug finding.  Wink Casino owners now know for this bug and solve it, so there is no more easy money on this way.
This guy Langel or however revealed himself because of his greed, and he could get a small amount of money for a long time until it caught his eye.


He already stole at least probably 25 BTC... the last week.

And who knows maybe more since he was using another bug for years as he said.
legendary
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July 09, 2020, 07:04:55 AM
Its still not clear if this 171BTC is legit or not. He admitted he cheated in the past but if his claim right now is a legit win, how should Bitcasino go over this that spectators like us will learn who tell the truth?

If LAngel keeps winning in the next few days from other casinos because he found glitch from game creators then people might not play anymore.
Bitcasino said he withdraw 25BTC a few days ago before this 171 BTC win! Glitch is money then.

Maybe he can ask some bounty for bug finding.  Wink Casino owners now know for this bug and solve it, so there is no more easy money on this way.
This guy Langel or however revealed himself because of his greed, and he could get a small amount of money for a long time until it caught his eye.
TGD
hero member
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July 09, 2020, 06:37:22 AM
Its still not clear if this 171BTC is legit or not. He admitted he cheated in the past but if his claim right now is a legit win, how should Bitcasino go over this that spectators like us will learn who tell the truth?


A cheater is always a cheater. He already admit that he do it previously and his current winnings is too shady. Who the heck will bet 30mbtc on a single spin in slot while his total balance was only 290+mbtc, the ratio of his bet to total balance is a bit odd and a normal gambler will not do that especially high rollers. High rollers knows how to manage bank roll and control wager. And also he is screen recording his game and a sudden jackpot happened? Do we really still believe on this cheater? This is obviously not luck because he knew already that he will win by the time he spin it that's why he is too confident.
sr. member
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July 09, 2020, 06:28:59 AM
Its still not clear if this 171BTC is legit or not. He admitted he cheated in the past but if his claim right now is a legit win, how should Bitcasino go over this that spectators like us knew who tells the truth?

If I rob a money room at a casino and then go play high stakes roulette or whatever and win big, do you think they'll let me keep the winnings if they found out I robbed them before playing?

EDIT; What I'm saying is that none of it matters when the user was found out - and admitted to cheating the system.

But it is even important to know that did he won the 171 BTC purely out of lucky ( as per the winner claiming he did ) or through some vulnerability in that specific game. It could even cost millions of dollars worth BTC to future victim casinos if it's a crack in the game.
hero member
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July 09, 2020, 03:33:38 AM
Its still not clear if this 171BTC is legit or not. He admitted he cheated in the past but if his claim right now is a legit win, how should Bitcasino go over this that spectators like us will learn who tell the truth?
I don't think it matters much: LAngel admitted he won 171BTC while gambling with funds gained from fraud. Being a high roller is a lot easier with stolen funds than using funds you worked for, and since the funds came from the casino in the first place, none of the profits belong to him. He didn't risk his own funds.

Fair enough. Casinos wouldn't be allowing the money that was stolen from them eventually is used to bet on them. Hhampuz analogy makes sense.

It does sound a bit naive as well for giving the robber the amount he won while he use of the casino's money. But sooner I believe he is going to play somewhere else to take advantage of this glitch he discovered.
legendary
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July 09, 2020, 03:13:38 AM
Its still not clear if this 171BTC is legit or not. He admitted he cheated in the past but if his claim right now is a legit win, how should Bitcasino go over this that spectators like us will learn who tell the truth?
I don't think it matters much: LAngel admitted he won 171BTC while gambling with funds gained from fraud. Being a high roller is a lot easier with stolen funds than using funds you worked for, and since the funds came from the casino in the first place, none of the profits belong to him. He didn't risk his own funds.
legendary
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Meh.
July 09, 2020, 03:06:34 AM
Its still not clear if this 171BTC is legit or not. He admitted he cheated in the past but if his claim right now is a legit win, how should Bitcasino go over this that spectators like us knew who tells the truth?

If I rob a money room at a casino and then go play high stakes roulette or whatever and win big, do you think they'll let me keep the winnings if they found out I robbed them before playing?

EDIT; What I'm saying is that none of it matters when the user was found out - and admitted to cheating the system.
hero member
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July 09, 2020, 03:04:50 AM
Its still not clear if this 171BTC is legit or not. He admitted he cheated in the past but if his claim right now is a legit win, how should Bitcasino go over this that spectators like us will learn who tell the truth?

