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It's true, it's also how we use Bitcoin in the past. Pay with Bitcoin in places that accept Bitcoin or hoard it as an investment.
The truth is that many people have gotten rich by hoarding Bitcoins in the past.

If people got rich by hoarding in the past then we just follow the same thing, we are hoarding bitcoin now then 5 or 10 years from now to be rich, but I'm sure few people dare to do this, most people will always say its too late and no dare to take risks.
The reason is true, but it has nothing to do with the risk of buying at a high price. Currently the price of bitcoin is so high that the price cannot be reached by most people. I'm sure there are many people who want to invest in bitcoin but are financially constrained and they end up only collecting bitcoins from bounties and airdrops.
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Bitcoin is a combination of speculative assets and currency.
Now many companies have accepted bitcoin as a payment method, and some countries are gradually accepting it as payment, especially in El Salvador which has already used bitcoin as legal tender.
The original purpose of bitcoin appeared as a payment currency, but with the passage of time and the development of bitcoin, more people realize its value and profitability, and they are more inclined to hold it as a speculative asset for a long time and obtain profits.
agree. maybe some companies want to, or introduce crypto at once. or they want to adapt on small to big scale, and its good.
and there are some companies, can do that and supported by country but prefer to pay with usual method because bitcoin is too valuable.
people will find way to satisfying their desire, developing technology around or developing own needed
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It's true, it's also how we use Bitcoin in the past. Pay with Bitcoin in places that accept Bitcoin or hoard it as an investment.
The truth is that many people have gotten rich by hoarding Bitcoins in the past.
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Bitcoin is a combination of speculative assets and currency.
Now many companies have accepted bitcoin as a payment method, and some countries are gradually accepting it as payment, especially in El Salvador which has already used bitcoin as legal tender.
The original purpose of bitcoin appeared as a payment currency, but with the passage of time and the development of bitcoin, more people realize its value and profitability, and they are more inclined to hold it as a speculative asset for a long time and obtain profits.
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Like other currencies, Bitcoin is a currency that has 3 functions, including as a medium of exchange/payment, store of value and speculation.  So, the currency should have those 3 functions.  Otherwise it can be a speculative asset for what is called currency. But there are many who may think that speculation does not have to be owned by a currency.  Though it is the part of the currency.

We could say Bitcoin is a multi-purpose currency. It's the first of its kind, opening up a world of possibilities. Most people use Bitcoin as a speculative asset since they only care about making money from it. Only a very small minority use it as a currency. Ultimately, it's all about Bitcoin's underlying technology. Blockchain is what'll change our world in many ways that were never imagined. Price per coin doesn't matter if the same is useful. What's important is that Bitcoin stays decentralized and censorship-resistant. As long as it stays that way, there should be nothing to worry about. Just my opinion Smiley
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With how far Bitcoin has gone since its inception, it's unlikely it'll become worthless in the future. Just my opinion Smiley

Like other currencies, Bitcoin is a currency that has 3 functions, including as a medium of exchange/payment, store of value and speculation.  So, the currency should have those 3 functions.  Otherwise it can be a speculative asset for what is called currency. But there are many who may think that speculation does not have to be owned by a currency.  Though it is the part of the currency.
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People who say bitcoin isn't an asset are factually wrong. An asset is literally anything that has value, and there are plenty of non-physical things that have value and are therefore assets.  Intellectual property is a classic example, including patents.  Also, 5G spectrum has no tangible existence and yet the major telecoms are buying swaths of it for billions of dollars, which they then own to build their 5G networks on.  This is another obvious example of a non-tangible asset.  And of course, any crypto- not tangible, has value = is an asset, according to the literal definition of the word.

Bitcoin is both a speculative asset and a currency. It's the best of both worlds. Most people don't know this, so they rely on Bitcoin only as an investment tool (or speculative asset). They're only in it to make a lot of money, instead of believing in its core technology to change our world for the better. Only a very small minority uses Bitcoin as a currency for day-to-day payments.

