Bitcoin prices are controlled. Accidentally or intentionally? - page 5.

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Quote from: coinplus on July 10, 2018, 11:13:15 AM

Quote from: asdnguyenthanhtin on June 26, 2018, 05:29:28 AM

When the market falls long term. The market has few new investors, the old investors are no as interested as before. Volume is very low. That makes the profit from exchange are reduced ( Huge whales are big exchages )
To compensate for the declining profit. The whales and the exchanges are linked together to control the margin. Currently, Margin has a large volume (Bitmex no.1 volume). That's why most of the time the bitcoin chart are U-shaped

Control can never be accidental, but obviously intentional. The idea of whales controlling the market is to take advantage of the small fish.

It is more like their territory as they hold the button and they can do whatever they want with it since they have all it takes to do so, based on the position they hold and the wealth they have amassed with it. However, the market itself is volatile and people tend to respond fast to market movements most of the time.

I think bitcoin price are controlled with manipulation from big investors. It is not accidentally. The intention of big investors to make more and more money and they do not think of small investors. They only think of their benefit. They don’t care about the rest of the people. This intention is the big obstacle in the way of bitcoin success.

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Both intentionally and accidentally the price aren't calculated by your half assed money you need to invest large amount of it to tilt the price of BTC we are talking about millions of dollars to move the price and after some change people will be encouraged to invest because of the growth rate it has shown us that was not your real intention yet you manage to influence the people.

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Quote from: 5ensei on July 10, 2018, 02:37:17 PM

There are new players entering all the time. At this point in time last year there was no binance and now they are one of the biggest fish in the sea. Collaborations are therefore unlikely, but they might follow each other and play the same game

That's a nice catch we need to be aware of these kind of greedy investors who manipulate the value of bitcoin based on their profits and we small fishes are the losers at the end of the day.

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Quote from: asdnguyenthanhtin on June 26, 2018, 05:29:28 AM

When the market falls long term. The market has few new investors, the old investors are no as interested as before. Volume is very low. That makes the profit from exchange are reduced ( Huge whales are big exchages )
To compensate for the declining profit. The whales and the exchanges are linked together to control the margin. Currently, Margin has a large volume (Bitmex no.1 volume). That's why most of the time the bitcoin chart are U-shaped

I think bitcoin price fluctuations are partly due to crowds but also because sharks and whales dominate the market, you can see that the crypto market is not regulated and the countries that recognize and control , so it is likely that bitcoin jobs will make the market even more difficult to predict. Therefore, with a market that has no peaks and no bottom, you will only be short-term investment to minimize risk.

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There are new players entering all the time. At this point in time last year there was no binance and now they are one of the biggest fish in the sea. Collaborations are therefore unlikely, but they might follow each other and play the same game

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Quote from: asdnguyenthanhtin on June 26, 2018, 05:29:28 AM

When the market falls long term. The market has few new investors, the old investors are no as interested as before. Volume is very low. That makes the profit from exchange are reduced ( Huge whales are big exchages )
To compensate for the declining profit. The whales and the exchanges are linked together to control the margin. Currently, Margin has a large volume (Bitmex no.1 volume). That's why most of the time the bitcoin chart are U-shaped

Control can never be accidental, but obviously intentional. The idea of whales controlling the market is to take advantage of the small fish.

It is more like their territory as they hold the button and they can do whatever they want with it since they have all it takes to do so, based on the position they hold and the wealth they have amassed with it. However, the market itself is volatile and people tend to respond fast to market movements most of the time.

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If someone says bitcoin price has controlled any Academy or intentionally, I think this news is totally fake because no one can control Bitcoin price. Before I am used typical analysis for Bitcoin price but technical analysis is not perfect so I just follow the chart pattern and candlestick pattern because chart pattern and candlestick pattern are very easy to make Bitcoin price pump and dump. In this world in our Academy can't control Bitcoin price. When people start to invest in cryptocurrency on the time Bitcoin price is growing very fast but when people move in cryptocurrency on the time cryptocurrency is dumping.

