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Topic: Bitcoin Forecast, Bitcoin Speculation & Bitcoin Technical Analysis. Up or DOWN? - page 45. (Read 540249 times)

legendary
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reagrding your special short-term update:

Similar to your "Reason b)", I've been suspecting a "conglomerate" of wealthy bitcoin players has come together and is trying to stabilize the price. I think it's been going on for longer than just since the bitcoinica problem, though. I also think the "target range" is being adjusted sometimes. It used to be "$5.0 +/- 0.20" and is now 5.00 to 5.20.

This is wild speculation, of course and this might be totally wrongThe only other explanation I can come up with for the astonishing stability since March would be a herd-effect with traders saying: "oh, ok, so it'll be around $5 now, so I'll just sell slighty above and buy slightly below". If enough money acts like that, it's self-fulfilling.

Of course the market cannot be manipulated in the long run (at least not against its general will: it might be possible to "stabilize" it into a certain trend and I would welcome that).

anyhow, thanks for the update, I think it's spot-on.

Yes, it is also correct that  those stabilization efforts have been going on already before the bitcoinica disaster.

And also yes, it will fail for sure. The market does what it wants, not what a few players want.
donator
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reagrding your special short-term update:

Similar to your "Reason b)", I've been suspecting a "conglomerate" of wealthy bitcoin players has come together and is trying to stabilize the price. I think it's been going on for longer than just since the bitcoinica problem, though. I also think the "target range" is being adjusted sometimes. It used to be "$5.0 +/- 0.20" and is now 5.00 to 5.20.

This is wild speculation, of course and this might be totally wrongThe only other explanation I can come up with for the astonishing stability since March would be a herd-effect with traders saying: "oh, ok, so it'll be around $5 now, so I'll just sell slighty above and buy slightly below". If enough money acts like that, it's self-fulfilling.

Of course the market cannot be manipulated in the long run (at least not against its general will: it might be possible to "stabilize" it into a certain trend and I would welcome that).

anyhow, thanks for the update, I think it's spot-on.
hero member
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The new bitcoin weekly report is out to subscribers. "the calm before the storm"

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If you wear the correct goggles (intersangoGBP in this case), there is no calm:



fx markets in turmoil. If USDX (measures USD against other fiat) reverses (as it might've just started to do a couple of hours ago) and heads back down, bitcoin could go up consequently?

You are right, I also look at BTCEUR which also shows some strength

Clearly bitconica are playing with gox so as to avoid raising the USD price and only buying the cheap GBP / EUR to compensate ?
legendary
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The new bitcoin weekly report is out to subscribers. "the calm before the storm"

End of month is nearing. If anyone is interested in a subscription, just PM me.


If you wear the correct goggles (intersangoGBP in this case), there is no calm:



fx markets in turmoil. If USDX (measures USD against other fiat) reverses (as it might've just started to do a couple of hours ago) and heads back down, bitcoin could go up consequently?

You are right, I also look at BTCEUR which also shows some strength
hero member
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Cash out now or Dec 2012 after reward drop.

SO many decisions Cheesy

The reward drop is already prices in as it is already public knowledge.


Sure. I know better by looking at SolidCon. Price will jump Dec 2012 GUARANTEED.
legendary
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Cash out now or Dec 2012 after reward drop.

SO many decisions Cheesy

The reward drop is already priced in as it is already public knowledge.
hero member
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Cash out now or Dec 2012 after reward drop.

SO many decisions Cheesy
hero member
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Ha; it must be nice to be able to avoid fees because you own the exchange.
donator
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The new bitcoin weekly report is out to subscribers. "the calm before the storm"

End of month is nearing. If anyone is interested in a subscription, just PM me.


If you wear the correct goggles (intersangoGBP in this case), there is no calm:



fx markets in turmoil. If USDX (measures USD against other fiat) reverses (as it might've just started to do a couple of hours ago) and heads back down, bitcoin could go up consequently?

Thanks for pointing out the movement in IntersangoGBP -- I take this to mean those Bitcoinica goons are actually going to make good by their customers...

well, I had the same suspicion... For whatever reason whoever is buying there, I'm now the proud (hopefully temporary) owner of some GBP Wink
hero member
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Shame on everything; regret nothing.
The new bitcoin weekly report is out to subscribers. "the calm before the storm"

End of month is nearing. If anyone is interested in a subscription, just PM me.


If you wear the correct goggles (intersangoGBP in this case), there is no calm:



fx markets in turmoil. If USDX (measures USD against other fiat) reverses (as it might've just started to do a couple of hours ago) and heads back down, bitcoin could go up consequently?