Of course, Bitcoin has its limitations. High fees and slow transaction confirmation times makes it a terrible alternative to existing Fiat. But that's not a concern if you care about decentralization and censorship-resistance. Some may say Bitcoin doesn't have intrinsic value because it's "made out of thin air". But that's completely wrong since time and energy is spent in order to generate new Bitcoins. Intangible assets are as valuable as tangible assets, in my own opinion. Consider how your digital data is valuable to companies and governments alike. If there's demand for something, you can expect it to gain value in the long run. With how far Bitcoin has gone since its inception, it's unlikely it'll become worthless in the future. Just my opinion Smiley
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Can it be both because I believe that bitcoin is comprised of factors that is unique to currency and speculative asset. Plus there's nothing wrong with both because it adds some character of some sort to bitcoin being debated whether it's an asset or a currency.
Unfortunately, the higher the price of bitcoin became, the more solidly it became a speculative financial asset. It can sometimes be used as a means of payment, but in general it is not beneficial for market participants. I do not think that the price of bitcoin will go up indefinitely, as many believe. This is not possible in our material world. However, if the price growth of bitcoin stops, then the cryptocurrency market will change dramatically, and this will be a real shock for him.
States will also strengthen the regulation of cryptocurrency, it is not profitable for them to use it as a means of payment. Already in October, we may see new recommendations from the FATF regarding the regulation of the circulation of cryptocurrency. This could have an impact on bitcoin as well.
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The pros and cons of crypto currency, bitcoin, are still rolling in when the price is still at a high level and with extreme volatility. The pros claim bitcoin to be the future for international transactions, while the cons are still strong if bitcoin is a speculative item, not even worthy of being called an asset.  Huh

People who are against bitcoin and say it doesn't deserve to be called an asset because bitcoin doesn't have a physical form and is very volatile (decentralized), of course it will be a problem if bitcoin is accepted as an official payment system because the price goes up and down in a day can reach 10% or more, but I'm sure if the bitcoin community is increasing, more and more countries will legalize bitcoin just like fiat currency.

People who say bitcoin isn't an asset are factually wrong. An asset is literally anything that has value, and there are plenty of non-physical things that have value and are therefore assets.  Intellectual property is a classic example, including patents.  Also, 5G spectrum has no tangible existence and yet the major telecoms are buying swaths of it for billions of dollars, which they then own to build their 5G networks on.  This is another obvious example of a non-tangible asset.  And of course, any crypto- not tangible, has value = is an asset, according to the literal definition of the word.
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Is Bitcoin still yet a speculative asset or a store of value? I think people will have different opinions about this.
Also bitcoin high transaction fee, is it not related to this? Because the lower the fee the more Bitcoin will fit into the currency category.
You are right, the power that government has over their people is the currency that they are making use of, and they wouldn’t like to lose that power. They are not going to let bitcoin replace the fiat currency we are making use of, since they know very well that they cannot control it (BTC), so they won’t let that happen at all.

I see bitcoin heading towards becoming a store of value mainly, but we are still going to continue making use of it for transactions online just like we do now, it’s going to be for people who wants to make use of it that way.
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Well said, why everyone is interested in bitcoin is because of its potential dollar value in the future, it's a very successful currency that has grown from almost worthless to the current price, everyone will be interested but it seems like the prediction in the past that 1 BTC could buy a Lambo would be happening in the future.

Before, 1 BTC = grocery items, maybe 5 years from now, 1 BTC = Lambo.

Also, don't forget about the hype, that makes it a speculative asset more.

It's all about money these days. As long as Bitcoin continues to go up in price, people will only use it as an investment tool than a currency for day-to-day payments. What's important is that Bitcoin stays true to its roots by being a decentralized and censorship-resistant cryptocurrency. Bitcoin is more than just a store of value. It's a revolution where people can finally gain financial freedom. A currency which is not controlled or owned by the state, brings many benefits to its users. People can rely on Bitcoin as an "escape route" from the current monetary system controlled by central banks and governments alike. But not everyone understands what Bitcoin is all about.

Considering how long people have been relying on Bitcoin as a speculative asset, it seems to me that everything will remain unchanged in the future. I wouldn't worry about this as long as Bitcoin has strong community support. Just my thoughts Grin
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The pros and cons of crypto currency, bitcoin, are still rolling in when the price is still at a high level and with extreme volatility. The pros claim bitcoin to be the future for international transactions, while the cons are still strong if bitcoin is a speculative item, not even worthy of being called an asset.  Huh

The scope of the cryptocurrency or cryptocurrency is many, what governments and banks do not accept in general is volatility, in fact some countries are already taken into account as an asset or currency, such as El Salvador, there it is accepted and taken into account as normal currency, so far it has not gone bad.

Of course now the country has some problems of understanding with the World Bank and other organizations that do not accept BTC, but it is not something for which they should allow themselves to be extorted, it is something very normal that now the president of the country must know how to handle, however Other countries have as a project to accept BTC such as Paraguay, Argentina, among others, in the same way BTC represents money, and being money it is something that should be treated with the same importance.

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Is Bitcoin still yet a speculative asset or a store of value? I think people will have different opinions about this.
Also bitcoin high transaction fee, is it not related to this? Because the lower the fee the more Bitcoin will fit into the currency category.