If LAngel keeps winning in the next few days from other casinos because he found glitch from game creators then people might not play anymore.
Bitcasino said he withdraw 25BTC a few days ago before this 171 BTC win! Glitch is money then.
legendary
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Meh.
July 09, 2020, 02:36:32 AM
Hey guys,

A solution was immediately implemented to disable any future potential exploitation. Meanwhile, a thorough investigation has taken place. We can't disclose the details for obvious reasons however, we can ensure you we're working 24/7 365 days a year together internally, with others in the industry and of course, our partners to ensure we take the best possible precautions and swift action to safeguard security.

Cheers,
Karl
Bitcasino.io

You handled it perfectly well Karl, appreciate the thorough post previously. Keep up the good work!
copper member
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July 09, 2020, 02:27:45 AM
Hey guys,

A solution was immediately implemented to disable any future potential exploitation. Meanwhile, a thorough investigation has taken place. We can't disclose the details for obvious reasons however, we can ensure you we're working 24/7 365 days a year together internally, with others in the industry and of course, our partners to ensure we take the best possible precautions and swift action to safeguard security.

Cheers,
Karl
Bitcasino.io
legendary
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July 09, 2020, 12:22:31 AM
How does above info prove that LAngle specifically exploited or cheated the particular game ? Your explanation mergly proves that he had multiple accounts on your casino and was also active on other casino's, nothing much.
They do not necessarily need to prove this particular game was cheated. Having multiple accounts on their platform is against their Terms of Service, more so when you have cheated them on your previous account(s), that doesn't really count as 'nothing much', as all future accounts would be restricted.
Someone wanted for a crime can be arrested while doing something completely legal.

This kind of plateform are the reason why a lot of people are scared about cryptocurrencies. A cheater can take your money
Scams like this can also and have been run using fiat currencies. And with Fiat currencies the connection that was established between both accounts using the blockchain will take lots of time, paper work and approval to be checked as the blockchain is much more transparent.
sr. member
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July 08, 2020, 10:44:09 PM
......
How does above info prove that LAngle specifically exploited or cheated the particular game ? Your explanation mergly proves that he had multiple accounts on your casino and was also active on other casino's, nothing much.

On the other hand, LAngle is firm that he didn't cheated 'dawn of olympus' game where he won the huge amount.
I doubt they will disclose how he manipulated the game. Maybe it wasn't even manipulated to begin with and LAngel is telling the truth that he won the 171 BTC fair and square but because he was a proven cheater, Bitcasino simply claims he cheated again.


To LAngel, you don't deserve to be paid any amount because of your past actions but thanks to your post, the exploited vulnerabilities hidden before are now known to us.

legendary
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July 08, 2020, 10:31:28 PM
yahoo,

Consider editing your OP so you don't mislead the community.
The guy is a hacker, wasn't paid anything, and he chose to remove his video; Bitcasino didn't ask him to do it.



Basically what happened here is a user ended up winning 171 bitcoins on bitcasino.io playing their casino games. The user ended up getting his account locked and contacted the site and was asked for KYC. Casino asking for KYC is a normal practice in the industry, Locking the account while this process is ongoing, not so sure.


I am happy the guy is getting paid some of his money owed, but what I think is a bit odd is he was asked to remove the video and was given 28% of his win.



None of this is true now.

1).  He never received 4 BTC
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54755309

2).  He removed the video on his own; no one asked him to.
OP has been edited and now contains more relevant information.



There was more to add to this section but looks like LAngel has deleted more of his posts. Either way, he has confirmed he is a cheater and that Bitcasino is in the right here.

The point of this thread was not to harm Bitcasino, but rather to hold them accountable. When the thread was 1st posted, I only had certain information available . LAngel had locked his thread before any reply from the company came, so this thread was opened to show the situation as it stood at the time and allow them to make a reply. I believe it is important for all companies to be held accountable and the community deserved a response as to the issue in question.
I believe this is important as well.
sr. member
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July 08, 2020, 09:16:15 PM
LAngel is not as legitimately lucky as would have you believe.

Transaction 1 where 0.483 BTC is moved to 14t9Ff3yUgwcQm5HsAsL5Rq7meBBCDT8g5
68c63caf998c3e84f342caa988d1e439f8cd78174aa389185b3e4a06f0ecf27b

-snip-

Transaction 6 where inputs 1J14KoZVUXrG3P4Rcs6URZQ1dJHY77tVWQ and 1JkAF2owb3QgXG1UN53yREFvogTWeLs1TZ fund a deposit of 0.5 BTC to a players deposit address 38492UnXhifAE4Yag26Lbp6beoxB1cLTDT within Casino Operator 2 52777ed072b6fdd1c3cbb8b14ce7fb37556d302a0e9eaa64e801731c8b92fcb3

The above combination transactions prove that the addresses involved are in possession of a single entity responsible of the deposits to
Bitcasino Account 1, Account 2 and also to Casino Operator 1 and Casino Operator 2.

