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Quote from: 3meek on October 13, 2020, 05:22:01 AM

Try to explain to your dad about need to register on localbitcoins to exchange bitcoins for fiat... Or even more so about the fact that you need to register on the forum to send money to someone you don't know! Grin

Exchange of cryptocurrency for fiat is convenient for those who understand and know how to use it, in particular, you and me. But it is still far from mass application.

What you are talking about is not a problem of bitcoin, but rather an uncertain situation with bitcoin regulation. Bitcoin as an independent currency should not necessarily be exchanged for fiat, it can be used as it is. So, improvements in user interfaces should encourage users to stay inside the bitcoin network as much as possible, users of bitcoin should be always eager to make transactions in a completely peer-to-peer manner. Even if it comes to fiat on/off ramps. Advanced bitcoin users tend to be self-sovereign, to rely on no one. If they want to convert their bitcoins into fiat, they will rather choose an effective approach in which no bank is participating. I would say, make P2P platforms easier to use for average Joe and we are fine, no regulations are needed.

No, this is a problem with the whole infrastructure... I know what you're talking about, that 1 BTC=1 BTC... But still, in this world so far, everything is measured in fiat currencies, which by the way also exchange among themselves!

I have an example ...
My lonely uncle Arseniy wants to buy a premium account on Pornhub, and from a friend he heard that he can do it more privately with bitcoin, but he doesn't have it! How can he easily buy them?

I am not talking about cryptoanarchists manifestos. I am talking about ordinary users (teachers, cab drivers, salespeople, housewives...) from whom Bitcoin is still very far away...

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What do you mean by friendly user?Bitcoin already adopted of a teenager since the beginning and has been earned million dollars last 2017 so how come that you are saying this words?
also Blockchain in some universities has been a course so this means it is been in the youngsters now.

instead of asking here,why not Help Bitcoin by asking people you know to try and invest in this market?

for that you are doing something good for the community since you said that you are already experienced here.

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Let's look at the past:

2020:

people are much more intelligent than we think, anyone who has any interest in bitcoin will work hard to understand bitcoin. many people use social networks, so if they are able to learn about social networks and spend hours on social networks, then they are also able to learn about bitcoin. The problem is at KYC when buying bitcoin. many people do not have their own home and live in their parents' house, how will KYC buy bitcoin if to make KYC it is necessary to deliver a TV bill, water or electricity in the name of the person who is registered in the exchange? it is more complicated to buy bitcoin than to learn about bitcoin

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Quote from: 3meek on October 13, 2020, 05:22:01 AM

Try to explain to your dad about need to register on localbitcoins to exchange bitcoins for fiat... Or even more so about the fact that you need to register on the forum to send money to someone you don't know! Grin

Exchange of cryptocurrency for fiat is convenient for those who understand and know how to use it, in particular, you and me. But it is still far from mass application.

What you are talking about is not a problem of bitcoin, but rather an uncertain situation with bitcoin regulation. Bitcoin as an independent currency should not necessarily be exchanged for fiat, it can be used as it is. So, improvements in user interfaces should encourage users to stay inside the bitcoin network as much as possible, users of bitcoin should be always eager to make transactions in a completely peer-to-peer manner. Even if it comes to fiat on/off ramps. Advanced bitcoin users tend to be self-sovereign, to rely on no one. If they want to convert their bitcoins into fiat, they will rather choose an effective approach in which no bank is participating. I would say, make P2P platforms easier to use for average Joe and we are fine, no regulations are needed.

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Quote from: worldtraveller321 on October 12, 2020, 09:31:54 AM

Bitcoin Not User Friendly Yet

Hello everyone. For all of us who are very pro Bitcoin and other crypto.
We all look to the day that more people use it and accept it as daily use.

However we are far from that. One thing that I am finding is Bitcoin is still not user friendly enough.
Many people even who are young like 25 and under and even over 25 etc. Are not tech knowledge or financial educated enough to understand.

I am thinking that even the apps out there are still confusing for people to use.
Sure many people may own a mobile phone but many do not understand how they work.

Therefore many people do not understand Bitcoin and seems too complicated still.

What are 5 things you think are needed to make Bitcoin more easy for people to use.

