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Topic: Bitcoin puzzle transaction ~32 BTC prize to who solves it - page 14. (Read 245815 times)

newbie
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If the creator wasn’t the one who took out Puzzle #66, then it was definitely a puzzle-solving pool that stole the money from its investors. Because there was a pool funded with thousands of dollars for this puzzle, and those investors got nothing, doesn’t it make these puzzle-solving pools look suspicious? Despite thousands of dollars being invested and using hundreds of GPU'S for years, they couldn’t solve even a single puzzle.


The guy who solved puzzle 65 didn't even moved his funds and the solver of the puzzle 120,125&130 claims he solved the highest puzzle within two months also puzzle 66 and 130 solved in the same month. The creator increased the prize to 1000 btc even before the private keys to Puzzle 120 was revealed. Everything looks fishy.


The reason why RetiredCoder is not cashing out his winnings despite investing in hundreds of GPU'S to solve these puzzles (as he claims). It clearly indicates that he has millions of dollars in Bitcoin in multiple different address and he moved BTC from 3Emiw...YSs just for a formality for everyone to think he's cashing out... may be who knows he's someone working with the creator.
newbie
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As far as I understand, no one used slipstream.mara.com.

I sent an e-mail, they didn't respond.

I sent a TX, they didn't process it.

Has anyone really tried this system?

Because if there is no other solution for bots, everyone can stop looking for wallets under 100 bits.

These are some of the methods that AI suggests. What you think, are they good enough to outpace the bots?

2. Use a Decoy (Preemptive Sweep or Dust Address)
This involves sending a decoy transaction before attempting to claim the full amount from the puzzle wallet:

Before broadcasting your real transaction, send a small transaction (dust) from the same address to another wallet.
Bots may detect the small outgoing transaction and focus their resources on trying to extract the private key. By the time they react, your main transaction (with high fees) can already be confirmed.


Also, 66 wallets may have been transferred this way. Because it's interesting that no one's bot was even caught.

Note: By the way, I definitely don't have a bot. Because I would rather burn myself than receive a reward that someone else deserves.
newbie
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Hacking ECC private keys without expending an enormous amount of energy (e.g., using an abnormally large number of GPUs) would require groundbreaking mathematical discoveries, such as entirely new algorithms or computational paradigms (e.g., practical quantum computing).

So you're saying most of the theories we've seen daily on this thread?
I've seen several that already defies physics.
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jr. member
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These are some of the methods that AI suggests. What you think, are they good enough to outpace the bots?


Guys, here, will outsmart ChatGPT. You will be left without any money after the war with the bots.  Cry
newbie
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These are some of the methods that AI suggests. What you think, are they good enough to outpace the bots?

1. Use an Offline Method (Air-gapped System)
Key Idea: Generate the transaction entirely offline and broadcast it directly to the Bitcoin network without exposing your private key or transaction details until the transaction is sent.
Steps:
Use a secure offline wallet (like Electrum, Sparrow, or Bitcoin Core in offline mode) to sign the transaction offline.
Prepare the transaction with the highest possible fee to discourage bots from outbidding you.
Save the signed transaction in raw hex format.
Go to a secure location or use a trusted network (not public Wi-Fi) to broadcast the transaction manually through:
A Bitcoin node you control.
A trusted broadcasting service like Blockstream's transaction broadcaster.
Immediately monitor the transaction confirmation process.
By doing this, the private key never touches an internet-connected system, so bots cannot monitor or reverse-engineer it.

2. Use a Decoy (Preemptive Sweep or Dust Address)
This involves sending a decoy transaction before attempting to claim the full amount from the puzzle wallet:

Before broadcasting your real transaction, send a small transaction (dust) from the same address to another wallet.
Bots may detect the small outgoing transaction and focus their resources on trying to extract the private key. By the time they react, your main transaction (with high fees) can already be confirmed.

3. Use Child Pays for Parent (CPFP)
If you're concerned that bots might try to replace your transaction, you can use a Child Pays for Parent (CPFP) strategy to increase the likelihood of your transaction being confirmed:

Submit a follow-up transaction that uses the unconfirmed output of your original transaction and pays a significantly higher fee.
This incentivizes miners to confirm your original transaction (since it's a dependency of the follow-up transaction).

4. Use Lightning Network
If the puzzle wallet has small amounts of BTC in it (e.g., the 67th puzzle), you might withdraw the funds directly onto the Lightning Network:

Use a Lightning wallet that supports sweep functionality.
Create a Lightning invoice to withdraw the funds from the puzzle address into a channel.
This approach is less visible on the public Bitcoin network, making it harder for bots to track or react.

