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Topic: Bitcoin is environmental menace! BTC miners are carbon terrorists! - page 4. (Read 1321 times)

legendary
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Leave no FUD unchallenged
Boring.  Same tired old crap on repeat.

Read the following topics and understand how minor of an issue it really is:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/debunking-the-bitcoin-is-an-environmental-disaster-argument-5325350
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5385679


BSV is green.

I'd have said it's more of a shit-brown.
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hero member
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I see things like this and I ask if it's the only one out there. Secondly, bitcoin is just a decade and a year or 2 years old and suddenly, it feels the like the environmental menace just started. I wonder where crude refining has been and other activities that results in the production of hydrocarbon.

Anyway, bitcoin shouldn't be taking the front line of this, it's just pure hatred on the system and the fact that, government and individuals fronting this aren't at the end point of it all. Should they be, I'm sure all that would be forgotten.
sr. member
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Funny to read from a fan of pedobitcoin about the harms of the original bitcoin! For some reason globalists, when talking about carbon dioxide emissions, forget to mention erupting volcanoes, which emit more CO2 than all of humanity. So it seems to me that this topic is best not brought up at all. I take this opportunity to say hello to the real Satoshi through the author of this thread.
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No one is saying that it's not an issue for the environment, we are all aware of that. One of the big factors for its longevity is that it addresses its impact on the environment and in a growing increase in environmental awareness, it's something that it has to tackle sometime in the future. Maybe it could go the Norway route where it's investing in the environment after it got it's money from harming the environment with fossil fuels. It's a strange situation.
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The threat to the environment has existed since we (all people in developed and developing countries) switched to an industrial way of producing something.
The cars emits a lot pollution as well, did we stop using them and the trucks? No !
there isnt an industry on Earth which doesnt have a massive carbon footprint.
Do you really think that you will be allowed to continue to pollute the environment?

At the same time right now we don't really have a system that can tackle the financial probelms that everyone is facing right now
New system coming soon


Bitcoin's energy consumption has been debated to death here on BCT.
Then few people attached importance to this, but now it is an official agenda approved by Klaus Schwab himself.

BSV is green. BTC is dangerous for nature. BSV ecosystem & the new world order will be on the same side. The rest of the non-green cryptocurrency will be outlawed
hero member
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On the contrary alot of people seems to castigate against what they don't admire and in this case, is the commendations coming from bitcoin enthusiast or those that are against it, naturally man tends to develop a kind of pleasure to what they don't like, bitcoin already is contributing to solving world inefficient energy wasted through the use of a renewable energy while providing another solution to environmental degradation, and with or without bitcoin energy consumption the total amount of waste energy globally remains constant and bitcoin has not come to constitute more loss to this but rather solve part of the menace through renewable energy.
legendary
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Ah here we go, another Copy/Paste post about the environment and Bitcoin.

Does the OP expect us all to switch our interest to Bitcoin SV?

I would love to know how the OP thinks about mining for Lithium to fuel new
electric vehicles, what about the energy used there? I'll bet the OP doesnt have
the motivation to search, copy and past all that data because it doesnt
attack Bitcoin mining.

Bitcoin's energy consumption has been debated to death here on BCT. I dont read
any of these threads anymore, there isnt an industry on Earth which doesnt have
a massive carbon footprint.


