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Topic: bitcoin and money laundering (Read 9539 times)

sr. member
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I love bitcoins.
March 08, 2015, 02:18:56 PM
wow, this is deep bro. I never thought about this but, good to know  Wink
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legendary
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November 21, 2014, 11:10:05 AM
For some Politician in other country who have weak law , bitcoin is another option to hide their money.
They can keep it in cold wallet and they can ask bribe with bitcoin not cash money.
sr. member
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November 20, 2014, 10:38:45 PM
BTC has a long way to go to become a most laundered money. USD is the most laundered money, however, it is still legal tender.
full member
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November 20, 2014, 10:29:21 AM
The public blockchain require laundering. Businesses also have to hide their transactions/sales/customers/supply and so on to competitors.
The thing is the P2P solution is pure laundering. Too perfect to be legal. I think banks will launder your money, you put in a big jar and they give you back what you need. The authorities will connect the dots with the internal database of the bank.
hero member
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November 16, 2014, 02:44:45 AM
Btc could be used as a good method the launder money in and around the world without anyone's notice,being a no centralized online currency no body is there to question how much of money you move through and over this system Grin

The blockchain is a permanent, unquestionable record. If you are not really careful, you may end up disclosing your identity.  Smiley
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November 15, 2014, 07:49:58 AM
because bitcoin is included in the financial transactions it is possible bitcoin can be made illegal transactions such as money laundering practices, plus more on bitcoin wallet there is no clear identity, in addition to the admin who hold it, so that when used as a wash bitcoin wallet money, it will be very difficult to track the process and who did it ...  Roll Eyes
sr. member
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November 15, 2014, 07:18:14 AM
Can you give some proofs to prove it?


proof? didn't you heard about silk road and silk road 2 that blackmarket used bitcoins in their transactions, most of those transactions are drugs and illegal things.
newbie
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November 15, 2014, 02:39:29 AM
Can you give some proofs to prove it?
newbie
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August 27, 2014, 10:45:06 AM
Money laundering is going to keep happening no matter what currency is being used  Roll Eyes
sr. member
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August 26, 2014, 05:47:11 PM
I think not only bitcoin can be used for money laundering, almost all of currency of this world can be used for money laundering, it's depend on the person who used the currency, hopefully bitcoin and all of the currency in the can be used not for illegally like money laundering ...
legendary
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August 26, 2014, 11:59:03 AM
Btc could be used as a good method the launder money in and around the world without anyone's notice,being a no centralized online currency no body is there to question how much of money you move through and over this system Grin

yes, that's the reason why the Government wants to ban BTC

Laundering and tax evasion are reasons, but the primary reason is control over the economy.
hero member
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August 26, 2014, 05:25:07 AM
Btc could be used as a good method the launder money in and around the world without anyone's notice,being a no centralized online currency no body is there to question how much of money you move through and over this system Grin

yes, that's the reason why the Government wants to ban BTC
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August 25, 2014, 04:51:59 AM
Btc could be used as a good method the launder money in and around the world without anyone's notice,being a no centralized online currency no body is there to question how much of money you move through and over this system Grin
sr. member
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August 24, 2014, 09:36:32 PM
The seller would not be doing anything illegal (except not checking the buyer's ID). The buyer would likely be willing to pay for the privacy because they intend to do something illegal with the BTC.

As long as there is no legal requirement to check the buyer's ID, I guess the seller should be safe.
In the US if someone sells something like BTC for fiat in any amount they are suppose to verify the other person's identity and report any transactions above a certain threshold and report any kind of suspicious activity they encounter.

That is strange. It is usually the buyer who has to verify ids (to ensure that there is no tax evasion). But each jurisdiction will have its own rules.
I am pretty sure this is not true. It is generally the responsibility of the person who is "handing out" the fiat to make sure that the person receiving the fiat is doing so legitimately. Tax evasion is generally the responsibility of the tax authority to try to prevent.
hero member
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August 24, 2014, 02:40:40 PM
The seller would not be doing anything illegal (except not checking the buyer's ID). The buyer would likely be willing to pay for the privacy because they intend to do something illegal with the BTC.