More less they can use and move Bitcoin without really being mindful of what they are doing in a transaction.

Thoughts

Maybe bitcoin is not getting user friendly or beginner friendly because if you have no perseverance as a businessman/woman then you are just going to waste yourtime with it and it will only make you spend money for nothing because bitcoin is not a playground where anyone can enter since it is very complicated and you have to be a better trader or holder if you want to survive. Every businessman/woman has a characteristics of having a long patience.

That is exactly my thought If don't persevere and learn how to use bitcoin wholeheartedly, you may absolutely be discouraged on how to use it due to some technicality involved in it however with dedication and willingness to learn one will able to surmount those challenges more so It is easier if a mentor can practically put a newbie through all the basic knowledge required so as to able to navigate all the user interface particurly when using App

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Quote from: ololajulo on October 13, 2020, 04:43:07 AM

The factors I could have considered is the slow transaction and volatility, bitcoin transaction has improve over the years with speed of transaction, faster than 4 years ago with increase number of transaction daily. The volatility is an advantage when its going up and the most attractive feature of the asset, we only need to learn how take the advantage of volatility

The slow transaction can be cover by the fee that we need to increase for a bit, so the transaction process will not be slow to confirmed by the network. So far, I don't have a problem with the transaction because I increase for some satoshi before I send the amount, and that makes me have to confirm in less than an hour. But if you don't want to increase the fee, you don't have to do that.

Yes, volatility is one of the advantages of bitcoin that we can use to make a profit. And if people can learn how to make a profit from that, I am sure they will know how to make money from bitcoin. I think bitcoin is user-friendly or not will depend on each people on how they learn bitcoin. If they want to learn, they will know bitcoin, which will help them use it without having a problem.

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Quote from: AjithBtc on October 13, 2020, 04:28:24 AM

Quote from: 3meek on October 13, 2020, 03:12:42 AM

The only thing that bitcoin lacks for its convenient use is easy conversion to fiat and vice versa, excluding exchangers and huge fees! Everything else, in my opinion, has long been user friendly! Now everyone uses mobile banks... It's just as easy for everyone to install a bitcoin wallet...

Conversion of bitcoin to fiat and vice versa has been made easier with the continued development of different services. I find localbitcoins to do the service in exchange for a small fee. Apart from this we can see more services offered exchanging to cash and buying bitcoin on our forum. This services were mostly for PayPal and other digital payments.

Maybe it hasn't turned to be user friendly same as that we use traditional fiat, but the advancement have made people spend from their wallets just scanning the QR code of the bitcoin address. In day to day life things were getting better and convenient/user-friendly with time.

Try to explain to your dad about need to register on localbitcoins to exchange bitcoins for fiat... Or even more so about the fact that you need to register on the forum to send money to someone you don't know! Grin

Exchange of cryptocurrency for fiat is convenient for those who understand and know how to use it, in particular, you and me. But it is still far from mass application.

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Quote from: worldtraveller321 on October 12, 2020, 09:31:54 AM

Bitcoin Not User Friendly Yet

What are 5 things you think are needed to make Bitcoin more easy for people to use.

Thoughts

I expect the 5 factors to be discussed, It doesn't give the right insight to the opening message. Bitcoin had grown to a the leading, reliable, portable and secure asset in the world, which makes it incomparable . The factors I could have considered is the slow transaction and volatility, bitcoin transaction has improve over the years with speed of transaction, faster than 4 years ago with increase number of transaction daily. The volatility is an advantage when its going up and the most attractive feature of the asset, we only need to learn how take the advantage of volatility

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Quote from: 3meek on October 13, 2020, 03:12:42 AM

The only thing that bitcoin lacks for its convenient use is easy conversion to fiat and vice versa, excluding exchangers and huge fees! Everything else, in my opinion, has long been user friendly! Now everyone uses mobile banks... It's just as easy for everyone to install a bitcoin wallet...

Conversion of bitcoin to fiat and vice versa has been made easier with the continued development of different services. I find localbitcoins to do the service in exchange for a small fee. Apart from this we can see more services offered exchanging to cash and buying bitcoin on our forum. This services were mostly for PayPal and other digital payments.