hero member
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The cars emits a lot pollution as well, did we stop using them and the trucks? No ! Most of the things that we use have some probelms concerned with the environment and we have to understand that the developed nations and other industrial countries are not making it any easier on the environment. We do know that the green mining is just a small portion, But we can hope with projects like El Salvador for more people to take it on. At the same time right now we don't really have a system that can tackle the financial probelms that everyone is facing right now and thus needs bitcoins in every sense, it's a necessity for the moment, plus soon they will stop mining coins and the mining energy would be more concerned with taking transactions back and forth, the small miners will disappear because of all the competition but at the end of the day, the big companies would have to follow green rules and thus make things more sustainable inevitably.
sr. member
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The threat to the environment has existed since we (all people in developed and developing countries) switched to an industrial way of producing something. As soon as this happened, the inevitable process of chasing profits began, and against the backdrop of ever-increasing competition in the global economy, there are no prerequisites to hope that this process will be stopped or slowed down. And, of course, all this has been happening so long ago that the person who invented bitcoin (whoever he or they may be) had not yet been born. So all this is nonsense.
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Globally, Bitcoin’s power consumption has dire implications for climate change and achieving the goals of the Paris Accord because it translates into an estimated 22 to 22.9 million metric tons of CO2 emissions each year—equivalent to the CO2 emissions from the energy use of 2.6 to 2.7 billion homes for one year. One study warned that Bitcoin could push global warming beyond 2°C. Another estimated that bitcoin mining in China alone could generate 130 million metric tons of CO2 by 2024. With more mining moving to the U.S. and other countries, however, this amount could grow even larger unless more renewable energy is used.

https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2021/09/20/bitcoins-impacts-on-climate-and-the-environment

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Bitcoin isn’t getting greener: four environmental myths about cryptocurrency debunked

Myth one: bitcoin mining is becoming more efficient

Bitcoin’s carbon emissions are not the network’s only dirty secret. In 2011, competing miners could win the bitcoin bingo with an average laptop. Today, viable operations require investing in warehouses filled with specialised hardware known as Application Specific Integrated Circuits (ASIC). As the majority of mining costs come from energy to run these units, bitcoin miners are always careful to use the cheapest. To avoid wasting energy, the global arms race for bitcoin requires ASICs to be replaced for newer and more efficient models every year.

ASICs can’t be easily repurposed for general computing. Redundant units create around 11,500 tonnes of hazardous electronic waste each year, much of which is dumped on cities in the global south.

Myth two: bitcoin encourages investment in clean energy

Chinese hydroelectric power plants are popular spots for bitcoin mining. While China cracks down on the industry, 61% of bitcoin mining is powered by fossil fuels.

Cheap coal in Australia has found new buyers through bitcoin, as formerly redundant coal mines are reopened to power mining. Miners are willing to move anywhere for residual energy, increasing the profitability of natural gas in Siberia and supporting oil drilling in Texas.

In Virunga National Park in the Democratic Republic of Congo, bitcoin miners are getting special access to cheap, clean energy produced by an EU-funded hydroelectric plant. The plant was designed to help locals find livelihoods beyond poaching and stop them resorting to scouring parkland for wood fuel. Bitcoin miners employ armies of computer servers, not the ex-combatants the plant could help.

Myth three: bitcoin replaces the need for gold mining

Gold mining is one of the world’s most destructive industries. Bitcoin was originally intended as a digital replacement for gold that was also a deflationary means of exchange, capable of rendering wasteful banks and regulators redundant.

But for many institutional investors, gold is being bought to hedge against bitcoin’s volatility. Tesla poured US$1.5 billion into bitcoin, but also declared an interest in gold. While bitcoin is currently experiencing all-time price highs, gold hit one of its own in 2020.

Nor has bitcoin displaced traditional finance institutions. Major banks are vying to get very rich indeed on the back of it.

Myth four: corporate players will boost market for ‘green bitcoin’

Some argue that institutional investors can turn bitcoin green. Yves Bennaim, the founder of Swiss cryptocurrency think tank 2B4CH, claims that as investors like Tesla push prices up, “there will be more incentive to make investments in renewable sources of energy” for bitcoin mining. But miners will always use the cheapest option to maximise returns. It’s not possible to allocate additional rewards to miners using renewables, because it’s difficult to know exactly which bitcoin miners use renewables.

Unfortunately, there is currently no such thing as a “green bitcoin”.

Not all cryptocurrencies are as energy-intensive as bitcoin, though. There are alternatives to proof-of-work. The second biggest blockchain project, ethereum, is switching to proof-of-stake, a new system which is supposed to remove the need for data miners and perpetual hardware updates.

https://theconversation.com/bitcoin-isnt-getting-greener-four-environmental-myths-about-cryptocurrency-debunked-155329
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