5. Execute a Replace-by-Fee (RBF) Race
If you suspect bots might outbid your transaction, you can preemptively enable RBF in your own transaction:

Create the initial transaction with RBF enabled and a moderate fee.
Monitor the network for activity.
If you detect interference or suspect bots might try to replace your transaction, immediately broadcast a replacement transaction with a higher fee to outpace them.

6. Minimize Transaction Propagation
When broadcasting your transaction:

Broadcast to a single trusted node first: Use a node you control or a private Bitcoin network peer.
Avoid using public wallets or services that broadcast to many nodes simultaneously (bots monitor these public gateways).

7. Be Prepared to Act Quickly
Bots act fast, so once you've submitted your transaction, you should:

Immediately monitor the mempool using a block explorer like mempool.space.
Be ready to increase the transaction fee if necessary using RBF or a follow-up CPFP transaction.
Best Practices to Avoid Key Extraction
Avoid Reusing Wallets: Once you've claimed the funds, never use the same private key again.
Use Hardware Wallets: A hardware wallet like Ledger or Trezor can protect your private key even during the transaction creation process.
Encrypt Private Keys: If you're storing the key temporarily, use strong encryption.
newbie
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So is it fair to suggest that no one really knows for sure if your funds will get stolen now or not even if someone ends up using the mara slipstream service just because anyone that has solved some of these puzzles in more recent years probably solved them before these bot attacks started happening?   I just spent some time on maras website so that was my only question.  If I manage to solve even just one puzzle though,  I will definitely post here with the results of using mara and what happened to me because that mara service portal might not be immune from bots taking the entire prize too.  Its difficult to be sure.  The description of mara makes it kinda sound like it still has to go through the mempool in some way but you really still think its safe?   

I guess you could always try asking chat gpt for other strategies or security methods to avoid having bitcoin stolen the moment that you transfer it into another wallet.  But I get the feeling that ai  is too dumb to be helpful in coming up with a way to prevent that,  mostly just my attempt at a joke or humor.  Its unfortunate though if no other ways exist to really stop legitimate solvers from just losing their winnings now. 
hero member
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JLP not say how select DP, without knowing how select DP right

From what I understand:

Distinguished points (DP) are selected based on certain properties, such as having a specific number of leading or trailing zeros. The choice depends on what's more efficient for comparison. For a target range of length 2^X, you typically select enough zeros to generate one DP on average every 2^X jumps.

This relies on the birthday paradox probabilities. A lower X means more frequent DPs, but it increases disk usage and processing time due to frequent comparisons. Conversely, a higher X reduces DPs, lowering collision chances between wild and tame kangaroos. The goal is to balance DP frequency to maximize collisions without exhausting resources.

To approach this effectively, you need:

A solid understanding of statistics and probability.
Clear objectives and expected outcomes.
Programming skills in logic and algorithms.
CUDA expertise for GPU optimization.

Disclaimer: I'm still learning about the Kangaroo Algorithm, so some details here might be incomplete or wrong (If this happend please don't roast me just point it and i am going to be glad to learn more about it.)
newbie
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Anyway, if this is mainly about BTC puzzle solving, one would expect that the best candidate who would actually deserve a donation from the puzzle creator is the person who initially solved #66, as he was able to fulfill the original purpose for which the BTC puzzle was created in the first place

I agree with the sentiment, and I wish saatoshi_rising would reward the real solver for his effort.

However, the creator only sees this as an unfortunate consequence of lower bit keys. It seems clear he/she only cares about #160 being solved.

but was robbed through RBF during price cash-out by a bot run by a thief, who, instead of being at least silent, keeping his mouth shut, and giving minimum half BTC back to the original #66 solver, was so insolent that he even dared to mock this person with some, only according to his head, kind of wannabe-wise messages left in BTC addresses. Primitive psychopath.

Now, we can call the owner of the bot a thief but that is simply not logically sound:
{
  1) No one owns Bitcoin. You have a unique number that allows you to move sats from a database entry to another through the network consensus mechanism.