The interview was quite interesting: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VUvp9X8UTws&feature=youtu.be
https://www.kitco.com/news/2021-07-27/-Central-bank-digital-currencies-were-concocted-in-hell-by-Satan-himself-Rich-Checkan.html


You would hope that bitcoin's speculative value is based on bitcoin's future ability to be used as digital currency (as it was created to be used ;-)).
*though there are plenty of speculative "investors" who don't have a basic understanding of what they are investing in (yes tulips, .com and real estate)

You can hope that all you want, but it's demonstrably not the case. Almost nobody cares about using it as a currency. People buy it to speculate and try to get rich, and because they have major FOMO when they see others buying it. If it weren't for social media, Bitcoin would still be worthless. And a red flag about its true intrinsic value is that nobody knows what it's worth themselves, they depend on what others think it's worth (or worse yet, the perception of what others think it's worth) to inform their opinion of what they think it's worth.
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Is Bitcoin still yet a speculative asset or a store of value? I think people will have different opinions about this.
Also bitcoin high transaction fee, is it not related to this? Because the lower the fee the more Bitcoin will fit into the currency category.

The interview was quite interesting: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VUvp9X8UTws&feature=youtu.be
https://www.kitco.com/news/2021-07-27/-Central-bank-digital-currencies-were-concocted-in-hell-by-Satan-himself-Rich-Checkan.html


You would hope that bitcoin's speculative value is based on bitcoin's future ability to be used as digital currency (as it was created to be used ;-)).
*though there are plenty of speculative "investors" who don't have a basic understanding of what they are investing in (yes tulips, .com and real estate)


It's interesting that you bring up transaction fees:
In 2013 bitcoin was fast and cheap to use and I bought anything I could with it for a few years. When I tried to spend a few hundred dollars worth in 2018 (with a $20 tx fee) it took days.
I've kept a bit of mined coin and leave it but not as a "store of value", for that I think of precious metals and keeping the things I own well maintained.
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The pros and cons of crypto currency, bitcoin, are still rolling in when the price is still at a high level and with extreme volatility. The pros claim bitcoin to be the future for international transactions, while the cons are still strong if bitcoin is a speculative item, not even worthy of being called an asset.  Huh
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If people use it as a currency rather than trading it, it becomes a currency.

Since people trade it more than using it as a currency, it is more like a speculative asset lately.

Most people I know don't want to know about bitcoin's use cases. They just want to get rich.

That's certainly true, mate. Most people are into crypto to make a lot of money, so Bitcoin's main use is more as a speculative asset than anything else. If people used Bitcoin as a unit of account instead of Fiat, things would've been a lot different than what they are right now. Imagine paying directly in Bitcoin without the need to know how much the coin is worth in terms of Fiat. It would enable a truly-decentralized crypto economy just like Satoshi envisioned. Always remember that 1 Bitcoin equals 1 Bitcoin no matter what. If people truly knew the meaning of crypto/Blockchain tech, they wouldn't been relying on Bitcoin as means for profit. Only Fiat's disappearance will make people use Bitcoin as a currency than all the other way around. But we all know this is very unlikely to happen anytime soon. Just my thoughts Grin

"Always remember 1 Bitcoin equals 1 Bitcoin no matter what."  This is an empty platitude that doesn't mean anything.  1 dollar equals 1 dollar no matter what too.  It doesn't have any practical value knowing this.  You need to know the value of money in relation to things you want or need to buy.  Does 1 bitcoin buy a bag of groceries or a car?  Knowing it's worth "1 bitcoin" is meaningless.  Bitcoin is unusable as a currency because no one knows how much it's worth unless they convert it into USD first.

Well said, why everyone is interested in bitcoin is because of its potential dollar value in the future, it's a very successful currency that has grown from almost worthless to the current price, everyone will be interested but it seems like the prediction in the past that 1 BTC could buy a Lambo would be happening in the future.

Before, 1 BTC = grocery items, maybe 5 years from now, 1 BTC = Lambo.

Also, don't forget about the hype, that makes it a speculative asset more.
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If people use it as a currency rather than trading it, it becomes a currency.

Since people trade it more than using it as a currency, it is more like a speculative asset lately.

Most people I know don't want to know about bitcoin's use cases. They just want to get rich.

That's certainly true, mate. Most people are into crypto to make a lot of money, so Bitcoin's main use is more as a speculative asset than anything else. If people used Bitcoin as a unit of account instead of Fiat, things would've been a lot different than what they are right now. Imagine paying directly in Bitcoin without the need to know how much the coin is worth in terms of Fiat. It would enable a truly-decentralized crypto economy just like Satoshi envisioned. Always remember that 1 Bitcoin equals 1 Bitcoin no matter what. If people truly knew the meaning of crypto/Blockchain tech, they wouldn't been relying on Bitcoin as means for profit. Only Fiat's disappearance will make people use Bitcoin as a currency than all the other way around. But we all know this is very unlikely to happen anytime soon. Just my thoughts Grin

"Always remember 1 Bitcoin equals 1 Bitcoin no matter what."  This is an empty platitude that doesn't mean anything.  1 dollar equals 1 dollar no matter what too.  It doesn't have any practical value knowing this.  You need to know the value of money in relation to things you want or need to buy.  Does 1 bitcoin buy a bag of groceries or a car?  Knowing it's worth "1 bitcoin" is meaningless.  Bitcoin is unusable as a currency because no one knows how much it's worth unless they convert it into USD first.
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If people use it as a currency rather than trading it, it becomes a currency.

