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Quote from: Lauda on January 23, 2016, 02:32:56 PM

Quote from: BldSwtTrs on January 23, 2016, 02:28:33 PM

Adapt or perish. That's the way life works. Ask Charles Darwin.

Classic is not the next step, it is a power grab.

The problem is not that some people are in power, the probems begin when there is no possibility to keep in check those in power. Core folks wants their power to be uncontested, calling a fork attempt irresponsible, whereas Classic folks should always welcome challenges to their implementation.

Competition in power is healthy. It makes no sense to say "we should let the power in the hands of those who currently have it because other people want the power and wanting the power is bad".

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Quote from: Lauda on January 23, 2016, 02:32:56 PM

Quote from: BldSwtTrs on January 23, 2016, 02:28:33 PM

Adapt or perish. That's the way life works. Ask Charles Darwin.

Classic is not the next step, it is a power grab.

Quote from: bargainbin on January 23, 2016, 02:28:58 PM

You are the one making an assertion, the onus is on you to back it with some evidence.

Evidence of absence. You don't have a list that proves the overwhelming support for Classic, thus it does not exist.

I never claimed overwhelming support for Classic by businesses. I merely pointed out that they do not care.
here, I'll post it again:

Quote from: bargainbin on January 23, 2016, 02:28:58 PM

People make themselves heard only if and when they care about an issue. When they don't care what happens, they don't say anything -- which is what's happening now. Miners care -- they voiced their opinion. Merchants/exchanges don't care, so no need to compile lists "of every merchant."
Had their multi-million-dollar businesses been threatened by the potentiality of a fork, I'm certain they would have made their concerns known.

Quote from: bargainbin on January 23, 2016, 02:28:58 PM

Miners care -- they voiced their opinion. Merchants/exchanges don't care, so no need to compile lists "of every merchant."

Similarly to when some said they'd back XT until they didn't?

Are you suggesting that they may change their minds? Different topic, but hey, possible :- Especially with folks like Luke Jr. threatening them with fresh PoW.
Cheesy

BlindMayorBitcorn

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Quote from: johnyj on January 23, 2016, 02:19:48 PM

This paranoid atmosphere is healthy Grin

You talking about me??

Lauda

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Quote from: BldSwtTrs on January 23, 2016, 02:28:33 PM

Adapt or perish. That's the way life works. Ask Charles Darwin.

Classic is not the next step, it is a power grab.

Quote from: bargainbin on January 23, 2016, 02:28:58 PM

You are the one making an assertion, the onus is on you to back it with some evidence.

Evidence of absence. You don't have a list that proves the overwhelming support for Classic, thus it does not exist.

Quote from: bargainbin on January 23, 2016, 02:28:58 PM

Miners care -- they voiced their opinion. Merchants/exchanges don't care, so no need to compile lists "of every merchant."

Similarly to when some said they'd back XT until they didn't?

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Quote from: Lauda on January 23, 2016, 02:21:27 PM

Quote from: bargainbin on January 23, 2016, 02:11:06 PM

Can you back this up with a list of merchants/exchanges who will not go with Classic? (links plz)

Do you have a list of every merchant (there are thousands) that will update to Classic in a 30 day time frame? You don't. I can't create that list either. Until someone states that they are willing to switch, it is reasonable to assume that they won't (or won't in time).

You are the one making an assertion, the onus is on you to back it with some evidence.
Had I said "all merchants and users support Classic," asking me for a list would have been justified.
I'll assume you have no evidence to back your claim, and are just FUDding.

People make themselves heard only if and when they care about an issue. When they don't care what happens, they don't say anything -- which is what's happening now. Miners care -- they voiced their opinion. Merchants/exchanges don't care, so no need to compile lists "of every merchant."
Had their multi-million-dollar businesses been threatened by the potentiality of a fork, I'm certain they would have made their concerns known.

BldSwtTrs

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Quote from: Lauda on January 23, 2016, 02:21:27 PM

Quote from: bargainbin on January 23, 2016, 02:11:06 PM

Can you back this up with a list of merchants/exchanges who will not go with Classic? (links plz)

Adapt or perish. That's the way life works. Ask Charles Darwin.

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Quote from: bargainbin on January 23, 2016, 02:11:06 PM

Can you back this up with a list of merchants/exchanges who will not go with Classic? (links plz)

johnyj

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Beyond Imagination

This paranoid atmosphere is healthy Grin

bargainbin

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Quote from: Lauda on January 23, 2016, 02:04:33 PM

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The miners can pull off the hard fork pretty quickly if they want to abandon most merchants, services and users. ...

