Topic: Bitcoin - a bloodless revolution - page 2. (Read 702 times)

Try starting a petition in North Korea and see how far you get.   

Only in certain settings are petitions an effective form of change.  Don't conflate your own country with how things may work elsewhere. 

MODERN revolutions/political change does not happen the way media portrays them

ghandi
suffragettes

did you know that it was not the sole act of fasting.. nor woman chained to a fence. that changed marked events of history
nor is it street protests either
nor riots
nor assassinating presidents
nor arson
not chaos

what actually happens is outside of whats revealed in modern media.. is 2 things. called petitioning and lobbying

yep while media tells people to walk the streets and protest. they should instead be telling people to sign petitions to get their representatives to act. whereby legally a petition of certain threshold cannot be ignored..
unlike protests and fasting and other crap stuff media tell people to do

yes in some cases the protesting and fasting then makes those in the know get emotionally involved to want to petition/lobby.. but its the petition/lobby part thats crucial. not the stuff media show that happens on the streets

The South African revolution was not without any bloodshed at all. Many black people killed other black people who were seen as government collaborators, informers and black policemen. The executioners would force a car tyre over the head and around the arms of the suspect, drench it in petrol, and set it alight. (Also called, Necklacing)

During the unrest periods, many people were shot and killed and lots of blood were shed during those times. Nelson Mandela were involved in the bombing of many power plants and strategic installations.

I am just glad that Satoshi Nakamoto found a way to revolt against the governments and Banks, without people being killed or hurt. (Even though nobody knows what happened to Satoshi) 

Interesting view but lets not forget that Bitcoin "revolution" is just getting started. Other revolutions also didn't start with a bloodshed although they may have ended in one. Bitcoin is at the very first step of a very long route.
Also lets not forget that because Bitcoin's "revolution" is mainly taking place in the digital world, the bloodshed is also taking place in the virtual world. All the hacks, the market manipulation, state/bankster sponsored FUD, etc. are all signs of an ongoing "war".

Don't you mean rules for radicals?

I have a feeling that this rule is written on top of all US military bases #illusion

Just coming to say that I am loving reading your posts. So on point


These revolutions were not bloodless in the grand scheme of things  
Heck, Ghandi himself was assassinated.

Yeah, who could forget Gandhi's Ahimsa? Aside from Gandhi and Mandela's peaceful revolutions, there was also the People Power Revolution in the Philippines, the Peaceful Revolution in Germany, and many others. But these are in the socio-political context.

Satoshi's revolution should generally be bloodless because it is a technological revolution. Satoshi or any of his/her/their supporters won't have to take up arms in order to pursue change. But I think this isn't the first time either. Electricity itself was part of the larger industrial revolution in the 18^th century onwards.

And then there were also several revolutions that are in the context of science. Scientific revolutions were also bloodless.

It does not need a war to make a revolution for accounting and technology, it's bloodless.

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It makes a third biggest evolution for Accounting with decentralized bookkeeping by its public ledger. From single bookkeeping, double bookkeeping to Bitcoin public ledger, it takes centuries and we are using a most modern accounting tool. Data on Bitcoin blockchain and its public ledger can not be erased or edited. Everyone can become a part of Bitcoin network by running a node and become one of its bookkeepers, very decentralized. We can access its public ledger data anytime and no need to ask permission from any entity.

History of accounting

Not really, that's why there are velvet revolutions, and since you've mentioned it, Romania was the only one that had a violent revolution at the fall of the Warsaw pact! Don't know why you hated that guy that much compared to our own commies but you're the only ones that executed somebody then and that had the army firing on its own fellow countrymen.


Same as revolutions and revolutionaries, usually the ones that revolt are the same that butcher the entire revolution and turn the country into a deeper shithole!

revolting(rebel) against a government is when you find a government revolting(rotten)

.. if trump was not enough to cause a massive power vacuum of people wanting to run off and self govern. i dont think there will be a revolution any time soon

politics continues. in any governed system. give just enough to appease the masses but not enough to please the masses, to remind the masses whos in power

if people got exactly what they wanted they wouldnt need anyone/thing else

Revolution is


If a tiny percentage of the population uses Bitcoin, and not as a replacement for fiat, but as a tool to get rich quick, that's not a change of political power. If Bitcoin was adopted by at least some 20-30% of people, and those people used only Bitcoin and never fiat, you could talk about a revolution. Until that happens, Bitcoin is just a rarely used alternative.