Maybe it hasn't turned to be user friendly same as that we use traditional fiat, but the advancement have made people spend from their wallets just scanning the QR code of the bitcoin address. In day to day life things were getting better and convenient/user-friendly with time.

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The only thing that bitcoin lacks for its convenient use is easy conversion to fiat and vice versa, excluding exchangers and huge fees! Everything else, in my opinion, has long been user friendly! Now everyone uses mobile banks... It's just as easy for everyone to install a bitcoin wallet...

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Quote from: worldtraveller321 on October 12, 2020, 09:31:54 AM

Bitcoin Not User Friendly Yet

Hello everyone. For all of us who are very pro Bitcoin and other crypto.
We all look to the day that more people use it and accept it as daily use.

However we are far from that. One thing that I am finding is Bitcoin is still not user friendly enough.
Many people even who are young like 25 and under and even over 25 etc. Are not tech knowledge or financial educated enough to understand.

I am thinking that even the apps out there are still confusing for people to use.
Sure many people may own a mobile phone but many do not understand how they work.

Therefore many people do not understand Bitcoin and seems too complicated still.

What are 5 things you think are needed to make Bitcoin more easy for people to use.

More less they can use and move Bitcoin without really being mindful of what they are doing in a transaction.

Thoughts

Not friendly enough in terms of what? You don't have to know how bitcoin and blockchain works to use it as long as you know the complete basics. Learning the the basics probably doesn't even take more than 30 minutes. You don't have to be a techy guy to understand how to use bitcoin. And people who are young that are having hard time to understand what bitcoin is, I guess they aren't even trying. If they know how to make online transactions using paypal or anyother service, its going to be a piece of cake for them to make transaction using bitcoin.

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Quote from: worldtraveller321 on October 12, 2020, 09:31:54 AM

I am thinking that even the apps out there are still confusing for people to use.
Sure many people may own a mobile phone but many do not understand how they work.

I take a few points from your question.

Actually people if they use android phones and the like, it is very easy if they want to learn and learn about Bitcoin, especially in this forum you and also other people who do not understand the use of Bitcoin, all information can be found here, the important thing is they want to read and learn it.

For example: this guide is for those who cannot understand how Bitcoin works via mobile.

Topic: [General] Bitcoin Wallets - Which, what, why?

Quote from: worldtraveller321 on October 12, 2020, 09:31:54 AM

What are 5 things you think are needed to make Bitcoin more easy for people to use.

And this question at least has a purpose with this one: Topic: BitCoin Is Too Complicated for Average People!, maybe, 50%, the answer is in that topic, answering about the simplicity of Bitcoin.

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It is true that bitcoin is not user-friendly yet, I mean it still seems complicated to laymans. The use on everyday basis is so inconveniently difficult for only those who haven't given much thought to even why bitcoin was actually created. They don't need it, they don't understand why they should use it instead of "convinient" credit/debit cards. That's the main problem. In order to "want" bitcoin, you have to comprehend its usefulness first. The other problem of bitcoin, the reason why its developers aren't focused on user interface improvements is because bitcoin is still far from technical excellence, there are many problems in bitcoin that need to be solved to be completely sure that the time to attract users by shiny, flashy interfaces has come. Security (perhaps privacy) of a decentralized system goes before interfaces. After all, what is the point of building interfaces when the system itself is not perfectly polished.

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Quote from: worldtraveller321 on October 12, 2020, 09:31:54 AM

Bitcoin Not User Friendly Yet

I am thinking that even the apps out there are still confusing for people to use.
Sure many people may own a mobile phone but many do not understand how they work.

Yeah actually i am one of those,i have a High Performance Mobile but don't really understand everything about the apps or the features because what important to me is i can use this in my daily base needs.

Quote from: worldtraveller321 on October 12, 2020, 09:31:54 AM

Therefore many people do not understand Bitcoin and seems too complicated still.

What are 5 things you think are needed to make Bitcoin more easy for people to use.

More less they can use and move Bitcoin without really being mindful of what they are doing in a transaction.

Thoughts

The main thing that Bitcoin need to be more easy to people?is the idea that this will be accepted of their own country so the Bitcoin and also altcoin will be promoted normally and will be studied and learn of each people.

