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Topic: Bitcoin is environmental menace! BTC miners are carbon terrorists! - page 2. (Read 1321 times)

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No problem, give us supply from hydro electric power and other natural sources we are fine with it unless and until the power is not steady. Since school days I’m learning that we are getting affected with the green house effect, I’m wondering how come they have not done anything since last 15 years! In fact they increased car production, rocket launches, number of flights increased and guess what everyone has air conditioners in their homes from developing countries as well. They are direct miners of CO2 and fumigations. Come on this is really question of for how long and what’s the alternate solutions. (Also I thought china does not mine anymore after their ban)
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OP is a funny man who is only entertaining ideas and opinions that are against Bitcoin. Now, he should be aware that if people will be rejecting Bitcoin for any reason they are rejecting the whole of cryptocurrency and BSV is still part of this industry which means it would be rejected too. In fact, when BTC is falling down, there is more chance that the value of BSV is doing the same thing as it is not detached from the whole industry. Of course, OP will all be silent or probably be looking for another reason of attack once the crypto winter is over...and it would be over based on the history of Bitcoin. My next question is: How come BSV has not overtaken BTC yet in many areas if it is really superior to the latter?
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Thank God bitcoin collapsing and stop polluting the planet

Long live the new world order

Era of bitcoin was gone
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Bitcoin should be stopped

Environmantal impact of BTC is growing in geometric progression

Wake up! Blind fools!
there's no point in you screaming about this FUD because those who are already in love with bitcoin will find it hard to hate it.  based on the weather forecast agency report in my country, my country has a fairly high level of pollution and none of it is caused by Bitcoin (though there are many bitcoin miners here)
Judging from the environmental impact caused by mining BTC is a very strange thing, because for some countries and especially countries in Asia really consider this as a joke smart people as a whole. because for countries in Asia, the nature that exists can still be called a paradise to enjoy the air, and consider BTC miners as a natural thing. even for gold miners it is blatantly a bad deed and can have dire consequences for countries that do it greedily without regard for healthy nature.
So, if the media continues to release stupid debates like this, then I consider it something that has ulterior motives because of its free nature.
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If you are a "CO2 kills plants" believer...  Then yup; I am a very bad terrorist!  Whoehoe Smiley

Just like the crazy fact that lots of people here are Pro-Ukraine Neo-Nazi lovers, instead of seeing the real problem over there...


But who cares, there are to many dumb people living on this planet these days.
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I often hear the massive Fuds like the expression, even Haters will continue to look for reasons to say that Bitcoin is not worthy of appreciated, but a strong community makes things more creative, carbon pollution of the world is certainly from the industry I'm sure if all world pollution in data then bicoin Mining is no more than 0.00000001%.
but we cannot allow the consumption of energy using fossil fuels to continue to be so high because this will accelerate the energy crisis in the future and as the best solution we must switch to renewable energy which is of course environmentally friendly so that mining is no longer the reason for many countries and some people to narrow the progress of bitcoin
although it's difficult but I'm sure bitcoin will be able to pass this challenge
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BTC continues to be more secure than any other PoW coin.  For that reason, it will outlast the multitude of cheap imitations out there.
Yeah, it is not about PoW being great that makes Bitcoin the most secure and consistent chain, it is bitcoin that is doing it itself. There are other PoW systems out there which are not as strong or secure as bitcoin, which is a proof that PoW itself is not the reason for it, if it was then other chains would have been as secure as well. We are goign to see a PoS with ETH and see how they will do, if they do great then it will be great for them, if they do terrible then it would be another proof that PoS is not the solution.

There is nothing wrong with asking to get more greener, we just haven't found a way to do that just yet, as soon as we find a method that is as secure and more green then we would probably move there.
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Bitcoin should be stopped

Environmantal impact of BTC is growing in geometric progression

Wake up! Blind fools!
there's no point in you screaming about this FUD because those who are already in love with bitcoin will find it hard to hate it.  based on the weather forecast agency report in my country, my country has a fairly high level of pollution and none of it is caused by Bitcoin (though there are many bitcoin miners here)
legendary
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Why Is Bitcoin Bad For the Environment? It Spends A Lot of Energy (and Elon Musk Knows It)

Using electricity is not bad for the environment. Burning carbon to generate electricity is the problem.
legendary
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Leave no FUD unchallenged
BTC has no future with that agressive mining

It's the complete opposite of that, actually.  Weak and insecure chains get compromised.  They are the ones with no future.  