I admire the passion of OP, bitcoin is truly a revolutionary concept. Satoshi created something that completely disrupts the system. I think bitcoin can only be a true revolution when bitcoiners start to see it as one, we seem to have forgot or never knew bitcoin is about power shift. It’s interesting that the media never portrays bitcoin in that light, bitcoin is always discussed investment-wise. So newbies don’t even bother about reading the white paper, they read the charts and place a buy order. That’s why we have a lot of bitcoiners who don’t even see bitcoin past being a money game. In a real sense I believe Satoshi was a libertarian and that bitcoin isn’t just a cryptocurrency. Governments and banks are afraid of it, they aren’t afraid of altcoins. Nope bitcoin is the problem because it is disruptive to their system. In LeGaulois words “Bitcoiners kill Bitcoin, and governments are happy”

The notion that the creation of Bitcoin constitutes a "bloodless revolution" is a matter of perspective and interpretation. While it is true that the development and spread of Bitcoin has not been accompanied by physical violence, it is important to underline that the effects of Bitcoin on the traditional financial system and on governments have been significant and have caused significant changes in the way financial systems work. , which is what many consider a revolution. Also, the fact that Bitcoin follows Saul Alinsky's rules may be a personal interpretation. While Alinsky's rules are about grassroots community organizing for power, while the creation of Bitcoin is a financial and technical invention that uses a decentralized and cryptographic system to enable peer-to-peer transactions without intermediaries. These are two different camps and ideologies.

Bitcoin is a completely new phenomenon in the history of mankind, so it can be seen as both a revolution and an evolution....

At the same time, everything we can say about Bitcoin will not be completely correct.  At best, we will be able to describe only part of this amazing phenomenon. 

In my opinion, Satoshi Nakamoto perceived himself as the Creator who creates a new entity that will exist in our world and change it.  He may have been influenced by Isaac Asimov's sci-fi novel Foundation when he created Bitcoin.

Yeah, i think calling it an evolution sounds proper because bitcoin is just part of the evolution process that the human race has been constantly going through and bitcoin has a great evolutionary change in the currency and financial sector. Before now we traded and paid for commodities through the trade by barter system, after that period evolution took place and the use of cowries came into use, then we evolved into the use of metal coins and the use of fiat came into play and currently now the evolution process is going on with the spread and acceptance of bitcoin currently taking over the financial system. So i believe in time coming the world would have evolved so much that bitcoin will probably be accepted and used by everyone and in every country world wide.

This is not complete yet until everyone across the nooks and crannies of the world adopted bitcoin and renders fiat vulnerable without being helped, and this is a time we are seeking for beyond this present dispensation whereby every centralized authorities will be shamed with humility, bitcoin does not beed to made it loud before achieving these since the creation and adoption went on as expected without any glitch despite the news around that it's a scam, bitcoin has executed all challenges with handling fiat from central authorities and we gor decentralized in an independent way home hich is total financial freedom without fighting a III world war or human massacre.

I get your point and it is very positive for bitcoin. What I would still say is that bitcoin is more of a very advance evolution rather than a revolution in the real term. A revolution is usually a total reset and the start of something completely different. With bitcoin we have a slow evolution and maybe even bitcoin and fiat will be able to share the financial market together for much longer.

Actually, Bitcoin is not the first bloodless revolution. If you look a little back, there was the Indian revolution started by Ghandi more than 100 years ago.

And there's also the South African revolution by Nelson Mandela.

All revolutions imply bloodsheds. This is why revolution flags are always red.

Since Spartacus' rebellion (71 - 71 BC) to American Revolution (1765 – 1783); from French Revolution (1789 – 1799) to Hungarian Revolution from Budapest (1956); from Prague (1968) to Carnation Revolution from Portugal (1974); from Mexican Revolution led by Emiliano Zapata Salazar (1910 - 1920) to Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution launched by Mao Zedong (1966) to Nicaraguan Revolution ('60 and '70) and to Romanian Revolution from 1989. And the list may continue. All revolutions had their bloodbaths. Their leaders fought for their purposes, but none ever succeeded a bloodless revolution.

Until Satoshi Nakamoto.

Satoshi never intended to be a revolution leader, yet his creation -- Bitcoin -- revolutionized the entire world. It took the power from the hands of elites and gave it back to people. People started being able to control  their own money without being coerced to involve third parties. Bitcoin eliminated intermediaries and rendered governs and banks as irrelevant for individuals relying on Bitcoin. It disrupted the traditional finances and implemented a new paradigm: "A purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash which would allow online payments to be sent directly from one party to another without going through a financial institution". Bitcoin is the first bloodless revolution from history.

