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January 28, 2014, 12:02:05 AM
F9FOF...
Exactly what "action" are you referring to then?

they did more then the above to look into these guys...and they are the ones who after they found out it was a scam helped to shut down the host site in LA and also they (and I) we're involved in finding out the connection to www.butterflyiabs.com....



That is not true, the connection to www.butterflyiabs.com was not made by you nor any of the brothers. That can be ascertained by earlier posts.
Could you verify what you post please. First you say the scammers rented part of the building. Now you again misstate the facts. Your vouch is losing credibility very very fast.

what mistake in facts...look at the bloody address they posted...silly me i assume for a scam of this scope you needed at least a way to pick up mail to your 'legit' multi-million dollar scam....

as far as the www.butterflyiabs.com thing...i also tripped over that so as to someone else posting such....
that could be true i did not look at past posts..when we found out about the scam we looked too..and at least me (searing) tripped over the same thing in the ip address past www names on same IP

anyway that is all i know on all this running about that nite...looking at stuff AFTER THE FACT we were sure it was a scam

you can make your own conclusions....i'm not evil genius enough to run a conspiracy of swiching a dead goldfish for  a small childs goldfish that has died

just telling folks what we did as in previous posts better minds then mine will find out more in this

Searing

p.s. it is kinda cool however to be 'accused' of somehow losing crediblity and being part of a master mind criminal enterprise..my buddy here is on the floor in stiches



nobody is accusing you of being part of a master mind criminal enterprise...but thinking that in this type of scam they would actually rent a physical factory to collect mail as you say is very very silly...perhaps as silly as buying from these scammers.
On another note, don't continually pat yourself in the back and your "buddy" implying that it was you that stopped this from going further. Had it not been for Augusto and some of the others that DID THE ONLY REAL INVESTIGATIVE WORK , your "buddy" and his "brother" would still be pumping this scam, no doubt, as they tried to refute each and every posting pointing out that this was a scam until the heat was too much,...people that actually have read the thread from the beginning know what went on, so don't try to change history for people that have not read the thread from the beginning. 
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January 27, 2014, 11:30:27 PM
OK so what I don't get is how there can be so many smart people who are able to mass wealth from Bitcoin and with the first pretty and shinny new wagon that comes by jump on it so fast. Funny thing is it only took you less then two days to figure out it was a scam. I may not have cutting edge miners but I buy from who has shipped. 4 TH of antminers and Avalon. and yes one 600 GH KNC.
took me five seconds to figure out it was a scam. I didn't realize others wouldn't believe me.

well for superman it was kryptonite ...for some people it is flashy miners....

we all have our kryptonite

In my case it would be a hot 19 yr old stripper saying she likes middle aged men with bitcoin (ah what a way to get scammed)

Searing


Well I hope everyone the best. Just buy a Neptune . Slow to ship but at least you know they are coming. OR http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/prospero-x-3.html

I have only bought KNC never from blackarrow but I bet they come out before KNC
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Clueless!
January 27, 2014, 11:26:15 PM
OK so what I don't get is how there can be so many smart people who are able to mass wealth from Bitcoin and with the first pretty and shinny new wagon that comes by jump on it so fast. Funny thing is it only took you less then two days to figure out it was a scam. I may not have cutting edge miners but I buy from who has shipped. 4 TH of antminers and Avalon. and yes one 600 GH KNC.
took me five seconds to figure out it was a scam. I didn't realize others wouldn't believe me.

well for superman it was kryptonite ...for some people it is flashy miners....

we all have our kryptonite

In my case it would be a hot 19 yr old stripper saying she likes middle aged men with bitcoin (ah what a way to get scammed)

Searing
sr. member
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January 27, 2014, 11:22:12 PM
OK so what I don't get is how there can be so many smart people who are able to mass wealth from Bitcoin and with the first pretty and shinny new wagon that comes by jump on it so fast. Funny thing is it only took you less then two days to figure out it was a scam. I may not have cutting edge miners but I buy from who has shipped. 4 TH of antminers and Avalon. and yes one 600 GH KNC.
took me five seconds to figure out it was a scam. I didn't realize others wouldn't believe me.
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January 27, 2014, 11:21:06 PM
OK so what I don't get is how there can be so many smart people who are able to mass wealth from Bitcoin and with the first pretty and shinny new wagon that comes by jump on it so fast. Funny thing is it only took you less then two days to figure out it was a scam. I may not have cutting edge miners but I buy from who has shipped. 4 TH of antminers and Avalon. and yes one 600 GH KNC.
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Clueless!
January 27, 2014, 11:03:02 PM
so this ended as badass scam? how much total did they make lol