BTC continues to be more secure than any other PoW coin.  For that reason, it will outlast the multitude of cheap imitations out there.


Bitcoin should be stopped
 

It can't be.  Market forces determine everything.  No one is choosing for Bitcoin to have a higher hashrate than any other coin.  That's just something that naturally occurs when a coin is actually worth mining.  Undesirable shitcoins can claim to be "green", but that's merely a side effect of being worthless trash that no one can be bothered mining for.


BSV is cheap

"of inferior quality or worth"

No arguments there.  Exceedingly cheap.   Roll Eyes

Sometimes in life, you get exactly what you pay for.

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Why Is Bitcoin Bad For the Environment? It Spends A Lot of Energy (and Elon Musk Knows It)
https://youmatter.world/en/bitcoin-bad-environment-impact
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Funny to read from a fan of pedobitcoin about the harms of the original bitcoin! For some reason globalists, when talking about carbon dioxide emissions, forget to mention erupting volcanoes, which emit more CO2 than all of humanity. So it seems to me that this topic is best not brought up at all. I take this opportunity to say hello to the real Satoshi through the author of this thread.
Hey toddlers. BTC has no future with that agressive mining

Volcanoes? You forgot one thing, volcanoes - it is a natural formation. BTC - is a fully anthropogenic factor
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Which comes heavier, the environment or our currency's security? But it doesn't mean that Bitcoin's only option to be able to work and be of use to everyone is to destroy the environment. It could keep it's secure design while minimizing its environmental impact. Bitcoin is no special case when it comes to environmentally-destructive technologies. But like the other technologies, Bitcoin is also starting to transform into an environment-friendly currency.
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Bitcoin is getting even dirtier

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Bitcoin is a pollution-creating mess. Despite efforts to make the energy-intensive mining process friendlier to the environment, it has grown significantly more reliant on fossil fuels over the past year.
China's cryptocurrency mining ban in the spring of 2021 significantly worsened Bitcoin's environmental impact, according to a new research on mining published in Joule. It is because Bitcoin miners were tapping into a significant amount of Chinese hydropower which suddenly evaporated when China made mining illegal, said Alex de Vries, one of the study's authors and a researcher at the School of Business and Economics at the Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam.
So miners took their business elsewhere, including countries using significantly dirtier energy than China. Electricity sources powering the Bitcoin network were just 25.1% renewable in August 2021, nearly 17 percentage points lower than the 2020 average.

Mining Bitcoin each year produces as much pollution as Greece created in 2019, the study found. A single Bitcoin transaction results in the same carbon footprint as a traveler flying from New York to Amsterdam.

"After China banned Bitcoin mining, everyone was expecting it to become more green, but we are somewhat surprisingly seeing the opposite happening." said de Vries. "A lot of the hydropower these miners got previously in China has now been replaced with natural gas from the US."
Bitcoin mining is still booming in the United States. According to the study, many of the American Bitcoin mines are powered by natural gas and coal. Kentucky now offers subsidies to crypto miners, looking to attract business for the state's coal industry.
Kazakhstan has also become a destination for Bitcoin miners. According to the study, the country's electricity grid is reliant on hard coal, which is even more polluting than the coal used in China.
The hydropower behind China's Bitcoin mines was often held up by cryptocurrency advocates to rebut criticism about the technology's environmental impact.

In May, Coinbase — one of the largest cryptocurrency marketplaces — published a "fact check" citing China's hydroelectric plants in trying to undermine the idea Bitcoin contributed to climate change.
Coinbase did not respond to CNN's questions on whether it stood by its fact check in light of China's cryptocurrency crackdown, but said in a statement it believes "the industry is innovating at an encouraging pace to solve these challenges... Community-led change is possible and crypto can be part of the fight against climate change if we come together to solve these challenges."