Since people trade it more than using it as a currency, it is more like a speculative asset lately.

Most people I know don't want to know about bitcoin's use cases. They just want to get rich.

That's certainly true, mate. Most people are into crypto to make a lot of money, so Bitcoin's main use is more as a speculative asset than anything else. If people used Bitcoin as a unit of account instead of Fiat, things would've been a lot different than what they are right now. Imagine paying directly in Bitcoin without the need to know how much the coin is worth in terms of Fiat. It would enable a truly-decentralized crypto economy just like Satoshi envisioned. Always remember that 1 Bitcoin equals 1 Bitcoin no matter what. If people truly knew the meaning of crypto/Blockchain tech, they wouldn't been relying on Bitcoin as means for profit. Only Fiat's disappearance will make people use Bitcoin as a currency than all the other way around. But we all know this is very unlikely to happen anytime soon. Just my thoughts Grin
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I would go with the current reality, it has become a speculative asset rather than a currency. Why? you can obviously see the high price volatility, and that is because people are speculating and they love to trade, we cannot deny that, and the more people will hold, the more the price will be volatile.

I can understand that investors just trying to benefit from the big future success of bitcoin, which is "adoption", but as a result, it makes bitcoin more volatile and unpredictable.
As said above, bitcoin is truly speculative asset than a currency for different reasons. The market is more reactive to speculation made by the influencers. This we can't see with the currency. The markets won't react that easy on someone's words. This makes big money being poured in and taken out as very big money. Here the importance and the core for which the innovation is made gets hidden.
One reason is crypto is decentralized and less regulated, so any manipulation is possible and it's very obvious it's happening. Compared to fiat currency, the performance is definitely on how a nation's economy is doing, with bitcoin, we look forward on the future's adoption but even if it's positive, the price does not positively react to it automatically since it's very unpredictable.

Being unpredictable makes it a speculative asset than a currency, it's very simple to understand, why would an ordinary person use bitcoin for transactions when in an instant the value could drop, and it will lose the value of his/her money.
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I just read in a news that ASI president Rich Checkan said CBDCs were concocted in hell by Satan himself. Although, he has a good reason for saying this, it is distinctly obvious that CBDC transactions will be transparent in a way government can know how citizens are depositing and withdraw funds, it will even be worse if compared to fiat in relation to privacy. For privacy reasons, decentralized currencies like Bitcoin evolved to make privacy possible, Bitcoin gives freedom in a way your money (bitcoin) can not be monitored by the government, that void of privacy which could be horrible.

Bitcoin was compared to gold while Bitcoin is said to still be a speculative asset, gold that has been existing for long as a store of value. But Bitcoin adoption is increasing, the institutions that are offering their clients Bitcoin are increasing. Jamie Dimon, the Chief Executive Officer of JPMorgan Chase called Bitcoin a fraud in the past, but JPMorgan Chase are now offering Bitcoin to a range of clients. Although, if Bitcoin is still classified as a speculative asset, the institutions are investing in it because they know it will later certainly be a store of value.

It is said that the central banks are nervous about Bitcoin to be used as a currency but just as a store of value like gold and silver. That if Bitcoin is emerging as a currency, going mainstream and people using it as direct payment, this can still lead to governments trying all possible means to intervene which can be the biggest issue and threat towards Bitcoin adoption. That governments power and influence over their people are their currency, and government will not want to lose the control.

Is Bitcoin still yet a speculative asset or a store of value? I think people will have different opinions about this.
Also bitcoin high transaction fee, is it not related to this? Because the lower the fee the more Bitcoin will fit into the currency category.

The interview was quite interesting: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VUvp9X8UTws&feature=youtu.be
https://www.kitco.com/news/2021-07-27/-Central-bank-digital-currencies-were-concocted-in-hell-by-Satan-himself-Rich-Checkan.html


Do I think all cryptocurrencies will forever be a speculative asset? No. Do I think that Bitcoin itself is currently a speculative asset? A large majority of holders now are currently speculators and it is increasing every day. Bitcoin is very similar to gold in desirability terms, however it has a couple huge advantages - it is extremely liquid and it has a fixed (yet diminishing) supply. As it was first to market, it has captured the attention of almost everyone as the premier cryptocurrency and this will drive it's popularity for at least another few years. After that, we may see more interest developing in other cryptocurrencies which have more original features and also have a much larger supply available, which makes them harder to dominate.
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