  2) Once the bot got that unique number, he had equal rights to claim the reward.
}

Of course, if you somehow found the prvkey for bc1qa5wkgaew2dkv56kfvj49j0av5nml45x9ek9hz6 -- I would not recommend using this logic and claiming those 69370 BTC  Cheesy
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Invest thousands of dollars? I don't even invest 1 dollar in this puzzle.  i have all i need. And I never said I would find it, but if I do, it will be what I said I will do. Of course it makes sense, considering that they don't want anyone to gain anything if they discover the private key with the Bots doing RBF. So if it's meant to be like this... I think it will be like this too. 5 BTC fee and 1 profit Smiley
but it's genuine for me to think that: Exists many guys here maybe receive is a commission on Bot transactions, or it's all a big network... maybe to rent GPUs to idiots or something similar. Good luck with your transaction if you find a private key. Pay 8 sat fee and good luck Smiley
And i never want ofend anyone, because i beleave is not your BTCS.
There is a big difference between revenge and justice...if there is justice I won't need to take revenge for anything Smiley
When bots they stop stealing what is offered in the puzzle and people get what they are entitled to because they found private keys, that is Justice. Out with the Bots

I'll end by saying this: it's good that Puzzle exists and I can only thank everyone who has taught and continues to teach us good things here and we can learn from them, and that is commendable and I can only thank them.
As for my decisions, I don't need comment.

What profit are you talking about? The profit is zero, and the fee does not matter. In fact, what justice are you talking about? Who are you protesting against? No one stole anything from nobody, less alone from you. If you're investing time in the puzzle, you already lost more than one dollar already, but it was your time, why do you feel like you deserve anything from anyone? No one cares, less alone the creator or the bots.

No one is asking anything from you, so there's nothing to claim. If you are smart, you shouldn't even attempt to solve a puzzle for each you already know there are bots that can snatch the UTXO from right under your nose in a matter of fraction of a second after the pubKey is exposed. I don't, I give zero f***s about any puzzles under 100 bits. So, no reason to complain before-hand, for something you shouldn't even care about, since you should know it's a lost and useless battle before you even load your gun to go to war. This is why I don't understand what you are trying to demonstrate. This is like a chicken and egg problem - you're creating a logical paradox from nothing.

Maybe before someone brags about issues they will most likely (basically 100%) never encounter and have to face with, they should first post here the SHA256 of the public key, to prove they actually solved the puzzle without risking their precious discovery gets stolen. That should be your first step, otherwise you are simply dreaming of the day you actually find the solution, you know, without investing hundreds of thousands of dollars (which is, with almost 100% probability, how much you'd have to waste on compute power to crack #67). I think you underestimate the problem size, versus your random chance of success, which is close to the infinitesimal value if you only invest 1 $.
The puzzles exist to give BTC to whoever finds them, right??? I thought I was stealing something. My weapon in this war is 5 BTC fee Smiley to win 1 BTC or nothing
Maybe you feel harmed with anythink by what I said to be talking like this but i dont ask for you any opinion Smiley I started by saying at the beginning of my posts that if I find a private key I will pay 5 btc fee and try to win 1 and I gave my reasons. I'm not complaining to anyone or asking anyone for anything... and I'll say it again: if I don't win 1, at least someone will lose 5 and the bots is the reason. Now think however you want Smiley
I remember my first computer in 1994..I was much happier than I am now with all these things. Smiley

no resentments ok?  I'm just passing through
best regards

ps: Mods or admin have my permission to delete my posts if they feel harmed by them.

So you have a war chest of 5btc for fees against bots that will just increase the fee to 5.1 btc then what ?
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Invest thousands of dollars? I don't even invest 1 dollar in this puzzle.  i have all i need. And I never said I would find it, but if I do, it will be what I said I will do. Of course it makes sense, considering that they don't want anyone to gain anything if they discover the private key with the Bots doing RBF. So if it's meant to be like this... I think it will be like this too. 5 BTC fee and 1 profit Smiley
but it's genuine for me to think that: Exists many guys here maybe receive is a commission on Bot transactions, or it's all a big network... maybe to rent GPUs to idiots or something similar. Good luck with your transaction if you find a private key. Pay 8 sat fee and good luck Smiley
And i never want ofend anyone, because i beleave is not your BTCS.
There is a big difference between revenge and justice...if there is justice I won't need to take revenge for anything Smiley
When bots they stop stealing what is offered in the puzzle and people get what they are entitled to because they found private keys, that is Justice. Out with the Bots

I'll end by saying this: it's good that Puzzle exists and I can only thank everyone who has taught and continues to teach us good things here and we can learn from them, and that is commendable and I can only thank them.
As for my decisions, I don't need comment.

What profit are you talking about? The profit is zero, and the fee does not matter. In fact, what justice are you talking about? Who are you protesting against? No one stole anything from nobody, less alone from you. If you're investing time in the puzzle, you already lost more than one dollar already, but it was your time, why do you feel like you deserve anything from anyone? No one cares, less alone the creator or the bots.