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/26/investing/bitcoin-mining-renewable-energy/index.html
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Bitcoin should be stopped

Environmantal impact of BTC is growing in geometric progression

Wake up! Blind fools!
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Biden to Order Federal Agencies to Study Cryptocurrency Impacts

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On March 9, President Biden will sign a long-awaited executive order instructing federal agencies to study various impacts of cryptocurrency use. The order will task regulators with reviewing risks to consumers, investors, and the economy at large. Following the study period, which will be ongoing for several months, federal agencies will prepare reports based on their findings. The White House will then use those findings in any new regulatory actions in the future.

The cryptocurrency market has grown to about $1.75 trillion in value in the span of just over a decade. Roughly 40 million adult Americans have participated in the digital currency market in some way, making this no longer a space for niche investors.

  • President Biden's March 9 executive order will task federal agencies with considering the impact of cryptocurrencies on U.S. sanctions, the environment, and other areas of concern.
  • Federal agencies will report findings to the White House in the coming months, with additional regulatory measures potentially to follow.
  • The order aims to support innovation while stemming risks to the individual investor, to businesses, and to the broader economy.
  • The order will also formally launch an investigation into the possible launch of a Federal Reserve-backed U.S. digital currency.

Concerns About Sanctions, Environmental Impact
In a Treasury Department statement issued ahead of the executive order, Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said that the order will facilitate responsible innovation in the cryptocurrency space and will also address risks. President Biden's administration is expected to study how digital currencies may negatively affect U.S. sanctions and anti-money laundering efforts. These issues have become especially prominent in recent weeks as the U.S. has imposed sanctions on Russia following the latter's invasion of Ukraine.

The order will also launch a study of the environmental and climate impacts of cryptocurrency mining. The mining process is notoriously energy-intensive in many cases.

https://www.investopedia.com/biden-to-order-federal-agencies-to-study-crypto-impacts-5221587
legendary
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European Union is on Track to Ban Bitcoin

Here's the latest: "EU Parliament Monetary Committee to Vote on MiCA Next Week. Wording that would have banned proof-of-work cryptos like bitcoin has been removed."

"An independent topic of proof-of-work is no longer provided in the MiCA," Berger told CoinDesk, confirming his promise to remove language he had previously called a "de facto" ban on Bitcoin.

https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2022/03/07/eu-parliament-monetary-committee-to-vote-on-mica-next-week/

Bitcoin mining is turning green.
That ridiculous. Hashrate of BTC is growing. BTC is not green. Greedy BTC miners are carbon terrorists! BTC is environmental menace.

I hope we could find a totally objective and comprehensive data on how green or not Bitcoin mining is. So far, anti-Bitcoin could cite data that would serve their purpose while pro-Bitcoin could also cite data that would serve theirs.

On the other hand, pro-Bitcoin has been arguing that its energy consumption is somehow justified because that's the way to make sure transactions are secured and are impossible to tamper. In the same manner that tumble drying, which has a higher carbon emission than Bitcoin, is justified because it's the most efficient way to dry clothes. Grin


https://twitter.com/DocumentingBTC/status/1500919244229390342/photo/1
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Bitcoin SV is greener only because it is a dead coin.
THIS IS NOT TRUE

BSV is not dead coin, BSV is cheap

look at our metastore, we have many active BSV-based apps
legendary
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Bitcoin mining is turning green.
That ridiculous. Hashrate of BTC is growing. BTC is not green. Greedy BTC miners are carbon terrorists!
BTC is environmental menace.

I totally agree, but ...

  • The solution is to force Bitcoin miners (and everyone else) to stop using fossil fuels to generate the electricity that they use.
  • Bitcoin's high energy usage is due entirely to its incredible success. Bitcoin SV is greener only because it is a dead coin.

European Union is on Track to Ban Bitcoin

Yeah, that didn't last long.

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Bitcoin mining is turning green.
That ridiculous. Hashrate of BTC is growing. BTC is not green. Greedy BTC miners are carbon terrorists!
BTC is environmental menace.



https://www.blockchain.com/en/charts/hash-rate
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