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Well I think bitcoin will never end because it was well known and useful to everyone so that it will never gone through out the years that will come. Bitcoin helps a lot of poor people specially on the third world countries they give an employment on them that is why they can contribute on the society that they were belong and because of that many people surpass their own dilemmas because of bitcoin. Bitcoin will never lose because many people have a benefit on it and it is some how a solution on a economy that was devastated and because of that it will continue to progress.
As i can see for the next few years, bitcoin will dominate the economy. It will be the number one crypto currency sooner. This has reached the highest exchange value at present so anticipated that it will still go higher and higher as time passes by. This has been so amazing since this has motivated a lot of user. We strive harder in order to invest in the right time and eventually we get bigger in return. That is absolutely very favorable to us since we benefit a lot with bitcoin. I can also see that we would have cashless society for the next twenty years. We ni longer have to bring bulky amount of money instead we would just bring our gadget with wallet then transact everything through bitcoin.
If I will base on the previous performance of bitcoin especially this year, definitely bitcoin has a bright future. Nowadays, its value bubbles up for just short period of time that really record breaking performance. If there will be more country regonized and legalized bitcoin for sure thats value is not just like that amount expecting it to increase. Also, many speculations that bitcoin will burst and totally go down its value but it doesn't happened at all infact its value still increasing and gaining more profit to those investors and users. Well, obviously as the bitcoin increasing there will also some bad speculations so that the value will decrease and grabbing a good opportunity to those users and investors to invest and vise versa which is also depends the supply and demands in the society. I believed that bitcoin will continue and overcome the different obstacles that may encountered in the future.
Hi!
I'm a bit confused by all the talk about how bitcoin futures will affect bitcoin price.
As far as I understand, a futures contract is a binding agreement between 2 parties where mr A will buy an asset from mr B at a beforehand specified price and time.
The asset can be any commodity like oil etc, and are used both by producers as hedge and by speculators.
It is often possible to settle the agreement directly in cash, without buying/selling the actual underlying asset. I suspect most speculators prefer this option.
So, how will bitcoin futures work?
Will they require buying/selling bitcoin itself or will they just be settled in fiat cash?
I suspect these futures will primarily be used by speculators who probably will prefer to just settle them in cash.
So why would such a contract affect the bitcoin price at all?
I'm new so thanks for taking your time and explaing this to me
IF the bitcoin price will increase up my future with bitcoin is the have a computer shop and then my future have a house and car for my family and then i will should work properly for this. I'm a bit confused by all the talk about how bitcoin futures will affect bitcoin price.
As far as I understand, a futures contract is a binding agreement between 2 parties where mr A will buy an asset from mr B at a beforehand specified price and time.
The asset can be any commodity like oil etc, and are used both by producers as hedge and by speculators.
It is often possible to settle the agreement directly in cash, without buying/selling the actual underlying asset. I suspect most speculators prefer this option.
So, how will bitcoin futures work?
Will they require buying/selling bitcoin itself or will they just be settled in fiat cash?
I suspect these futures will primarily be used by speculators who probably will prefer to just settle them in cash.
So why would such a contract affect the bitcoin price at all?
I'm new so thanks for taking your time and explaing this to me
As far as I know, bitcoin futures does not affect bitcoin price directly. When you buy buy futures, you can go short or long on bitcoin futures, and by that you expect the price to go down or up respectively, in order for you to have a profit (but you are not buying or selling bitcoin).
The "problem" with futures, is that you can now win money if the bitcoin price goes down. What everyone is saying" is that there is a great opportunity to buy bitcoin before the futures goes live, and by doing this you are making it's price go up (specially if you are a whale, like the Wall Street guys are). When futures go live, those guys can just short bitcoin, and at the same time sell the bitcoins they've bought before the futures went live. Since they have plenty of money, they might be able to have some influence on the bitcoin price, so by selling coins, they will be winning on the short they did on futures, and will cash out some profit out of the bitcoin sale as well.
After this they can go long on bitcoin futures, and at the same time buy bitcoin that is now at a shorter price, and again win on both sides. Of course this is not that linear, and the market will still be unpredictable, but this is a possible set up made by Wall Street whales, and this might be a way for the futures market to influence bitcoin price.
this post explain alot of thing to me about BTC futureThe "problem" with futures, is that you can now win money if the bitcoin price goes down. What everyone is saying" is that there is a great opportunity to buy bitcoin before the futures goes live, and by doing this you are making it's price go up (specially if you are a whale, like the Wall Street guys are). When futures go live, those guys can just short bitcoin, and at the same time sell the bitcoins they've bought before the futures went live. Since they have plenty of money, they might be able to have some influence on the bitcoin price, so by selling coins, they will be winning on the short they did on futures, and will cash out some profit out of the bitcoin sale as well.
