Topic: Bitcoin Foundation receives cease and desist order from California - page 11. (Read 48394 times)
June 24, 2013, 08:19:51 AM
But Bugs just wants... A friend.
June 24, 2013, 08:06:25 AM
Is Peter Vessenes still the head of TBF?
He's the Executive Director, Chairman of the Board, and Treasurer.
Thanks, I never know how frequently these websites are updated. So, he's the one you want to google for info about what's happening.
He did announce that he will be stepping down but AFAIK he hasn't yet.
June 24, 2013, 08:05:20 AM
June 24, 2013, 08:01:39 AM
Reading the letter, it seems they are in direct violation of CA Code 2030. Could you shed some light on this?
Very good question. Especially in relation to the word "advertise".
June 24, 2013, 07:59:46 AM
I am more and more persuaded in fact that Gavin is part of the problem, and that paying him doesn't help. Gavin's seat ought to be occupied by the Linus of Bitcoin... a Brash Dickhead For Life, if you will.
Second this.
Can you imagine Gavin having the balls to say the sort of stuff Linus says* that needs to be said? And no, burning a $1 bill doesn't count.
No, he's too busy working in secret, off the bitcoin-dev mailing list on some sideband "payment protocol" to bootstrap the de-anonymization of bitcoin via the X.509 SSL infrastructure.
That and plastering "bitcoin CORE CORE SUPER-CENTRAL INNER-CORE dev" on everything he touches.
I want Satoshi back.
(*) you know you can trust people who've made it through their 20's and still talk like this when it matters
June 24, 2013, 07:55:46 AM
TBF was licking govt. asses for a long time (e.g.: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/do-we-want-to-work-with-money-regulators-or-keep-bitcoin-unregulated-192924)
Now the ass licked back. Shit happens.
Now the ass licked back. Shit happens.
I doubt this had anything to do with it though, still the irony is striking.
June 24, 2013, 07:47:54 AM
TBF was licking govt. asses for a long time (e.g.: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/do-we-want-to-work-with-money-regulators-or-keep-bitcoin-unregulated-192924)
Now the ass licked back. Shit happens.
Now the ass licked back. Shit happens.
June 24, 2013, 07:34:47 AM
huh I just found out about this and I really don't think it matters much. California is broke and is being made to do this nonsense or is looking for attention and handouts from the bankers IMO.
June 24, 2013, 07:02:09 AM
Is there anything we can do to help? For example, donate to hire law firms?
June 24, 2013, 06:22:16 AM
Let's hope (unmentionable horror occurs) and a better mechanism than TBF for funding Bitcoin testing and development (including Gavin's salary) is devised.
I am more and more persuaded in fact that Gavin is part of the problem, and that paying him doesn't help. Gavin's seat ought to be occupied by the Linus of Bitcoin... a Brash Dickhead For Life, if you will.
June 24, 2013, 06:09:00 AM
June 24, 2013, 05:43:47 AM
The timing of Gavins sabbatical to Australia is priceless.
Safely away coding without distraction. The rest of the foundation can fight this next level of bureaucratical nonsense and free publicity.
Safely away coding without distraction. The rest of the foundation can fight this next level of bureaucratical nonsense and free publicity.
June 24, 2013, 05:32:49 AM
Is Peter Vessenes still the head of TBF?
He's the Executive Director, Chairman of the Board, and Treasurer.
He's also about to be taking a shower while this large fellow with an attitude you couldn't knock down with a hammer keeps whispering in his ear: Oh nancy, Oh nancy.
June 24, 2013, 05:24:43 AM
I would suggest that whoever is actively involved in the Bitcoin Foundation move out of the US.
Nah, they'll just drone 'em.
June 24, 2013, 05:19:28 AM
Feds may shutdown them. I see no impact on bitcoin network at all.
I see a positive impact as a result of noobs no longer thinking bitcoins are issued by THE bitcoin foundation.
June 24, 2013, 05:15:31 AM
This simply shows a misunderstanding of what bitcoin is.
tl;dr: California thinks Bitcoin Foundation "runs bitcoin."
tl;dr: California thinks Bitcoin Foundation "runs bitcoin."
This simply shows a misunderstanding of how power works.
tl;dr: Jeff fails to understand that "running bitcoin" is irrelevant to what's about to happen.
June 24, 2013, 05:08:33 AM
the US government only has control over US dollars..
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Didn't you get the memo? Federal Reserve is 100 years old now. US gov orgs gave up control of the dollar long ago.
June 24, 2013, 02:57:33 AM
Quite Obviously Cali, executive is wrong
Goto court, defense,
[1] it's not recognized by any govt as FIAT,
[2] not issued by any recognised sovereign govt
eg, does giving monopoly money to each other constitute fiat?
What the gov' types fail to understand is that people are willing to work for something, BTC and value it independent of any central issuing authority.
Thus they face a paradoxical dilema, to recognize BTC would legitimize the people the holders of btc as quasi sovereign, and send the price to the "moon" to use troll box vernacular.
to not makes it very hard to make laws that capture it.
How do you write a law that says,
'you can not use Crypto's as money and we don't legally recognize Crypto's as money'
the logic of this is delicious. BTC/CC is really going obliterate much of illogicality in any law / gov system over time.
also does opencoin/XRP get any of these type of threats....I suspect not as it seems to be in the maw of the right money
Goto court, defense,
[1] it's not recognized by any govt as FIAT,
[2] not issued by any recognised sovereign govt
eg, does giving monopoly money to each other constitute fiat?
What the gov' types fail to understand is that people are willing to work for something, BTC and value it independent of any central issuing authority.
Thus they face a paradoxical dilema, to recognize BTC would legitimize the people the holders of btc as quasi sovereign, and send the price to the "moon" to use troll box vernacular.
to not makes it very hard to make laws that capture it.
How do you write a law that says,
'you can not use Crypto's as money and we don't legally recognize Crypto's as money'
the logic of this is delicious. BTC/CC is really going obliterate much of illogicality in any law / gov system over time.
also does opencoin/XRP get any of these type of threats....I suspect not as it seems to be in the maw of the right money
June 24, 2013, 02:28:21 AM
I thought that the entire purpose of TBF was to paint a big red target on themselves so they could divert the attention of gov towards them and away from more important things. As someone else said above "everything is going acording to plan".
Bitcoin gets the free publicity, more people look into it, etc.
Great job BF. Now if we just get a bunch more gov threats we could be in for a nice price bump.
Isn't this exactly the battle we all know is coming? This is just the beginning. Huge gov boondogles never go down with out a fight. Never.
Bitcoin gets the free publicity, more people look into it, etc.
Great job BF. Now if we just get a bunch more gov threats we could be in for a nice price bump.
Isn't this exactly the battle we all know is coming? This is just the beginning. Huge gov boondogles never go down with out a fight. Never.
June 24, 2013, 02:23:31 AM
I never thought it would be a solo effort 
Good then
Let's hope (I still can't believe what I am writing) this statist action is carried out quickly and brings as a non-intended effect new quality for Bitcoin and Bitcoiners, and a better mechanism than TBF for funding Bitcoin testing and development (including Gavin's salary) is devised.
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