No one is asking anything from you, so there's nothing to claim. If you are smart, you shouldn't even attempt to solve a puzzle for each you already know there are bots that can snatch the UTXO from right under your nose in a matter of fraction of a second after the pubKey is exposed. I don't, I give zero f***s about any puzzles under 100 bits. So, no reason to complain before-hand, for something you shouldn't even care about, since you should know it's a lost and useless battle before you even load your gun to go to war. This is why I don't understand what you are trying to demonstrate. This is like a chicken and egg problem - you're creating a logical paradox from nothing.

Maybe before someone brags about issues they will most likely (basically 100%) never encounter and have to face with, they should first post here the SHA256 of the public key, to prove they actually solved the puzzle without risking their precious discovery gets stolen. That should be your first step, otherwise you are simply dreaming of the day you actually find the solution, you know, without investing hundreds of thousands of dollars (which is, with almost 100% probability, how much you'd have to waste on compute power to crack #67). I think you underestimate the problem size, versus your random chance of success, which is close to the infinitesimal value if you only invest 1 $.
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What i said makes perfect sense.
Someone here is making fools of people, and when someone finds something, the bots come and stop anyone from being happy.
So if I can't be happy with 1 BTC, the owner of the BTC with his bots loses 5 or something like that.
If this happens, I wouldn't win 1, I would never win the all wallet, because the BTCs from each address are only for calling the workers and nothing more.
its my opinion based on everything I've read here.
The frustration will go to those who always thought that BTC would come back home Smiley
yes they will... come back 1.

It makes a lot of sense what you're saying, and I completely agree with it 100%.

So investing time, energy, and hundreds of thousands of $ just to take some revenge on someone who you'll never know, that doesn't owe you anything, and simply by assuming they would lose 5 BTC because they are the creator and running their own bots and they are better than your non-existent bot and all the other bots, makes sense?

If that's the logic I understand, then what can I say, good luck in your pursuit, it makes total sense.

Oh wait, first you're delusional that you'll be the one solving the next puzzle. Ok...
newbie
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One day I said: if I find it, I'll pay as much as I can in fees up to 5 BTC to win just 1.

If the Bot comes with RBF, it will have to lose more than 5 BTC in fees Smiley won't win 1 but it will lose 5

Bots don't care about the initial fee, whether it's 100 satoshi, 1 BTC, or 5 BTC, so your strategy makes no sense and is just a nice way to throw away BTC out of frustration. They will simply increase the fee up to the maximum possible (100%). Maybe add another input and set a total fee of 7 BTC, to make sure you simply donate everything to miners. They will appreciate your effort, and the only thing you get in return is that your TX is mined.
What i said makes perfect sense.
Someone here is making fools of people, and when someone finds something, the bots come and stop anyone from being happy.
So if I can't be happy with 1 BTC, the owner of the BTC with his bots loses 5 or something like that.
If this happens, I wouldn't win 1, I would never win the all wallet, because the BTCs from each address are only for calling the workers and nothing more.
its my opinion based on everything I've read here.
The frustration will go to those who always thought that BTC would come back home Smiley
yes they will... come back 1.
I no longer have anything and I won't donate anything because I don't have anything.
But with this, the owner of the BTCs from these puzzles will donate in Fee, as it would never be for everyone who has worked on this for many years and never won anything and those who won later lost to the famous bots. I'm 54 years old and nothing frustrates me anymore my friend Smiley its only my opinion.
But I keep saying: I will try to earn just 1 BTC out of the 6 and if I miraculously achieve this I will be very happy with 1 BTC.
A Hug from Portugal Smiley

It makes a lot of sense what you're saying, and I completely agree with it 100%.
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One day I said: if I find it, I'll pay as much as I can in fees up to 5 BTC to win just 1.

If the Bot comes with RBF, it will have to lose more than 5 BTC in fees Smiley won't win 1 but it will lose 5

Bots don't care about the initial fee, whether it's 100 satoshi, 1 BTC, or 5 BTC, so your strategy makes no sense and is just a nice way to throw away BTC out of frustration. They will simply increase the fee up to the maximum possible (100%). Maybe add another input and set a total fee of 7 BTC, to make sure you simply donate everything to miners. They will appreciate your effort, and the only thing you get in return is that your TX is mined.
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Mara,Always prompt like this:Unable to connect to Slipstream server. Please try again in 60 seconds.
Can the submission be successful? I have doubts about its security.
newbie
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Hello Guys,

Does anyone have experience with Mara, and has anyone used it?
newbie
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Of course, all developers and contributors who, in a positive way, added to BTC puzzle-solving approaches deserve donations. That is without any doubts or questions. I actually would consider it something obvious and completely normal that the one who solves the puzzle would donate some BTC also to other people, but I understand people are of various natures and kinds.

