Topic: Bitcoin Foundation members are resigning! - page 2. (Read 8370 times)

For me Brock is mostly irrelevant (he's innocent until proven guilty), it's not about a single person it's about the very structure and central aim of TBF that contradicts essential characteristics of bitcoin: decentralized, trustless (in relation to people) and apolitical. It's the entire TBF that is ill-constructed, undemocratic and a gateway for political influence on the bitcoin protocol. Therefore the whole thing must be disbanded.


Proof? Who thinks  that? TBF represents only itself - its board and its members. These members are certainly not anarchists nor revolutionaries but well adapted to societal norms.


An outrageous and impertinent claim. They've enthroned themselves as bitcoin overlords with ZERO legitimacy.


You state obvious facts which never have been disputed and are in fact a counterargument against your defense of TBF.


It was never claimed that regulators would go away. They will try to enforce regulation with or without TBF. But with TBF it will be much easier for them to accomplish their destructive goals because of the central TBF-bootlicker-access-point. And when they have achieved a bit of regulation they want more...

The problem of regulation must be circumvented and made obsolete through the advancement of bitcoin technology (>> enhanced privacy and decentralization).

You can't negotiate with people that have all the power who either don't understand bitcoin, are ignorant, or are actively combating bitcoins promise for the majority. To trust in the word of such people is plain dumb.

But again, look how much confusion there is. Brock was apparently "accused" of something 15 years ago, but there is no evidence or a trial or anything. Do you know something? If you do please call the police. I myself did not vote for him however an accusation is not enough to ask for his seat, which he was elected too. If something had been discovered it would be him leaving the foundation, not me.

People also seem to think the foundation represents anarchists and revolutionaries. In fact it represents bitcoin. Math is not moral or political and there are communists, libertarians, Jihadists, etc. using bitcoin. It is a global phenomenon and includes many people who would disagree with any of us. 
It is self delusion to think doing nothing will make all the regulators go away. There will be more laws the only question is what they will be.

Why complicate the obvious? I think devs know how to post a donation address...


You don't get it. Bitcoins potential stems from the technology behind it. Believing you can do deals with lawmakers in favor of Bitcoin is hopelessly naive.

Instead the one and only focus should be improvement of Bitcoins technology - for example usability, decentralized access and privacy. Bitcoin is a true technological revolution in finance. Such revolutions do not have to ask for permission by whatever crooks currently in charge, they just happen.

An organization such as the TBF where all members must reveal their identities and which tries to serve as a central access point for the ever growing governmental need for "regulation" is a disservice and danger to bitcoin, because all members of this organization (even assuming all adhere to the highest standard of integrity - which obviously isn't the case) can easily be blackmailed to harm bitcoin. - Ever thought about why Satoshi preferred to stay anonymous?

We don't need lobbying for bitcoin. We need government-shielded bitcoin technology from independent developers.

I think at the time when the Bitcoin Foundation was put together there was such a need.  Now I'm unsure all I'm sure of is this is in no way a good thing for Bitcoin.  Surprising how this has already turned out in a short amount of time if you ask me.

Take a look at the Decentralized Union: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-decentralized-union-new-bitcoincrypto-foundation-606463

Who needs that? I do not. That's you who needs it, that's not "our" needs.

The foundation could not be "may prongs" or anything. Your organization is a shame to whoever speaks the bitcoin name around. The ordinary people, include the lawmakers, they read the news. They read about all the factual frauds and other crimes, including pedophilia, your organization with the bitcoin name is associated with. And so, they think we are all like the crooks from your organization.

For what it's worth, here's Brock's response to the claims: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHQuJR80mUY

It is not collapsing. This article is invalid. If you look at the thread, many people have/are leaving TBF. I won't be posting in that thread, but leaving is the main option for me. Enough is enough. You can still find a few ignorant individuals who are ignoring all of this.

yea i hear you, but still, TBF should be aware they're voicing for kinda anarchists-liberals people (bitcoiners) and technology, so they should therefore be careful with their actions because of being under constant scrutiny and pressure.
i mean, that Gox scandal when they still sent noobs to the doomed plateform, the lack of real schedule, plans and reports.. and now that peado being nominated. thats all terrible choices. even if unfounded. its very bad advertising for Bitcoin in general and they should have known better.
How would you want to address govs and layers if it remains shady aspects on your side?
Anyho, keep it up man. im sure not all TBF members are greedy incompetent scums that just happened to be there first

I am. I don't hold a seat or anything. But there needs to be an org to talk to lawmakers and the people who work hard there (different than the celebs) are making a difference at a very high level. People like Patrick Murck, Brian Gross, Elizabeth Plowshay, Jim Harper, Jinyoung Englund, and others.

People here seem to love to play the victim and fight all power. Even when that power is acting on their behalf. I think we are at a critical moment in the fight for our economic future and our bitcoin rights. Banks and other players are making there moves in a sensible organized way. While we bitch at each other and spew ridiculous conspiracy theories. That sort of thing is not going to get you anywhere with regulators.

I am open to other groups or efforts. The foundation could be one of may prongs. But ranting to the quire on a random internet forum produces nothing of value; except the value they provide bank lobbyist. 

 

@rodeoX are you part of TBF?!

Almost. Only WE stand between these things. You and me fellow peer. Hey we should organize a fight! We could start some kind of.... Oh, I don't know... a foundation or something. 

I see the light.  Only the mighty Foundation stands between bitcoin cryptocurrency freedom and Orwellian doom.

I'm sure our overlords in Washington will do a good job coming up with their own laws. Who needs a foundation? I say we stop fighting for our rights and go with whatever reqirements regulators and banking lobbyists come up with.  Oh yes, the banking industry is not going to stop lobbying for their interests. They will dominate the discussion and get whatever they can get away with.
If I were a bank I would re-double my efforts right now and preclude any talk of bitcoin ATMs or selling/buying bitcoin without an expensive trade license. I would also go after your ISP for allowing bitcoin to exist on their network. You know, to keep the terrorists at bay. 
 

that slogan just made them shit load of monayyyyyy

That is naive and short sited.

bitcoin foundation is only a slogan, if they dont do good for bitcoin, they doesn't matter

I like this idea.  We should explore it more.   Maybe a separate thread?  A github?  This is after all an open source community.

This has been my opinion for a while. The developers could at least provide this as an alternative option to paying for Bitcoin Foundation stuff.

A single multi-sig address, with a key from each full time core developer, would be ideal. Then they could come up with the number of minimum number of signatures to spend for themselves, and decide who gets what money and why for themselves. I suspect spending on things like permanent offices and full-time secretaries would get little consensus until they were sitting on a huge war chest.

This exactly is the key point! That's the reason I rejected it from the very beginning.

It's not only about some shady charactors being at its board. It's the structure that makes it dangerous, because it is a centralized gateway for political influence on the bitcoin protocol from within and from outside TBF.
What makes it worse is that the TBF mission goal is to lobby (= bootlick) for bitcoin by embracing "regulation" (= jeopardizing the decentralized nature of bitcoin) to please governmental crooks.

If some kind of "bitcoin foundation" existed it should be anonymous, decentralized and apolitical with the only goal to collect funds for bitcoin protocol development. But for this purpose no foundation is needed. Developers could just post a donation address.