Thanks for pointing out the movement in IntersangoGBP -- I take this to mean those Bitcoinica goons are actually going to make good by their customers...
donator
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Merit: 1019
The new bitcoin weekly report is out to subscribers. "the calm before the storm"

End of month is nearing. If anyone is interested in a subscription, just PM me.


If you wear the correct goggles (intersangoGBP in this case), there is no calm:



fx markets in turmoil. If USDX (measures USD against other fiat) reverses (as it might've just started to do a couple of hours ago) and heads back down, bitcoin could go up consequently?
legendary
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The new bitcoin weekly report is out to subscribers. "the calm before the storm"

End of month is nearing. If anyone is interested in a subscription, just PM me.
hero member
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I already posted this in another thread.
But I think it fits better here.
What do you think about this mtgox chart from today?

Does it actually means anything to the price that there less buy orders then sell orders?


Strap on your seatbelt son, we rally !

Bitcoinica need to buy 18K BTC ... reward drop coming too ! Good days for my stash !
legendary
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Continuing the good discussion here, and not on the bitcoinica thread:

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I also said this can take long, but its not a question of IF only WHEN

I like your technical analysis. But, couldn't this be said about anything?  It's not IF the world will end, it's WHEN.

Yes, this is right. But I can narrow the time scale: We will likely see more volatility in the next 10 trading days that will show >= 10% move(s)

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...up or down? ;-) Can't really afford 5 BTC per month unless I get my 101 back from this formerly beloved trading platform, but even then 5 BTC can be a week's mining income for me - a little much to pay 1/4th income for technical analysis updates.
legendary
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Continuing the good discussion here, and not on the bitcoinica thread:

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I also said this can take long, but its not a question of IF only WHEN

I like your technical analysis. But, couldn't this be said about anything?  It's not IF the world will end, it's WHEN.

Yes, this is right. But I can narrow the time scale: We will likely see more volatility in the next 10 trading days that will show >= 10% move(s)

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legendary
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Have you noticed that prices have spiked a couple of times above 5.20$ but without the needed volume to actually allow for that ?
it seems that there is something strange going on on mtgox .
I wonder if there is some price fixing / fooling going on on purpose. This could be even related to bitcoinica.
Does anyone know if bitcoinica is currently still trading on mtgox and is this outside of the normal order book.
I was not aware that there are still dark orders posible.

Some sh.t is up at gox, yes, but I wouldn't panic. An order of mine at 5.168 wasn't filled when it spiked to 5.18.

I was told in #mtgox that trades had been cancelled (compare bitcoincharts.com to charts on mtgox.com itself to see difference)

I'm not suspecting it to be bitcoinica-related in any way. Afaik there is no dark pool no more on gox. How did you come up with this theory of bitcoinica trading outside the orderbook? Bitcoinica bot has surely stopped trading anyhow.

thanks for shedding light on this on the separate thread.
Even if this is not caused by bitcoinica this needs to be fixed to avoid more damage to the bitcoin economy and public perception.

More professionalism is needed for ALL exchanges, not only bitcoinica, but also MtGOX
donator
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Have you noticed that prices have spiked a couple of times above 5.20$ but without the needed volume to actually allow for that ?
it seems that there is something strange going on on mtgox .
I wonder if there is some price fixing / fooling going on on purpose. This could be even related to bitcoinica.
Does anyone know if bitcoinica is currently still trading on mtgox and is this outside of the normal order book.
I was not aware that there are still dark orders posible.

Some sh.t is up at gox, yes, but I wouldn't panic. An order of mine at 5.168 wasn't filled when it spiked to 5.18.

I was told in #mtgox that trades had been cancelled (compare bitcoincharts.com to charts on mtgox.com itself to see difference)

I'm not suspecting it to be bitcoinica-related in any way. Afaik there is no dark pool no more on gox. How did you come up with this theory of bitcoinica trading outside the orderbook? Bitcoinica bot has surely stopped trading anyhow.
hero member
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I already posted this in another thread.
But I think it fits better here.
What do you think about this mtgox chart from today?

Does it actually means anything to the price that there less buy orders then sell orders?
donator
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This analogy is far-fetched though since you are comparing AAPLes and oranges carrots. Assuming a stock will act like Bitcoin is questionable.
legendary
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rippleFanatic
Have you noticed that prices have spiked a couple of times above 5.20$ but without the needed volume to actually allow for that ?
it seems that there is something strange going on on mtgox .
I wonder if there is some price fixing / fooling going on on purpose. This could be even related to bitcoinica.
Does anyone know if bitcoinica is currently still trading on mtgox and is this outside of the normal order book.
I was not aware that there are still dark orders posible.

order-book engine glitches. Same as the BATS IPO, the Nasdaq quote issues the Friday of the FaceBook IPO, and of course the 2010 "flash crash".
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