Anyway, if this is mainly about BTC puzzle solving, one would expect that the best candidate who would actually deserve a donation from the puzzle creator is the person who initially solved #66, as he was able to fulfill the original purpose for which the BTC puzzle was created in the first place but was robbed through RBF during price cash-out by a bot run by a thief, who, instead of being at least silent, keeping his mouth shut, and giving minimum half BTC back to the original #66 solver, was so insolent that he even dared to mock this person with some, only according to his head, kind of wannabe-wise messages left in BTC addresses. Primitive psychopath.

Yes, that RBF act was theft. There is no doubt, morally as well as legally.

Taking price from BTC puzzle upon finding the right solution based on skills and effort is completely legal, as that is what the puzzle was created for, and it is done with the well-informed consent of the puzzle creator, owner of BTC stored in puzzle addresses, but using RBF to replace outgoing mempool transaction during the cashing-out of BTC puzzle price is robbery. You can try to justify it and paint it as pink in whatever ways you want. It is a criminal act, nothing else.

The fact that the original #66 solver made the mistake of going through the public mempool doesn’t change a thing about it.
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the right steps towerds the goal
Blah Blah Blah...
Before you open your mouth, spew nonsense and demanding handouts, understand one thing: you have zero right to compare yourself to someone who grinds. let me educate you on what real effort looks like.

The people who actually deserve recognition in this space are those who’ve spent years pushing boundaries, testing limits, and challenging Bitcoin’s security—not entitled freeloaders like you.

Here’s a list of real strugglers, the ones who’ve poured their sweat and intellect into cracking these puzzles:
JeanLucPons, BurtW, MrFreeDragon, Homeless_PhD, albert0bsd, PawGo, WanderingPhilosopher, NotATether, arulbero, zielar, Andzhig, pikachunakapika, brainless, etar, ktimesg, mcdouglasx, nomachine, iceland2k14 and few more.
These individuals have shown relentless determination, and while some of them have been rewarded for their breakthroughs, many are still out there grinding with everything they’ve got.

To the creator of these puzzles:
Now is the perfect time to reignite the energy of this incredible team. With Bitcoin reaching $100K and marking an all-time high, there couldn’t be a better moment to strengthen this community by offering financial support to these Defenders of Bitcoin. Yes, defenders—because every attempt they make, every method they try, proves again and again that Bitcoin’s security is rock solid and unbreakable.

Their efforts not only highlight Bitcoin’s resilience but also educate the world about its unmatched strength. Rewarding these brilliant minds would not only honor their contributions but also inspire the next generation to uphold Bitcoin as the impenetrable fortress it is.

We love Satoshi  Kiss ......

So, to anyone sitting around whining and asking for something without putting in the work: look at these names, look at their dedication, and learn what real effort means. Until then, keep your entitlement to yourself.
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Just share from noob Grin. Ecc just processing in cyclic only from even Pvkey/Pubkey. We have two option in doubling (0) or doubling part of addition (1), if N number can derived to pubkey we can make sure which one is odd and even and continue derived bit by bit to define Pvkey..but until now this is impossible because range must be N-1 that why higher Pvkey must be substract with N, maybe waiting man with Einstain brain to manipulating curve and found the backdoor.
Thank for Albert0bsd for the ecctools

In ECC, private keys are multiplied by a generator point on the curve to produce public keys. This process is computationally "easy," akin to accelerating an object. However, reversing the operation to retrieve the private key (the discrete logarithm problem) is computationally infeasible, comparable to requiring infinite energy to break the speed of light. Just as there is no known physical mechanism to break the light-speed barrier without rewriting the laws of physics, there is no known mathematical "backdoor" to efficiently solve the discrete logarithm problem on elliptic curves without violating fundamental number-theoretic assumptions. Hacking ECC private keys without expending an enormous amount of energy (e.g., using an abnormally large number of GPUs) would require groundbreaking mathematical discoveries, such as entirely new algorithms or computational paradigms (e.g., practical quantum computing).
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THE GUY WITH 7 THOUSAND DOLLARS IN BTC STILL HAS THE COMMISSION TO MAKE A TEXT TO MAKE MONEY, THANK YOU I DON'T KNOW THIS KIND OF WORM!
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