After this they can go long on bitcoin futures, and at the same time buy bitcoin that is now at a shorter price, and again win on both sides. Of course this is not that linear, and the market will still be unpredictable, but this is a possible set up made by Wall Street whales, and this might be a way for the futures market to influence bitcoin price.
if that's what happen as long as legal and this method is already used since old time in japan, we just can watch and learn from it
if we can make profit from it, let's take that opportunity
just like people said, ride the waves and also becareful not to drown
As far as I know, bitcoin futures does not affect bitcoin price directly. When you buy buy futures, you can go short or long on bitcoin futures, and by that you expect the price to go down or up respectively, in order for you to have a profit (but you are not buying or selling bitcoin).
The "problem" with futures, is that you can now win money if the bitcoin price goes down. What everyone is saying" is that there is a great opportunity to buy bitcoin before the futures goes live, and by doing this you are making it's price go up (specially if you are a whale, like the Wall Street guys are). When futures go live, those guys can just short bitcoin, and at the same time sell the bitcoins they've bought before the futures went live. Since they have plenty of money, they might be able to have some influence on the bitcoin price, so by selling coins, they will be winning on the short they did on futures, and will cash out some profit out of the bitcoin sale as well.
After this they can go long on bitcoin futures, and at the same time buy bitcoin that is now at a shorter price, and again win on both sides. Of course this is not that linear, and the market will still be unpredictable, but this is a possible set up made by Wall Street whales, and this might be a way for the futures market to influence bitcoin price.
The "problem" with futures, is that you can now win money if the bitcoin price goes down. What everyone is saying" is that there is a great opportunity to buy bitcoin before the futures goes live, and by doing this you are making it's price go up (specially if you are a whale, like the Wall Street guys are). When futures go live, those guys can just short bitcoin, and at the same time sell the bitcoins they've bought before the futures went live. Since they have plenty of money, they might be able to have some influence on the bitcoin price, so by selling coins, they will be winning on the short they did on futures, and will cash out some profit out of the bitcoin sale as well.
After this they can go long on bitcoin futures, and at the same time buy bitcoin that is now at a shorter price, and again win on both sides. Of course this is not that linear, and the market will still be unpredictable, but this is a possible set up made by Wall Street whales, and this might be a way for the futures market to influence bitcoin price.
Thank you for a clear answer
I suspected this was the case, ie that futures trading itself has no impact on the bitcoin price, but rather adds an incentive to manipulate the bitcoin price.
However, is it not just as likely for the whales to go long & manipulate the price upwards as it is downwards?
Maybe but Wall Street whales aren't going to invest a lot of money into bitcoin simply because it's too volatile. If many of them work together they could do anything they want with bitcoin's price but that would be market manipulation which is illegal.
How is such a thing proven? has there been any cases where people have been found guilty?
Because I feel in order to not bet against (& screw up) each other A LOT of whales have to come together and bet in the same direction.
Well yea, plenty of cases. I feel that it would be much more obvious with bitcoin since the volume isn't really that high.
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/trader-sentenced-in-spoofing-case-involving-market-manipulation
It's not easy to get caught but it's not impossible either.
As we can see now, futures played positive role so far in Bitcoin's rate.
As i can see for the next few years, bitcoin will dominate the economy. It will be the number one crypto currency sooner. This has reached the highest exchange value at present so anticipated that it will still go higher and higher as time passes by. This has been so amazing since this has motivated a lot of user. We strive harder in order to invest in the right time and eventually we get bigger in return. That is absolutely very favorable to us since we benefit a lot with bitcoin. I can also see that we would have cashless society for the next twenty years. We ni longer have to bring bulky amount of money instead we would just bring our gadget with wallet then transact everything through bitcoin.
Bitcoin future will be bright as speculators keep on speculating the price of bitcoin will keep on growing high. More investors will invest in bitcoin and government of many countries will adopt bitcoin as their secondary money, so to that bitcoin will sustain it market value and it exchange rate will skyrocketed to as high as $50000 in the next few years to come.
As I gaining knowledge about bitcoin I realized on how amazed the bitcoin has. It brings everyone to ahead one step higher to there way of living as bitcoin helps them to earn. I would say the bitcoin future will be brighter as brither of the sun that still increasing its value from time to time unexpectedly and I believed that it will continue in the future.
If the current demand for it keeps increasing then why not it will also keep growing in value on the market and the future for the long term investors are getting richer and richer. I believe in bitcoin's future and it has been a dream of mine since i got to know bitcoin to keep pilling them up until i make so much on it to be able to sell back for profit.
Bitcoin future will be bright as speculators keep on speculating the price of bitcoin will keep on growing high. More investors will invest in bitcoin and government of many countries will adopt bitcoin as their secondary money, so to that bitcoin will sustain it market value and it exchange rate will skyrocketed to as high as $50000 in the next few years to come.