As long as there is no legal requirement to check the buyer's ID, I guess the seller should be safe.
In the US if someone sells something like BTC for fiat in any amount they are suppose to verify the other person's identity and report any transactions above a certain threshold and report any kind of suspicious activity they encounter.

That is strange. It is usually the buyer who has to verify ids (to ensure that there is no tax evasion). But each jurisdiction will have its own rules.
All of the money laundering cases that have involved LBC (AFAIK) have always involved the seller of BTC not verifying the identity of a buyer after being told that the buyer is going to use the BTC for something illegal.
legendary
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August 24, 2014, 10:32:17 AM
The seller would not be doing anything illegal (except not checking the buyer's ID). The buyer would likely be willing to pay for the privacy because they intend to do something illegal with the BTC.

As long as there is no legal requirement to check the buyer's ID, I guess the seller should be safe.
In the US if someone sells something like BTC for fiat in any amount they are suppose to verify the other person's identity and report any transactions above a certain threshold and report any kind of suspicious activity they encounter.

That is strange. It is usually the buyer who has to verify ids (to ensure that there is no tax evasion). But each jurisdiction will have its own rules.
sr. member
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August 24, 2014, 01:48:06 AM
The seller would not be doing anything illegal (except not checking the buyer's ID). The buyer would likely be willing to pay for the privacy because they intend to do something illegal with the BTC.

As long as there is no legal requirement to check the buyer's ID, I guess the seller should be safe.
In the US if someone sells something like BTC for fiat in any amount they are suppose to verify the other person's identity and report any transactions above a certain threshold and report any kind of suspicious activity they encounter.
legendary
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August 23, 2014, 07:06:40 PM
The seller would not be doing anything illegal (except not checking the buyer's ID). The buyer would likely be willing to pay for the privacy because they intend to do something illegal with the BTC.

As long as there is no legal requirement to check the buyer's ID, I guess the seller should be safe.
hero member
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August 23, 2014, 03:16:54 PM
Getting harder to cash out large sum of bitcoin as all exchanges are now regulated.

Local Bitcoins then?
LBC sellers are technically suppose to comply with AML regulations, although many of them do not do so. You would probably need to sell over several trades if you wanted to cash out a large amount.

LBC users are in no way at all required to comply with AML regs any more than the seller of a used car is required to do so.
I have read news reports that LE has charged LBC sellers with AML violations when they sold to people who we're claiming to be using the bitcoin for illegal purposes

Fine.

Where's the beef?

Show us the links!

And please tell us just how a transaction which might appear to be illegal on it scae compares with a perfectly legal transaction between two ordinary citizens.

oh

It's "were" not "we're".

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I have seen the report to. It was in Miami, this guy was charging 30%+ markup on trades to people. An undercover cop told the seller that he was going to use the bitcoin for illegal purposes and he was arrested for violating AML laws. I have also seen on the FinCen website that anyone who transmits any amount of financial instruments must follow AML laws.

Should be wary of buyer paying 30% premium.
It was the seller asking for these kinds of premiums. IMO the seller was targeting people who were trying to use bitcoin for illegal purposes and wanted to stay "under the radar"
IMO whenever you are making this kind of markup in an efficient market, you are almost certainly doing something that you shouldn't be doing.
This is more or less true. If you are willing to pay this much of a premium then it is very likely that you are going to ask the other person not to verify your identity. You have a good argument for them not to check your ID because they are making so much money from your trade. 

I doubt if the seller is doing anything illegal here.
The seller would not be doing anything illegal (except not checking the buyer's ID). The buyer would likely be willing to pay for the privacy because they intend to do something illegal with the BTC.
sr. member
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August 23, 2014, 12:59:10 PM
Money laundering is a problem with cash too.
Yes many Countries with very stick laws unable to stop this and bitcoin is also very good and easy way for this
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