Can you back this up with a list of merchants/exchanges who will not go with Classic? (links plz)

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Quote from: mayax on January 23, 2016, 08:32:05 AM

Please read the article.

I have. The ignorance here is high especially in the one who wants to do a hard fork in 1 month.

Quote from: mayax on January 23, 2016, 10:11:13 AM

The miners said so. It is NOT my conclusion.

The article said so; title is still somewhat misleading.

Quote from: ABCbits on January 23, 2016, 09:20:37 AM

Maybe miners will switch to Bitcoin Classic, but it won't happen in next 1 or 2 months. Hard fork isn't as easy as you think, it need concensus & other things.
Also, if it happenned, we still have our coins & it still has value because majority users (or miners) already use Bitcoin Classic.

I think Bitcoin Classic is just temporary way to solve block chain size, if we moved to Bitcoin Classic, i'm sure we'll see another hard fork to increase block size in next 10 years.

The miners can pull off the hard fork pretty quickly if they want to abandon most merchants, services and users. Classic is not a solution but rather a power grab. Classic does not have a long term plan nor good developers. Even if it does succeed, this discussion will repeat itself in 2017.

Quote from: mayax on January 23, 2016, 02:01:48 PM

Bitcoin miners will go with Bitcoin Classic. They just don't want to spread panic for now... That's all.

They won't if they have any common sense.

mayax

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Bitcoin miners will go with Bitcoin Classic. They just don't want to spread panic for now... That's all.

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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political

Quote from: mayax on January 23, 2016, 09:32:20 AM

I would rather use PerfectMoney.com

Ok, then use perfectmoney. Nobody is stopping you.

buh-bye.

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Quote from: mayax on January 23, 2016, 08:13:59 AM

Bitcoin core will disappear in 1-2 months. What will happen with your coins? They will have NO value. The miners and exchangers will make the change overnight.

The big miners along with few exchangers (Bitstamp, Coinbase, BTC China, OKcoin = same shit) will switch it to Bitcoin Classic.

BitFury CIO Alex Petrov

""If the Bitcoin Core team doesn’t deliver [a solution] in time, we should force the process and that’s why we’re supporting classic. It’s not the best way, it’s painful, but we should do it.""

"It will be not easy to implement, but we can do it one month. This is why we are supporting Bitcoin Classic."

http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-miners-bitcoin-classic-scaling-debate-evolves/

So, prepare for the worst.

What are you talking about, the average user will just upgrade to the new bitcoin qt and thats it done they wont even care about what happens in the back ground, you absolute arse. Roll Eyes

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Honestly speaking there was news on twitter few days ago about Chinese miners planning to stick with Bitcoin core and it was a top post on the Bitcoin sub reddit. Assuming that this is the case with the majority of the Bitcoin miners, I feel sticking to Bitcoin core makes perfect sense, and also as mentioned by Peter Todd.

mayax

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Quote from: Lituation on January 23, 2016, 10:22:55 AM

I don't care about Bitcoin Classic. Bitcoin Core is already a classic! Call it a different name and try to promote it but we won't buy. I'm sticking to my program, never think of changing it.

you will care when your business will be down once Classic will become a reality. then, it will be too late to do something....

bargainbin

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Quote from: cellard on January 23, 2016, 10:03:20 AM

mayax like some other people has said, change the tittle, this is nothing but speculative FUD.

Educate yourself.

Quote from: bargainbin on January 23, 2016, 10:19:24 AM

Quote from: BillyBobZorton on January 23, 2016, 10:07:14 AM

What kind of moron is still supporting Bitcoin classic?

Lituation

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Free Speech is the most important thing.

I don't care about Bitcoin Classic. Bitcoin Core is already a classic! Call it a different name and try to promote it but we won't buy. I'm sticking to my program, never think of changing it.

mayax

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Quote from: cellard on January 23, 2016, 10:03:20 AM

mayax like some other people has said, change the tittle, this is nothing but speculative FUD.
You don't have conclusive proof of this happening, therefore you aren't doing a good job with such a tittle. Bitcoin Classic will disappear like useless trojan it is, just like XT. The scaling roadmap of the people that actually have talent (Core devs) will continue.

The miners said so. It is NOT my conclusion.

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