As I gaining knowledge about bitcoin I realized on how amazed the bitcoin has. It brings everyone to ahead one step higher to there way of living as bitcoin helps them to earn. I would say the bitcoin future will be brighter as brither of the sun that still increasing its value from time to time unexpectedly and I believed that it will continue in the future.
Bitcoin has good future. Now, many more people join bitcoin because with bitcoin many people get reward. So it can diminish unemployed person
Bitcoin has a great future as it still increase as of this moment, though there might a little fall since it was been part of the system. As far as I remember the value of bitcoin last year is around 600USD which become much more value compare on todays value and still increasing nearly 20,000USD. Well for sure by next as my speculation, it will surpass on that possible amount that can earn much more money as many investors want to earn as well as the people in the community. Bitcoin is really habe a good and bright future that can have a profitable today and in the future that makes everyone of us happy and comfortable.
We really need to trade it in bitcoin to earn at least even a small investment. Bitcoin is a bug trading company demanding work for people who want to believe it .bitcoin also has a great investment in who wants to join ,we are raising it and giving it a premium to everyone who wants to juggle it and it also helps people who need my job to boost your beliefs here and the bitcoin .we work with him .good for investment also and other way to live here bitcoin..
This is the problem with the financial world and the current society actually. We are using old systems on new ones, but really it should have not been this way. Futures are a concept of the old and bitcoins are the new generation. The old is trying to control the new with they bitcoin futures. What does this entail for bitcoins? Well more volatility. Now we don't have to just look at the price of bitcoins while it is trading, we also need to check it with futures. For sure those old bold dudes at the wall street will find new creative ways to screw over the world like what they all did back in the financial crisis. Tough luck for everybody, I guess.
It is a very interesting question. I want to know too. Futures will be good for Bitcoin and it will grow up or it will just kill it? 
As far as I know, bitcoin futures does not affect bitcoin price directly. When you buy buy futures, you can go short or long on bitcoin futures, and by that you expect the price to go down or up respectively, in order for you to have a profit (but you are not buying or selling bitcoin).
The "problem" with futures, is that you can now win money if the bitcoin price goes down. What everyone is saying" is that there is a great opportunity to buy bitcoin before the futures goes live, and by doing this you are making it's price go up (specially if you are a whale, like the Wall Street guys are). When futures go live, those guys can just short bitcoin, and at the same time sell the bitcoins they've bought before the futures went live. Since they have plenty of money, they might be able to have some influence on the bitcoin price, so by selling coins, they will be winning on the short they did on futures, and will cash out some profit out of the bitcoin sale as well.
After this they can go long on bitcoin futures, and at the same time buy bitcoin that is now at a shorter price, and again win on both sides. Of course this is not that linear, and the market will still be unpredictable, but this is a possible set up made by Wall Street whales, and this might be a way for the futures market to influence bitcoin price.
The "problem" with futures, is that you can now win money if the bitcoin price goes down. What everyone is saying" is that there is a great opportunity to buy bitcoin before the futures goes live, and by doing this you are making it's price go up (specially if you are a whale, like the Wall Street guys are). When futures go live, those guys can just short bitcoin, and at the same time sell the bitcoins they've bought before the futures went live. Since they have plenty of money, they might be able to have some influence on the bitcoin price, so by selling coins, they will be winning on the short they did on futures, and will cash out some profit out of the bitcoin sale as well.
After this they can go long on bitcoin futures, and at the same time buy bitcoin that is now at a shorter price, and again win on both sides. Of course this is not that linear, and the market will still be unpredictable, but this is a possible set up made by Wall Street whales, and this might be a way for the futures market to influence bitcoin price.
Thank you for a clear answer
I suspected this was the case, ie that futures trading itself has no impact on the bitcoin price, but rather adds an incentive to manipulate the bitcoin price.
However, is it not just as likely for the whales to go long & manipulate the price upwards as it is downwards?
Maybe but Wall Street whales aren't going to invest a lot of money into bitcoin simply because it's too volatile. If many of them work together they could do anything they want with bitcoin's price but that would be market manipulation which is illegal.
How is such a thing proven? has there been any cases where people have been found guilty?
Because I feel in order to not bet against (& screw up) each other A LOT of whales have to come together and bet in the same direction.
The volatility of Bitcoin makes the future quite unpredictable. For instance, four months ago nobody would believe Bitcoin being at this current price. And again, as days go by, bitcoin is gaining more attention and popularity with more persons coming in to the system.
Overall, I think the future is cool for Bitcoin as we are going to see a more stable price.
Overall, I think the future is cool for Bitcoin as we are going to see a more stable price.