er there is an address for them in the thread (I'm not on the computer i bookmarked it to)

hopefully someone else will read our posts and repost it


or just go back a page or two

last i looked yesterday it was 144 BTC could have been more but complaining got the host site to pull it

otherwise i think they would have gotten a flood of BTC..due to the fact ..i would imagine (if was www.ctsminer.com)
my next move would be to post the 'legit' people who paid in BTC to attract even more fish..the whole how many units..
your place in line how many are left etc

(hmmm... crap i guess i could become a criminal matermind)

anyway that and the combo of this thread etc would have been my next step

if they would have got that far .they would have really sucked us out of BTC

enough legit people like phoenix1969 and others jumping on the train they may have gotten me too

Searing
legendary
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the grandpa of cryptos
January 27, 2014, 10:57:00 PM
so this ended as badass scam? how much total did they make lol
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Clueless!
January 27, 2014, 10:50:59 PM
It is not unusual that even experienced miners and forum members are taking great risks at times by sending money to companies as soon as possible in order to be first simply because that's the only chance they'll get at making a profit, for all ASIC mining is a loss game by design thanks to this self perpetuating phenomenon.

yeah my only solution to the above ...besides being as skittish as a deer in headlights..is for myself ONLY FIAT ie $$$ are paid for coin or equipment...I WILL only pay BTC if I have the funds in $$$ to buy the BTC and then the equipment or whatever...and I'm holding it all in paper wallets asap going into a safe deposit box....w/instructions etc should i get hit by a truck ...this is either gonna work well...or blow up....so I'm in it for the long haul....

in my own mind losses are then justified as an investment..ie treat BTC as a stock..if you think the stock is going to go up you don't sell and buy more via equip or speculation on such ... BTC as such ..if it all goes boom...well you took $$$ and in your own mind bought a stock that went boom

to take BTC i've mined or bought to speculate beyond that (in equipment or gh cloud mining or whatever)

is just plain too scary

I can live with the loss if BTC goes boom....or I mess up and send my BTC to the wrong wallet and make some guy in sudan very happy or whatever.....as long as I treat it as an investment of $$$ on return in the future...buy speculating that acculated BTC on future growth in minng equip or whatever..ie i run for the hills asap

so there are mistakes I can accept and mistakes that would freak me out in hindsight (alas bfl order last april)

it is enough for me just to bet on BTC beyond that ...well....we also serve BTC who  hold and quiver/skulk/stay to the underbrush in a gerbil like fashion

Searing
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Clueless!
January 27, 2014, 10:40:39 PM
Why would you send 44 BTC to a company thats not proven, that is just beyond insane

heh.....why did i give $$$ 8k to BFL last april? and they said i'd get my stuff in may 2014 and still ..(forced to upgrade to monarch due to by the time i got the 65mm stuff it would be a brick) do not have anything?...and from past performance will likely not make ROI and still be a brick?..in that BFL is always 4 months or more late?

flashy www pages....called them...email contacts.....delusion ...the glowing news articles on BFL...self or otherwise is pretty easy with bitcoin

for all we know ..the 80% of the economists who say BTC is a ponzi scheme could be right? we could all be sitting around next year going 'oops'....


i ask myself this often about BFL

(why did i go for the 'hot asic pics' when I should have invested all my $$$ in KNC with 'line drawings'....)

but the problem with the asic mnfg and pre-order is ...you have a 1 out of 5 chance of being correct and getting ROI back at best...at least that is my take on the last year..the other point you better be first in line cause everyone is late....easy to jump the gun

that and hindsight is 20/20

(ponders bfl again ...kicks doorframe)


Searing

legendary
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LIR DEV
January 27, 2014, 10:38:17 PM
While my brother was on the chat having the plug pulled, I was saving & snipping before everything disappeared. I saved every page of the website, and a copy of my transaction invoice pages, and zipped them up into a nice little folder, and have posted it on dropbox to aid in investigation. heres the link:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/qd08jjglb1ga17l/CTS%20website%20copy.zip
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January 27, 2014, 10:32:38 PM
Easy now. I would hardly call them masterminds. They picked the low hanging fruit for a quick score. Smart, clever, resourceful yes but not masterminds. Smiley
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Clueless!
January 27, 2014, 10:31:32 PM
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Clueless!
January 27, 2014, 10:22:56 PM
F9FOF...
Exactly what "action" are you referring to then?

they did more then the above to look into these guys...and they are the ones who after they found out it was a scam helped to shut down the host site in LA and also they (and I) we're involved in finding out the connection to www.butterflyiabs.com....