Nobody had to die for Bitcoin to prevail. Bitcoin revolution implied no violence, no massacres, no any other horrendous aspects which happen during revolutions. It helped those which were starving and the poor to have a chance to live and fight for their lives. It helped connecting people from all over the world. And no political leader can shut Bitcoin down. Revolution continues for more than 10 years now. And, day by day, it earns more adepts.

Many times I asked myself how Bitcoin managed to run this bloodless revolution. And sometimes I am thinking that, somehow, Bitcoin revolution followed the rules Of Saul Alinsky. Alinsky was an American activist and, among others, he wrote the rules of a successful revolution. As it can be easily noticed, none of his rules imply any violence.

Rule 1: Power is not only what you have, but what an opponent thinks you have. -- Since its apparition, Bitcoin was feared by governs, banks and other elites. They felt that they may lose the extraordinary power they had until then and started seeing Bitcoin as a giant enemy, although Bitcoin was just in its first days.

Rule 2: Whenever possible, go outside the experience of an opponent. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat and ways he does not know how to fight against. -- Elites never feared they may lose their power over citizen. After all, people are oppressed by governs and banks for thousands of years. Yet when Bitcoin arrived, together with its new paradigm of peer-to-peer financial deals, combined also with a pseudonymity which can be dramatically improved through tumblers and coin joins, all oppressors started to be confused. Next thing they felt was fear. They did not know how to fight against Bitcoin. And, for a decade now, all their attempts to shut it down failed.

Rule 3: Make opponents live up to their own book of rules. -- Bitcoin fought against elites with their own powers. As elites simply stripped people for ages of their financial control, so did Bitcoin, which just gave people back the power of their own finances.

Rule 4: Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It's hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage. -- Governs always wanted to know how much money each citizen has and also how the regular individual spends the money. Satoshi built Bitcoin in a fashion which ridicules State's greed for knowing all financial transactions made by its citizen: all Bitcoin transactions can be seen on blockchain, which is public; yet, the addresses of the sender and of the recipient are just some strings of alphanumeric characters, which give out no names, no surnames, no personal information (assuming that users did not give their personal information to third parties, such as centralized exchanges). Satoshi's invention taunted the State and it looks like it's saying: "Do you want to know how much money I have? Here, you can see that. Do you want to see all my transactions? You can see that too. I made them public, in your face. But what you don't know is who I am".

Rule 5: A tactic that drags on for too long becomes a drag. Commitment may become ritualistic as people turn to other issues. -- Therefore changes are needed, even slight ones. Bitcoin passed through changes during last decade. From SegWit to bech32 and from Taproot to various BIPs, Bitcoin changed and evolved during time.

Rule 6: Keep the pressure on. Use different tactics and actions and use all events of the period for your purpose. "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. It is this that will cause the opposition to react to your advantage." -- Since Bitcoin appeared governs and banks started feeling a pressure which kept constantly growing. In several periods of financial difficulties people used Bitcoin. And the more such terrible events occurred, the more people embraced Bitcoin, which led to a pressure even greater on governs' shoulders, realizing that the power of control is slipping from their hands and people can organize themselves alone, without the intervention of State, banks and other third parties.

Rule 7: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. -- Bitcoin chose its targets even before it was born: the existing financial system, the middlemen, the governs and the banks. Its intentions were shown, in a subtle way, even from its Genesis block, which contained the following message: "Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks".

We may have many years to live and so will our children and grandchildren. Yet I don't know if we'll ever see another bloodless revolution in the future...

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Translations (in chronological order):

• Română: Bitcoin – o revoluție fără vărsare de sânge, translation by GazetaBitcoin
• German: Bitcoin - eine unblutige Revolution, translation by AHOYBRAUSE
• Polish: Bitcoin - bezkrwawa rewolucja, translation by cygan
• Filipino: Bitcoin - Ang Mapayapang Rebolusyon, translation by Asuspawer09
• Bengali: বিটকয়েন - একটি রক্তহীন বিপ্লব, translation by Learn Bitcoin
• Pidgin: Bitcoin - Revolution wey de bloodless, translation by Nheer
• French: Bitcoin - une révolution sans effusion de sang, translation by iwantmyhomepaidwithbtc2
• Urdu: بٹ کوائن کا ایک بے خون انقلاب, translation by CryptoYar
• Russian: Биткoйн – бecкpoвнaя peвoлюция, translation by FP91G
• Indonesian: Bitcoin - sebuah revolusi tak berdarah, translation by Pandorak
• Ukrainian: Бiткoйн - бeзкpoвнa peвoлюцiя, translation by DrBeer
• Turkish Bitcoin - Kansız bir Devrim, translation by mela65