Collection of the entity’s mentioned addresses:

14t9Ff3yUgwcQm5HsAsL5Rq7meBBCDT8g5
1BCeQTQWvq5gzk8yEBzwGrWuLYjHmvf3P2
1DFQ7ofFWf1yffqwQL1Jdv445ZeYxSuGiD
1J14KoZVUXrG3P4Rcs6URZQ1dJHY77tVWQ

Account 1 Bitcasino deposit address:
3G4r8XMKgvKFq3M29kNuV9RE6kvq7eY5Qh
Account 2 Bitcasino deposit address:
3Bn9pecZA6r3Z1bCYdh4GV5tM3DYXxMhzF
Casino Operator 1 deposit address:
1BnqgnQFVpevz7idhBHpdD2Axy7L9ZC42U
Casino Operator 2 deposit address:
38492UnXhifAE4Yag26Lbp6beoxB1cLTDT

-snip-

Given the 100% match, our fraud team’s extensive findings supported by GameArt’s investigation and the history we have with this user
the account will not be unfrozen and the funds will not be paid out. There is no settlement, this is false information.


How does above info prove that LAngle specifically exploited or cheated the particular game ? Your explanation mergly proves that he had multiple accounts on your casino and was also active on other casino's, nothing much.

On the other hand, LAngle is firm that he didn't cheated 'dawn of olympus' game where he won the huge amount.



If GameArt's slots are insecure, why haven't they released a statement regarding this? GameArt slots are quite popular across a lot of different sites so I find it hard to believe their slots had an issue like this.
"No system is 100% secure," I think I've read this on someone's personal text.

It was me.  Grin
legendary
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July 08, 2020, 07:00:31 PM
#99
would really love to see bitcasino describing how such cheats happen even some people here tried to explain it but just to make sure ( as long as it doesn't still represent a risk for future possible attacks )
in the last 9 months I have seen two dapps getting attacked by hackes ( wink and betfury ) and hackers were able to get good amount of money since they were processing withdrawals automatically with no checks

I still remember the night when wink lost over 30 million TRX to a hacker but no more details were given to users even they are a revenue sharing website which means the money that the site loses is technically users' money as well

sr. member
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July 08, 2020, 06:40:38 PM
#98
anyone wondering how the cheat worked, it wasnt hacking at all.
it was the koi princess slot by netent i cheated at, NOT dawn of olympus. like i said before, that 171 btc win WAS REAL.
but i was playing with money won on koi princess.
there was a cheat where if you activate bonus bet, and spin until you get the 5-hit fish bonus, and immediately restart the game before stopping the symbol selector whee, your session will continue as if you had the bonus bet on (extra bonus chance) but not have to pay double for spins anymore that entire session.
even bitcasino account are welcome to confirm, did i not, have a big win on koi princess prior to my olympus REAL win?
So now you're admitting to cheating, which confirms Bitcasino's claim, but only partly, because the big win was allegedly legitimate.

This keeps getting weirder and there's even more questions to ask after this post...
Most importantly, what about the settlement? Whose part of the story is true? Because it can't be that both sides are true.
Bitcasino claims there's no settlement while you have nothing more to say on the matter?
there was no settlement. i woke up and wrote some nonsense earlier, i havent taken my pills.
But yes, i repeat on my mothers life, that dawn of olympus 171 btc from a 30 mbtc bet was 100000% legit and real.
so i *WISH* i had not previously cheated at koi princess with the discussed method above.
that is all.

I think it's interesting that the entire GameArt lineup including Dawn of Olympus is available to play on multiple casinos, while every NetEnt offering seems to have disappeared. I think you're being honest.

I also think you need to learn to stfu. Disclose vulnerabilities responsibly and negotiate a fair reward, or keep it to yourself and don't draw attention. Talking about this in a public forum is a great way to piss off just about everyone.
newbie
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July 08, 2020, 05:32:44 PM
#97
anyone wondering how the cheat worked, it wasnt hacking at all.
it was the koi princess slot by netent i cheated at, NOT dawn of olympus. like i said before, that 171 btc win WAS REAL.
but i was playing with money won on koi princess.
there was a cheat where if you activate bonus bet, and spin until you get the 5-hit fish bonus, and immediately restart the game before stopping the symbol selector whee, your session will continue as if you had the bonus bet on (extra bonus chance) but not have to pay double for spins anymore that entire session.
even bitcasino account are welcome to confirm, did i not, have a big win on koi princess prior to my olympus REAL win?