That is not true, the connection to www.butterflyiabs.com was not made by you nor any of the brothers. That can be ascertained by earlier posts.
Could you verify what you post please. First you say the scammers rented part of the building. Now you again misstate the facts. Your vouch is losing credibility very very fast.

what mistake in facts...look at the bloody address they posted...silly me i assume for a scam of this scope you needed at least a way to pick up mail to your 'legit' multi-million dollar scam....

as far as the www.butterflyiabs.com thing...i also tripped over that so as to someone else posting such....
that could be true i did not look at past posts..when we found out about the scam we looked too..and at least me (searing) tripped over the same thing in the ip address past www names on same IP

anyway that is all i know on all this running about that nite...looking at stuff AFTER THE FACT we were sure it was a scam

you can make your own conclusions....i'm not evil genius enough to run a conspiracy of swiching a dead goldfish for  a small childs goldfish that has died

just telling folks what we did as in previous posts better minds then mine will find out more in this

Searing

p.s. it is kinda cool however to be 'accused' of somehow losing crediblity and being part of a master mind criminal enterprise..my buddy here is on the floor in stiches

legendary
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LIR DEV
January 27, 2014, 10:11:50 PM
If we had let them continue until the AM hours in Europe, that "Avalanche" may have been a reality, been even more disastrous, which is why we had to act so fast getting the "plug pulled".
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January 27, 2014, 10:01:14 PM
It is not unusual that even experienced miners and forum members are taking great risks at times by sending money to companies as soon as possible in order to be first simply because that's the only chance they'll get at making a profit, for all ASIC mining is a loss game by design thanks to this self perpetuating phenomenon.

That's the  most accurate post on the entire forum. The only way to make money with ASICs is to build ASICs and even that is really risky.
or have all the pre-order people go broke /risk shy and stop the avalanche of pre-orders
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January 27, 2014, 09:47:17 PM
It is not unusual that even experienced miners and forum members are taking great risks at times by sending money to companies as soon as possible in order to be first simply because that's the only chance they'll get at making a profit, for all ASIC mining is a loss game by design thanks to this self perpetuating phenomenon.

That's the  most accurate post on the entire forum. The only way to make money with ASICs is to build ASICs and even that is really risky.
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January 27, 2014, 09:42:21 PM
Perhaps we should concentrate on caching the scammers, so we don't have to fill the thread with posts that are just slowing us down by accusing the victoms of being the perpetrators and other idiotic comments.

My brother and I made a bad judgement call by not waiting to call CMS on Monday to get 100% confirmation.  We were also warned by many others that thought it was a scam. Some of you pointed and laughed. Maybe we needed some if that humble pie. However, I ask that you now please either help or get out of the way.

Between working on tracking the scammers and following this thread, it has become a full time job.  If you don't have something helpfull to offer, please please keep it to yourself.

I sincerely appreciate all of the help we have received so far, even from those who warned us.  

People are entitled to their opinion. Your the one that thought this was real without any real investigation, and now you are telling people to shut up or help you? That is not very intelligent of you.
legendary
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LIR DEV
January 27, 2014, 09:39:16 PM
Exactly ckolivas...  

I hereby am offering a 50% reward for recovery of my bitcoins.
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Village Idiot
January 27, 2014, 09:38:41 PM
Why don't you two post pictures with today's paper so we can get after the real scumbags, if they aren't you?  This is the third time I've asked.  Your ignoring that request is very suspicious.

Dumbfuck twatwaffle. Ignoring.
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January 27, 2014, 08:39:35 PM
Gamer67....Mauiflipper said he got a reply from observer...  I didn't get the indication he was of any help.
last we talked a couple hours ago, he was working on getting info to interpool

I see, well he has probably invested a few hours into this as it is on his own. I did see you mention some time ago that you would be willing to pay someone to help you recover something. Maybe he might be more inclined to assist if he felt he was being compensated for his time. Without him or someone like him who can help you analyze the chain you won't have any hope of getting any info from Sushi. Just a thought.
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