Topic: bitcoin-trader.biz - page 26. (Read 203880 times)

   I have joined back in summer with 4K (earned in 6 months of mining LTC / VTC with 4 computer rigs, they've cost me 10K, now I am full of R9290x video cards and can't even sell them at half price) and earned (by totally reinvesting profit) around 8.2 K until last week. Also have put my 1st withdrawal for the initial 4K last Friday since that was my ROI day.
   Most of my anger it due the fact that it all collapsed on the ROI day ... what are the odds of that. Feel like the universe is against me now, took tomorrow day off, need to recover mentally.

If the bankruptcy is actually filed can we dispute it and request it to be dismissed at the discharge hearing based on a fraudulent conveyance?

ElectricSavant

Put them online.

No no, you see they can't do that. Because..um......the company would be inundated with calls and emails...ya...

>_>
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Hey y'all!
I was reading this forum throughout my whole BT-experience to keep track of the public opinion and be prepared for whatever was coming. I was in for only a few hundred euro's, 'cause I wanted to see how long it would last.
The funny thing is, though, that I was making a Dutch translation of the website and they even payed me $300 in advance. I was nearly finished and have spent some real effort in it, so I am pretty disappointed with this outcome. I had a lot of e-mail contact with 'John Carley' as well, if this will ever come in handy for 'chasing the criminals' as stated above, I would be pleased to help.
Also, this means I have HTML-files of all the non-member-areas of the website. So I still have their Terms and so on. If this ever might come in handy, just let me know.

BTW, the timing of this may have partially been caused by my first "withdrawal request"... I had consistently rolled over my earnings back into shares. The Saturday before the stoppage is when I put in for my first Bitcoin withdrawal. I was really just testing it more than anything. The timing was interesting. If I really was the biggest investor/gambler, and "John Carley" thought I was done investing and ready to start withdrawing, then it could have been a bugout trigger for him.  

Just curious, any other big investors in here?

If you want to prove the scam, just ask who the reputable company was that was doing the audit. In the fantasy world where this company actually exists, surely they would have something to say on this.

It doesn't.   Many deluded people will buy his Bullshit story.   I am just posting that to prove that it is just that.   BT never had the money it was a HYIP from the Get-go.  

Nobody should ever believe a "We've been hacked and our Bitcoin stolen" story unless it can be show on the blockchain..   It discredits bitcoin and it is slanderous.    If bitcoin got stolen it should be provable.  Obvoiusly we cannot prove who the hacker is - but we can prove it was hacked or alternatively it was not hacked and this story is BS..

Would that friend be from Oklahoma?
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ROFL! and how does Mr. Carley prove the transaction isn't to his wallet? I, myself, have about 15 wallet addresses; some cloud, some client, and two paper....in a security deposit box.

You beat a friend of mine. Only $36k.
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Would that friend be from Oklahoma?

You beat a friend of mine. Only $36k.

I guess I should join this discussion since I am possibly the biggest loser of all of you on this deal... My balance was about $37,000. I had $31,588 that I have actually invested (lost). I knew the risk going in and this is certainly not going to bankrupt me as I used "house money" from my previous Bitcoin gains to play with here. I will be monitoring this forum and will be willing to put in my share if we end up having to hire investigators/attorneys/knee breakers. I am a big fan of punishing criminals... Wouldn't mind recovering some money to if that ends up being possible.

Remember when bitcoin services were "hacked" left and right and they closed down and returned 50% of the coins? So nice of the BT guys to up that to 75%

Let me load up my only single most valuable wallet on a hot machine and check the balance lol

Can anyone verify any of this? : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9223603

Perhaps something can be done if we locate them.

And if that hack happend for real then this was a planned inside job from Mr. Carley.
As already told, there is no reason to store all the money in a wallet for auditing.

The whole story is just bullshit.

Dear Mr Carley..

That is a very sad story.   Some would find it unbelievable, but luck for you, the Blockchain never lies.   Can you please provide us the transaction ID's in which the theft took place?  Also can you provide the digital signature signed by the wallets from which the funds where taken?  You should be familiar with the process from your proof of solvency.

If you provide us with that, we do understand that sometimes shit happens.   There ought to be no reason for you to refuse this request if the story is legit..

Thanks,

Your favorite customer.

So frustrating ......luckily I only had about 1 Btc left on the site, but this was due to finish on Saturday!
I withdrew $118 dollars in September, so only about a $300 loss but still a bit of a kick to the teeth.

To be honest I probably would have reinvested, but very frustrating as I was so close to a possible withdraw.

Feel very sorry for all of you guys who stand to lose a lot more than me....one of my clients at work (who recommended the site!) had £20,000 invested so i'm hoping that he managed to diversify or withdraw!!