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It won't be the first time I've said that Bitcoin's not yet as easy to use as it should be, and I don't know the compromise for some of the things central to the idea of Bitcoin like keeping your own private keys (really, it's not easy, explaining it for the first time to people, so it's a whole mindset thing in the end).

But a couple of things I think would really make things easy, based on the complaints I hear a lot: fees. Make it dumbfire to pay a fee. If you need to ask the user, ask them how long they would like the fee to confirm in. approx 1 day? ASAP? And then make it so they never overpay a fee.

Second, a way to allow the client to check the sent address is the intended one. Forced QR scan could be one on some, but surely another way to do this? Can't count the number of times I've heard people cry over wrong sent addresses. It's of course solvable by asking to double and triple check but usually too late by the time you get to tell them.

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Quote from: NotATether on October 13, 2020, 12:53:05 AM

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Electrum isn't that user-friendly tho - at least not the desktop version of it. A newbie-friendly wallet means not having many very important functions. Most of the confusion comes from stuff like the choice of having lower/higher fees, multiple inputs/outputs in received/sent txs etc. We aren't used to controlling everything about our transactions, because banks do it for us.

It just can't be both newbie-friendly and keep a very basic and intuitive UI while having all the functions a wallet should have. The best thing one can do is probably create a wallet that has those kind of tips you get when you first set up a new smartphone.

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Bitcoin isn't user-friendly because there are no wallet apps that can be trusted. This excludes an entire class of mobile users from using bitcoin. We do have Electrum for Android, but what can I use on my iPhone 6s for example? I don't trust BlueWallet enough, much less the closed-source alternatives.

Electrum is a trusted wallet, and one of the things I always wanted to do is to make an iOS port of Electrum, but I'm at so heavy odds that this is just wishful thinking. Take for example the IDE. Without a Mac I could do XCode in a hackintosh VM and then upload the bundle to a third-party service that tests it on a cloud iPhone, but I'm not in a financial position to justify paying the $200/year developer fee (by credit card) just to list it on the App Store. And you can't simply sideload these apps on an iPhone because you have to reinstall them every week.

So it's a matter of who is able to take control of the mobile app development.

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Quote from: mikeauerbach on October 12, 2020, 11:53:05 PM

Bitcoin isn't easy in use for most people, but simplifying it isn't the solution. We should educate people about Bitcoin, so they will be able to understand and use it.

If they don't want to learn about bitcoin and don't have a passion for knowing a new thing, we can't do anything because that will depend on themselves. But we can inform people about bitcoin and explain why bitcoin can be a solution to be used for the payment system, a source of income, or an investment. The rest will be up to those people.

Young people keep busy playing with their social media, but I am sure some are open-minded with something new and make them curious. Young people are trying to know more about bitcoin, especially if they can find that bitcoin can help their life in financing. Yes, we still need to educate people and spread more about bitcoin in many places to hear and know, and they will want to learn about bitcoin.

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i can see what you mean by not being "user friendly" but in my opinion the problem is mostly with people's laziness rather than with clients being not user friendly. take Electrum for instance, it is a very easy wallet to use, it is safe and is as user friendly as it gets. but the user still has to make some effort, do a little search and learn what bitcoin is, what fees mean and how they are calculated, how to secure their wallet/create backups safely,... this won't take more than 10 minutes but when they don't make this effort and all of these simple things are new to them, they will have a hard time working with such as simple wallet.

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First thing that I look, bitcoin haven't been accepted by young people is we have to look the utilization of bitcoin itself. As we all know bitcoin was created for payment system but since our government hasn't been able to accept payment system using bitcoin then there will not be many people who will know it or using it. Unless, if the government accept bitcoin as a mean of payment mothed then I'll bet there will be many people who use it especially young people.

The second thing, in my country especially just a few young people who have an investment place or their mindset have known that investment is something that should be had/done. Because they can't rely on to make money from their work only, they should have another income for daily life. I think for those who have an investment place they will have or at leasf know what bitcoin is. But as of now, in my country just a few people who have an investment place, most of them just underestimate investing.

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