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Quote from: asdnguyenthanhtin on June 26, 2018, 05:29:28 AM

When the market falls long term. The market has few new investors, the old investors are no as interested as before. Volume is very low. That makes the profit from exchange are reduced ( Huge whales are big exchages )
To compensate for the declining profit. The whales and the exchanges are linked together to control the margin. Currently, Margin has a large volume (Bitmex no.1 volume). That's why most of the time the bitcoin chart are U-shaped

whenever bitcoin price drops , people who fear or they dont want to loose money , they sell off their coins , In last only few people left who are whales or some other users who are in waiting for long jump. Old investors never drop interest who ever gain profit from bitcoins. they will come back when price will up again + new investors who gain interest from price up + old one = bitcoin price up

when whale enter market they select a particular exchange and price up in total - they are controlled internationally by big investors who want to make big profit by spreading news and many other ways

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why bitcoin graph is always shaped "U" because all of that is not apart from the name Graphic Design or Graphic Design. ... In fact, graphic design is often categorized as a commercial art because ... Efficiency can be fulfilled through the form of the letter "U" and this is the company's efficiency value in determining bitcoin production.

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Quote from: asdnguyenthanhtin on June 26, 2018, 05:29:28 AM

When the market falls long term. The market has few new investors, the old investors are no as interested as before. Volume is very low. That makes the profit from exchange are reduced ( Huge whales are big exchages )
To compensate for the declining profit. The whales and the exchanges are linked together to control the margin. Currently, Margin has a large volume (Bitmex no.1 volume). That's why most of the time the bitcoin chart are U-shaped

They can be controlled both intentionally and accidentally. There are whales that invest huge amounts of money with the intention of increasing the price of Bitcoin. Since they are aware that the price can be controlled by the rate of demand, they just put in a big amount intentionally and when the price goes up, they will withdraw their money with the profit, causing the price to fall again.

There are people with no bad intention, their plan is just to invest a huge amount of money before the price goes up to make better profit, and when they invest, the price will boost immediately.

Yeah on intention matters BTC price can really be held by anyone and that has been proven by so many years when whales try to move and spread some fuds so that the price may fall at their convenient price but for now maybe this one is due to unintentional matters since maybe some of the investors has been afraid of those past news of regulation and certain government interference.

When you are here already for sometime or years where you do able to see on how the market moves then you would really already have the second thoughts or simply you will hesitate to invest due to those government or regulation factors.
When it comes to price manipulation, it do exist since the beginning yet there would always be some people, group,corpo that do have the power or capability on what would they like for the price to move.

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Quote from: bitlind on June 28, 2018, 12:30:40 PM

We all know that song mystic Whales are manipulating the price of Bitcoin, and still bitcoin has a great affect on all of other cryptocurrencies, so basically I can tell the biggest guys with biggest portfolios, can swing the market.

Yes, I guess we have seen that already so many times. It is just a way of accumulating at the dumps when all the weak hands have left the market and taken their losses like that, and then pushing the market up and dumping when all the FOMOs have kicked in again which makes it a rinse and repeat process.

Only until people started investing in a project with good support and real life usage without panicking and believing its future and not because they are looking for ways to get rich quick, before we will keep seeing such manipulations subside and as long as that is in play, the whales will keep having a filled day.

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Quote from: darewaller on June 28, 2018, 05:25:09 AM

Quote from: asdnguyenthanhtin on June 26, 2018, 05:29:28 AM

When the market falls long term. The market has few new investors, the old investors are no as interested as before. Volume is very low. That makes the profit from exchange are reduced ( Huge whales are big exchages )
To compensate for the declining profit. The whales and the exchanges are linked together to control the margin. Currently, Margin has a large volume (Bitmex no.1 volume). That's why most of the time the bitcoin chart are U-shaped

They can be controlled both intentionally and accidentally. There are whales that invest huge amounts of money with the intention of increasing the price of Bitcoin. Since they are aware that the price can be controlled by the rate of demand, they just put in a big amount intentionally and when the price goes up, they will withdraw their money with the profit, causing the price to fall again.

There are people with no bad intention, their plan is just to invest a huge amount of money before the price goes up to make better profit, and when they invest, the price will boost immediately.

For investing huge amount of money, they do that for the sole purpose of getting a lot back from it at the detriment of the weak hands and which makes it easy when indeed the only thing driving the price up and down in speculation.

Assuming there is a life usage and the demand is going up as a result of that, then we would not even be experiencing such moves like this, but for now, it is just what it is and as long as there will always be people who simply want to get rich overnight without understanding what they are investing in, it would make it so easy for them.