I'm feeling slightly less bitter as I have been lucky with my multi-arbitrage account (up 0.5Btc) so overall I am probably only slightly down in fiat terms.

Any one have any recommendations for an alternative site that offers a similar service but without the risk of a scam?!?!

This was just posted on the Bitcoin Trader Customers Association Facebook:

Disclaimer: All this information is public record. Any suggested links are not accusations. This is just a collection of information relating to Bitcoin Trader (BT).


Bitcoin Trader Holdings Inc.

“Bitcoin Trader Holding Inc. (trading as Bitcoin Trader) is a limited liability company duly incorporated under the laws of the Republic of Panama, having its registered office of business at Calle 53, Marbella, Av José de la Cruz Herrera, Panama and their principal place of business in London, United Kingdom.


------------------------------Company Info--------------------------------------------------------

Registered in Panama:

Info taken from Panamanian website:
No. de Ficha / Sheer No: 840485
No. documento / Document No: 2648948
No. de Escritura / Deed Number?: 20566

Agente Residente / Resident Agent: Nancy Orantes


Presidente / President: John Carley
Tesorero / Treasurer: Edgar De La Rosa
Secretario / Secretary: Edgar De la Rosa

Nombre de los Directores / Name of Directors:
John Carley
Edgar De La Rosa
Carlos Echeverria

Nombre de los Suscriptores / Name of Subscribers:
Nancy Orantes
Mariana Ortega

Note: A quick Google search e.g. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22Edgar+de+la+Rosa%22+%22Carlos+Echeverria%22 finds Edgar and Carlos registered on a few companies. I a guessing Bitcoin Trader (BT) used a incorperation service to spin up BT and these are proxies?
e.g. http://ohuiginn.net/panama/company/id/662958
e.g. http://ohuiginn.net/panama/company/id/647907
e.g. http://ohuiginn.net/panama/person/EDGAR%20DE%20LA%20ROSA


------------------------------Hosting Information---------------------------------------------------


bitcoin-trader.biz is behind CloudFlare San Jose with an IP of: 198.41.190.30
www redirects to @
support. points to 198.41.186.202. A CF Netherlands IP. https redirects to @
email. as above but redirects to mailgun.com

The real IP of bitcoin-trader: 184.95.57.154
This IP resolved to: bitcoinwebhosting.net as secure/anonymous BTC accepting company.
I understand bitcoinwebhosting.net to use servers from Secured Servers LLC:

$ curl ipinfo.io/184.95.57.154
{
    "ip": "184.95.57.154",
    "hostname": "No Hostname",
    "city": "Tempe",
    "region": "Arizona",
    "country": "US",
    "loc": "33.4357,-111.9171",
    "org": "AS20454 SECURED SERVERS LLC",
    "postal": "85281"
}


------------------------------Email Info---------------------------------------------------

Outbound email is via mailgun.com




------------------------------Account Info -------------------------------------------------

Some details have been removed but the full info can be provided. This is from a wiretransfer cashout request.

WIRE TYPE:WIRE IN DATE: xxxxxx TIME:xxxx ET TRN:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx SEQ:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/xxxxxx ORIG:GLOBAL TRANSACTION SERVIC ID:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx SND BK:WELLS FARGO NY INTL ID:XXXXX PMT DET:xxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx - DATACLUB S.A.

I am no expert on reading these but it looks like:

Sending Bank: Wells Fargo
Sending Account: DATACLUB S.A.



------------------------------DataClub S.A.-------------------------------------------------

DataClub S.A.
99 Albert Street,
Beliza City
BELIZE
phone:   +34634908981
fax:  +34964784906
e-mail:  info (at) dataclub (dot) biz
Registration number: 93456


I understand that the owner is a Martin Teppor
https://www.facebook.com/martin.teppor


Fiat Funds when through their account to clients/customers? Is Martin the sysadmin? or "John".



While looking into DataClub IPs, I came across the following:

http://www.ipillion.com/ip/46.183.217.11

person: Sergejs Kurcanovs
address: Maskavas iela 68, Riga, Latvija
phone: +371 67881020
nic-hdl: SK5580-RIPE
mnt-by: DATACLUB-MNT
source: RIPE # Filtered

https://defense.lv/2013/10/09/viens-no-silk-road-serveriem-ticis-uzturets-latvija/
http://lv.linkedin.com/pub/sergejs-kurcanovs/73/77b/5b5
http://reversewhois.domaintools.com/sergejs-kurcanovs


------------------------------Other Info-------------------------------------------------

Email address: [email protected]

They have hardware orders at Alpha-T

Sysadmin might work for a Swedish IT company as his main job Their servers with Telia Sonera. Their mining equipment is supposidly hosted there as well.