Daym this took me back in time when me and my buddies were trying to find game glitches this way. (trial and error)

When the game's logic gets over-complicated, there happens to be some unintended but "legit"* ways to cheat the game.

I guess what you did was similar to this. (unless you are not lying again)

*It was legit since you did not use any external tools. You only used the games faulty logic against it. (of course that doesn't mean you deserved to get paid, not legit in that way)
You're right about, if a user finds a glitch, he can use it to his own gain, and maybe get away with it if possible, the responsibility is on the website for allowing such to happen. It's just that the winning is from a user known to have used their glitches against them.
But in this case, LAngel can't allowed because he's been accused of cheating, I don't know if it's through external tools.



Bitcasino painted you as a genius.

Made a TLDR version of bitcasino's post.

...LAngel?s winnings are not legitimate and are a result of fraudulently manipulating GameArt?s Dawn of Olympus.

This is not the first encounter we?ve had with this person and this was made crystal clear when we uncovered a 100% match to a previous user
who had been investigated and subsequently blocked for tampering with games.
We use a wide array of industry-leading detection tools, 100% across them is unambiguously a match.

Previously, this user managed to extract a large amount of BTC from ourselves and also hit a few other crypto casinos in a very similar manner.
For this reason this person is widely known to ourselves, other crypto casinos and at least GameArt, if not other game providers.
...
Given the 100% match, our fraud team?s extensive findings supported by GameArt?s investigation and the history we have with this user
the account will not be unfrozen and the funds will not be paid out. There is no settlement, this is false information.
...
There are plenty of red flags that can be seen in the original thread, from the YouTube video to now being private to the very fact that the
user has been withdrawing 25BTC over the past few days
- something which has already been noted by Bitcointalk members.

These parts carry some important data.

Now... who's lying?


I guess both parties aren't saying something about this whole thing.
This user's IP should have been banned since they noticed he extracted some huge amounts of BTC and also have the game providers fix the glitches.

Agreed both parties are not telling the full picture. Banning IP is useless you can also use VPNs.
sr. member
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July 08, 2020, 05:13:41 PM
#96
anyone wondering how the cheat worked, it wasnt hacking at all.
it was the koi princess slot by netent i cheated at, NOT dawn of olympus. like i said before, that 171 btc win WAS REAL.
but i was playing with money won on koi princess.
there was a cheat where if you activate bonus bet, and spin until you get the 5-hit fish bonus, and immediately restart the game before stopping the symbol selector whee, your session will continue as if you had the bonus bet on (extra bonus chance) but not have to pay double for spins anymore that entire session.
even bitcasino account are welcome to confirm, did i not, have a big win on koi princess prior to my olympus REAL win?

Daym this took me back in time when me and my buddies were trying to find game glitches this way. (trial and error)

When the game's logic gets over-complicated, there happens to be some unintended but "legit"* ways to cheat the game.

I guess what you did was similar to this. (unless you are not lying again)

*It was legit since you did not use any external tools. You only used the games faulty logic against it. (of course that doesn't mean you deserved to get paid, not legit in that way)
You're right about, if a user finds a glitch, he can use it to his own gain, and maybe get away with it if possible, the responsibility is on the website for allowing such to happen. It's just that the winning is from a user known to have used their glitches against them.
But in this case, LAngel can't allowed because he's been accused of cheating, I don't know if it's through external tools.



Bitcasino painted you as a genius.

Made a TLDR version of bitcasino's post.

...LAngel’s winnings are not legitimate and are a result of fraudulently manipulating GameArt’s Dawn of Olympus.

This is not the first encounter we’ve had with this person and this was made crystal clear when we uncovered a 100% match to a previous user
who had been investigated and subsequently blocked for tampering with games.
We use a wide array of industry-leading detection tools, 100% across them is unambiguously a match.

Previously, this user managed to extract a large amount of BTC from ourselves and also hit a few other crypto casinos in a very similar manner.
For this reason this person is widely known to ourselves, other crypto casinos and at least GameArt, if not other game providers.
...
Given the 100% match, our fraud team’s extensive findings supported by GameArt’s investigation and the history we have with this user
the account will not be unfrozen and the funds will not be paid out. There is no settlement, this is false information.
...
There are plenty of red flags that can be seen in the original thread, from the YouTube video to now being private to the very fact that the
user has been withdrawing 25BTC over the past few days
- something which has already been noted by Bitcointalk members.

These parts carry some important data.

Now... who's lying?


I guess both parties aren't saying something about this whole thing.
This user's IP should have been banned since they noticed he extracted some huge amounts of BTC and also have the game providers fix the glitches.
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