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Quote from: zhekinsp on June 29, 2018, 03:54:36 AM

Quote from: asdnguyenthanhtin on June 26, 2018, 05:29:28 AM

When the market falls long term. The market has few new investors, the old investors are no as interested as before. Volume is very low. That makes the profit from exchange are reduced ( Huge whales are big exchages )
To compensate for the declining profit. The whales and the exchanges are linked together to control the margin. Currently, Margin has a large volume (Bitmex no.1 volume). That's why most of the time the bitcoin chart are U-shaped

Most of the time it was intenstionally done by some group of people who called as whales to make profits but how we react to that price drops is important and most of the people will lose their so we need to understand the strategy behind the bitcoin investment and act according to that will make you successful in the crypto investment.

Well there's nothing that we can do about that anyways and i think we're all aware that manipulation is indeed happening regardless if it's intentional or not. If you have enough holdings in your hands that can sway or affect how the market moves, then why won't you take advantage of it? Intentional manipulations are probably happening a lot more than accidental ones

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the margin volume is higher because price is falling it is not controlled by anything! people are deciding to margin trade when there is a big downtrend like this. it is like saying when price was rising from $9k to $20k trading volume was huge so it controlled!!!

as for prices, there is manipulation in the market and nobody can deny that. but how effective this manipulation is on the price is open for debate. I disagree with calling it "control" but it is a powerful force.

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Quote from: asdnguyenthanhtin on June 26, 2018, 05:29:28 AM

When the market falls long term. The market has few new investors, the old investors are no as interested as before. Volume is very low. That makes the profit from exchange are reduced ( Huge whales are big exchages )
To compensate for the declining profit. The whales and the exchanges are linked together to control the margin. Currently, Margin has a large volume (Bitmex no.1 volume). That's why most of the time the bitcoin chart are U-shaped

Most of the time it was intenstionally done by some group of people who called as whales to make profits but how we react to that price drops is important and most of the people will lose their so we need to understand the strategy behind the bitcoin investment and act according to that will make you successful in the crypto investment.

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I know all that, I have decided for myself just to try to be flexible and sensitive for all those things, because I cannot change anything in this terms. Only to be like a stripe on a wind Wink

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Quote from: farosa on June 28, 2018, 05:01:53 PM

Yes, when the price goes back, the whales have a big role, and of course, when the price falls. By the other way, human psychology also plays a role here. Ex : noobs who are not understand what is the trade, they start to sell when they see red.

But you forgot the bad rumours in news because peoples are always watching the breaking news so some regulation and banning issues are comes in any country total market is collapse. So we must avoid these kind news then only we will realise the exact information in Crypto platform.

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Quote from: PROFIT_REVIEW on June 28, 2018, 02:23:36 PM

Most likely on the contrary, the price of bitcoin is controlled only by people who do not know what to do now, because everyone's opinion is divergent. Whales now do absolutely nothing.

If that was the case, this market would be a complete mess (more than it already is). The reason that this market isn't a mess is because of whales calculating their moves instead of impulsively acting like retail traders do.

Whales are just minding their own business and will do what they can to financially benefit from every possible market scenario. Pumps or dumps for them are as profitable, there is no difference.

With futures and other tools that they can use manipulation is more profitable than ever before. This is the reality we have to cope with till regulations are frightening enough to discourage large scale manipulation.

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Quote from: asdnguyenthanhtin on June 26, 2018, 05:29:28 AM

When the market falls long term. The market has few new investors, the old investors are no as interested as before. Volume is very low. That makes the profit from exchange are reduced ( Huge whales are big exchages )
To compensate for the declining profit. The whales and the exchanges are linked together to control the margin. Currently, Margin has a large volume (Bitmex no.1 volume). That's why most of the time the bitcoin chart are U-shaped

Don't jump to the conclusion that old investors aren't as interested as before, if that had been the case, the stock market would have disappeared in 1929, thanks to The Great Depression. Bitcoin prices are determined by the market demand and supply. But for causing false demand and supply, one person places just buys and sells his bitcoin for the same price to make it look like more funds are entering the market when in reality it is not. This is intentional. But when traders try to sell their coins at a profit, they just place different orders at different prices and seeing to that, the demand and supply is somehow influenced to cause the prices to change. This is sort of accidental. There are more cases to these, but you can never properly known if the prices are controlled or not. Another case that comes to my mind is that, when Jamie Dimon spread the fake news about bitcoin back in September, just so that he could buy a lot of bitcoins, you see the intention.

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Yes, when the price goes back, the whales have a big role, and of course, when the price falls. By the other way, human psychology also plays a role here. Ex : noobs who are not understand what is the trade, they start to sell when they see red.

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