I don't think so that bitcoin futures will have a big effect on bitcoin prices. I think that's just a new trading facility that will either contain only bitcoin or another crypto. The difference is, here you just buy the position, and don't get the actual bitcoin. In an exchange, you can earn a profit by selling coins whose prices are rising. but in bitcoin futures, you might be able to open 2 positions, ie buy positions, and sell positions. So you can also gain profit if the price is down. If in bitcoin futures are given multiplier/leverage functions, then this will be more like a gambling site.
It is really very much difficult thing to comment on the future of bitcoin. There will be number of things which will change in the coming days. If bitcoin gets legal, then this entire thing will changed as the concept of decentralization will no longer exist. In addition to this, with the increase in the demand of bitcoin the market price of bitcoin will also get effected. Future will bring lot of good things for us. As far as I know, bitcoin futures does not affect bitcoin price directly. When you buy buy futures, you can go short or long on bitcoin futures, and by that you expect the price to go down or up respectively, in order for you to have a profit (but you are not buying or selling bitcoin).
The "problem" with futures, is that you can now win money if the bitcoin price goes down. What everyone is saying" is that there is a great opportunity to buy bitcoin before the futures goes live, and by doing this you are making it's price go up (specially if you are a whale, like the Wall Street guys are). When futures go live, those guys can just short bitcoin, and at the same time sell the bitcoins they've bought before the futures went live. Since they have plenty of money, they might be able to have some influence on the bitcoin price, so by selling coins, they will be winning on the short they did on futures, and will cash out some profit out of the bitcoin sale as well.
After this they can go long on bitcoin futures, and at the same time buy bitcoin that is now at a shorter price, and again win on both sides. Of course this is not that linear, and the market will still be unpredictable, but this is a possible set up made by Wall Street whales, and this might be a way for the futures market to influence bitcoin price.
The "problem" with futures, is that you can now win money if the bitcoin price goes down. What everyone is saying" is that there is a great opportunity to buy bitcoin before the futures goes live, and by doing this you are making it's price go up (specially if you are a whale, like the Wall Street guys are). When futures go live, those guys can just short bitcoin, and at the same time sell the bitcoins they've bought before the futures went live. Since they have plenty of money, they might be able to have some influence on the bitcoin price, so by selling coins, they will be winning on the short they did on futures, and will cash out some profit out of the bitcoin sale as well.
After this they can go long on bitcoin futures, and at the same time buy bitcoin that is now at a shorter price, and again win on both sides. Of course this is not that linear, and the market will still be unpredictable, but this is a possible set up made by Wall Street whales, and this might be a way for the futures market to influence bitcoin price.
Maybe but Wall Street whales aren't going to invest a lot of money into bitcoin simply because it's too volatile. If many of them work together they could do anything they want with bitcoin's price but that would be market manipulation which is illegal.
I think we agree if bitcoin investment is the best right now among some other investments like stocks, gold, and property,and many of whom have gained success of their investments with bitcoin, and with its current popularity bitcoin has potential to continue to grow and develop rapidly in the next year and the best opportunity to be invested in it.
Many people who already understand about bitcoin have even joined bitcoin, because they know that they will eventually get something of considerable profit
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As far as I know, bitcoin futures does not affect bitcoin price directly. When you buy buy futures, you can go short or long on bitcoin futures, and by that you expect the price to go down or up respectively, in order for you to have a profit (but you are not buying or selling bitcoin).
The "problem" with futures, is that you can now win money if the bitcoin price goes down. What everyone is saying" is that there is a great opportunity to buy bitcoin before the futures goes live, and by doing this you are making it's price go up (specially if you are a whale, like the Wall Street guys are). When futures go live, those guys can just short bitcoin, and at the same time sell the bitcoins they've bought before the futures went live. Since they have plenty of money, they might be able to have some influence on the bitcoin price, so by selling coins, they will be winning on the short they did on futures, and will cash out some profit out of the bitcoin sale as well.
After this they can go long on bitcoin futures, and at the same time buy bitcoin that is now at a shorter price, and again win on both sides. Of course this is not that linear, and the market will still be unpredictable, but this is a possible set up made by Wall Street whales, and this might be a way for the futures market to influence bitcoin price.
The "problem" with futures, is that you can now win money if the bitcoin price goes down. What everyone is saying" is that there is a great opportunity to buy bitcoin before the futures goes live, and by doing this you are making it's price go up (specially if you are a whale, like the Wall Street guys are). When futures go live, those guys can just short bitcoin, and at the same time sell the bitcoins they've bought before the futures went live. Since they have plenty of money, they might be able to have some influence on the bitcoin price, so by selling coins, they will be winning on the short they did on futures, and will cash out some profit out of the bitcoin sale as well.
After this they can go long on bitcoin futures, and at the same time buy bitcoin that is now at a shorter price, and again win on both sides. Of course this is not that linear, and the market will still be unpredictable, but this is a possible set up made by Wall Street whales, and this might be a way for the futures market to influence bitcoin price.
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